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Topic	Who is your favorite Avenger?
SpeedDemon20 05/27/19 2:31:50 AM #15:	mooreandrew58 posted... You never know how you are going react until it actually happens he learned to live with the thought of not saving Bucky though so when he gave the advice he wasnt being hypocritical. The Bucky thing weirds me out because you don't really see much of their friendship in the first movie and when Bucky ~~falls off the train and supposedly dies~~, you don't really get much of a reaction to it from Steve. And then every movie afterwards comes and he has such a strong bond with Bucky, and I never feel the justification. mooreandrew58 posted... If you mean naive as in too quick to trust someone then sure. Id take his side anyway over mr I think im better than everybody tony stark though. With Tony, he starts out as a true asshole who thinks he has everything figured out. Make a few new weapons every year, sell to the government for money, do whatever you want, etc. Iron Man 1 happens, and he totally changes and you can understand why. Like you said though, he retains the arrogance even after his change. That stays true to his character. The arrogance remains, but it's directed in his new path (i.e.: instead of being an arrogant rich asshole who sells weapons, he's an arrogant rich asshole trying to keep the world safe). The part that makes me think Captain America is naive is that he is very focused on how things currently are. Like he never seems to think in terms of the long game (but that might be due to his skillset really). I'm sure you know this point because everyone brings it up: In Age of Ultron when Tony asks how Steve plans to deal with the "endgame," he replies "Together." That's not a plan! It's incredibly vague. If he had brought up how the suits were similar to Nick Fury's helicarriers all around the world and offered another alternative, I'd be much happier with him (also, I really hate how depowered Captain America is in Avengers and Age of Ultron. Joss Whedon does not know what to do with Captain America. Watch either of those and then watch Winter Soldier. There's a part in Winter Soldier where he ~~kicks a soldier~~. The OOMPH from that was so satisfying to see.). mooreandrew58 posted... Agree to disagree though. Ive just seen people think he was a pos just for being a patriotic person though and was hoping that wasnt the case. Nah, I'm okay with that. It's a very basic and understandable emotion to have. I remember seeing him in the Spider-Man animated series when I was younger. He was very boring. They really gave him a lot of character and nuance in the movies. Honestly, I'd rather have a character I dislike than a boring and flat character. In fact, characters who you dislike are very important to storytelling, but that's another topic altogether. --- http://orig14.deviantart.net/59f8/f/2009/047/4/9/rylai_crestfall_by_eyue.jpg Crystal Maiden... gal could break your heart in a thousand pieces. -Rucks <cite>SpeedDemon20 posted [p:922420071] in Who is you... [t:77740370]...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote>You never know how you are going react until it actually happens he learned to live with the thought of not saving Bucky though so when he gave the advice he wasnt being hypocritical.</quote> The Bucky thing weirds me out because you don't really see much of their friendship in the first movie and when Bucky falls off the train and supposedly dies, you don't really get much of a reaction to it from Steve. And then every movie afterwards comes and he has such a strong bond with Bucky, and I never feel the justification. <cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote>If you mean naive as in too quick to trust someone then sure. Id take his side anyway over mr I think im better than everybody tony stark though. </quote> With Tony, he starts out as a true asshole who thinks he has everything figured out. Make a few new weapons every year, sell to the government for money, do whatever you want, etc. Iron Man 1 happens, and he totally changes and you can understand why. Like you said though, he retains the arrogance even after his change. That stays true to his character. The arrogance remains, but it's directed in his new path (i.e.: instead of being an arrogant rich asshole who sells weapons, he's an arrogant rich asshole trying to keep the world safe). The part that makes me think Captain America is naive is that he is very focused on how things currently are. Like he never seems to think in terms of the long game (but that might be due to his skillset really). I'm sure you know this point because everyone brings it up: In Age of Ultron when Tony asks how Steve plans to deal with the "endgame," he replies "Together." That's not a plan! It's incredibly vague. If he had brought up how the suits were similar to Nick Fury's helicarriers all around the world and offered another alternative, I'd be much happier with him (also, I really hate how depowered Captain America is in Avengers and Age of Ultron. Joss Whedon does not know what to do with Captain America. Watch either of those and then watch Winter Soldier. There's a part in Winter Soldier where he kicks a soldier. The OOMPH from that was so satisfying to see.). <cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote>Agree to disagree though. Ive just seen people think he was a pos just for being a patriotic person though and was hoping that wasnt the case. </quote> Nah, I'm okay with that. It's a very basic and understandable emotion to have. I remember seeing him in the Spider-Man animated series when I was younger. He was very boring. They really gave him a lot of character and nuance in the movies. Honestly, I'd rather have a character I dislike than a boring and flat character. In fact, characters who you dislike are very important to storytelling, but that's another topic altogether. --- http://orig14.deviantart.net/59f8/f/2009/047/4/9/rylai_crestfall_by_eyue.jpg Crystal Maiden... gal could break your heart in a thousand pieces. -Rucks</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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