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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 406: At the Stroke of Mitchnight
Thorn
08/01/23 9:02:52 PM
#40:


More of a deeper dive on the indictment.

Trump is indicted on four criminal counts:

Conspiracy to Defraud the United States
Conspiracy to Obstruct an Official Proceeding
Obstruction of and Attempt to Obstruct an Official Proceeding
Conspiracy Against Rights

There are six unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators. By context I think I've seen NBC ID 5 of them: Giuliani, Eastman, Powell, Jeffrey Clark, and Kenneth Chesebro

Among the manner and means Trump is accused here included the conspiracy to send fraudulent elector slates to Congress, trying to get Pence to overturn it, and after Pence refused and the insurrection began - trying to use the chaos to pressure members of Congress to delay resuming the session to certify the election.

The indictment also has loads of evidence to prove Trump was knowingly lying about the election, demonstrating that many of the times he lied about fraud were made after his political allies told him it was bullshit.

This excerpt is basically the "is you taking notes on a criminal conspiracy?" meme:

The Indictment states...
The next day, on December 8, Co-Conspirator 5 called the Arizona attorney on Co-Conspirator 6's list. In an email after the call, the Arizona attorney recounted his conversation with Co-Conspirator 5 as follows:

"I just talked to the gentleman who did that memo, [Co-Conspirator 5]. His idea is basically that all of us (GA, WI, AZ, PA, etc.) have our electors send in their votes (even though the votes aren't legal under federal law -- because they're not signed by the Governor); so that members of Congress can fight about whether they should be counted on January 6th. (They could potentially argue that they're not bound by federal law because they're Congress and make the law, etc.) Kind of wild/creative -- I'm happy to discuss. My comment to him was that I guess there's no harm in it, (legally at least) -- i.e. we would be sending in 'fake' electoral votes to Pence so that 'someone' in Congress can make an objection when they start counting votes, and start arguing that the 'fake' votes should be counted."

And then this, where they just openly flirt with using the military to remain in power and suppress any opposition (though LotM's tweet has it too):

The Indictment states...
On the afternoon of January 3, Co-Conspirator 4 spoke with a Deputy White House Counsel. The previous month, the Deputy White House Counsel had informed the defendant that "there is no world, there is no option in which you do not leave the White House [o]n January 20th." Now, the same Deputy White House Counsel tried to dissuade Co-Conspirator 4 from assuming the role of Acting Attorney General. The Deputy White House Counsel reiterated to Co-Conspirator 4 that there had not been outcome-determinative fraud in the election and that if the Defendant remained in office nonetheless, there would be "riots in every major city in the United States." Co-Conspirator 4 responded, "Well, [Deputy White House Counsel], that's why there's an Insurrection Act."

There's more too (including a quote by a Trump Campaign Advisor stating, "it's tough to own any of this when it's all just conspiracy shit beamed down from the mothership."), it's a fascinating read.

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