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TopicIs Putin really a bad guy?
Dash_Harber
07/18/18 4:22:18 AM
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solosnake posted...
no idea about any of the murdering, and even if true is it even really him? Or is it the intelligence agencies? Ours do the same things?


Well, literally all the people that die are personal critics of him, so that should be the warning sign for you right there.

Here is a list of ten of the more popular ones;
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/03/23/here-are-ten-critics-of-vladimir-putin-who-died-violently-or-in-suspicious-ways

solosnake posted...

Crimea I view as a positive and a sign of strength. No way they can let their only navy slip away to the west when they are this openly hostile towards russia. Not to mention the people overwhelmingly voted to become part of russia.


Firstly, if it's such a morally righteous sign of strength, why do they deny it? Second, there have been concerns of election tampering from the beginning. More importantly, the Ukrainian courts openly deemed the referendum illegal.

Also, you can't just go around hacking pieces of other countries off because it's convenient for you.

solosnake posted...
The airplane was a mistake, honestly no planes should be flying over syria, period.


Yeah, totally not their fault, what with all the civilian planes that get shot down everyday accidentally by other superpowers, right? /s

solosnake posted...
the ties to the russian underground thing sounds like people connecting bush family to nazis. Fscinating conspiracy but nothing more


I don't know, reputable sources have written about it way better than I could explain it;
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/23/how-organised-crime-took-over-russia-vory-super-mafia

solosnake posted...
havent heard of criminalizing homosexuality, but if thats true i doubt it was putin that made that a practice, likelt part of russia for a long time sadly. Hopefully they can change


It's technically not criminalized, fair enough. The law is actually against a ban on the 'propaganda of pedophilia and homosexuality', which is not really defined and basically means that homosexual people can be persecuted at the state's discretion. There is more to unpack here, though;

First, you seem to be taking the easy way out of saying, "he didn't do it personally" repeatedly. He signed off on the law. It was not out of his control.

Second, gay marriages are illegal there, full stop.

Third, we actually have examples of the government using this to round up and torture gay men in Chechyna in 2017.

But really, there is more than enough evidence here to, at the very least, be incredibly suspicious of Putin and his government. Either way, your only defense seems to be "oh, I never heard about that", "he says he didn't do it", or "that wasn't him, directly". If it's the latter, then you are saying he is a helpless patsy, which is just as dangerous to befriend.
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