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Shadow_Don posted...

I think its reasonable to not trust hamas or their changes to their charter when it explicitly laid out a mission of genocide like 6 years ago.

And what tack should we take when the moderating, reformist influence on the party is saying, "We're trying to change shit here, and we don't hold to this as our standard anymore?"

There has to be more that can be done, and in good faith, than say, "Fuck you. You didn't change long enough ago for it to count, so we're just going to keep you guys on lockdown as our oppressed minority. Just can't trust you, dudes. You understand," and let Israel continue to be Israel in the way it behaves toward them.

Your suggestion is to punish a (any!) turn for the better because it was too recent. How are you ever going to deal with them if any change is too soon to trust, because any change is going to <checks watch> come sooner than 8 years ago?

EDIT:

The people with the most power in this conflict (Israel) have to come to the table first and act in good faith for any efforts at peace to work. That's how it always works. Because if the people who don't have power lay down their guns, the people who have power are no longer incentivized to deal with them.

Works for apartheid states and all the way down to unions and businesses.

They (Israel) have to step up and say, "You said you're changing. Let's accept that and propose x, y, and z." And they're not. They're doubling down. Bibi, anyway.