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Topic	So illegal immigrants literally get better healthcare than actual citizens now.
Lirishae 07/11/19 9:58:21 PM #85:	GrimCyclone posted... There's no point in even arguing the point with someone who is going to agree with state-funded ANYTHING that is brought to the table because it makes them emotional. It's very curious how the right only seems to care about spending when it comes to paying for things when it's for the poor or middle class. If it's about forking over taxpayer dollars to feed the military industrial complex, giving tax breaks to the rich, or subsidies to corporations, the right puts it all on a credit card without a second thought. GrimCyclone posted... You're basically telling everyone: look, either agree with me or you're a "bad person". Nevermind the elements of a "good or bad person" are defined uniquely around the world. But oh no! These people right here are the straight up arbiters of truth and justice for all. They just know. They don't even need a god! They learned this s* from the ivory towers of the public education system and youtube videos! Do you consider yourself a Christian, by any chance? If so, please explain to me how the man who told his followers to sell all their possessions and give the money to the poor would be against government spending to help the poor. Also please explain to me why you have so little faith in your God that you believe following His commandments to help the poor will screw the country over. If not a Christian, please explain to me why turning a blind eye to cold, hungry, traumatized children in detention camps is a legitimate moral choice. No deflection or denial please. GrimCyclone posted... I mean goddam... fine.... just fing take it all. And when it all comes crumbling down and your would-be utopia becomes a dystopian hellhole because life isn't anywhere near the ballpark of being fair or perfect, what will you do? Raise your head to the sky and scream and snarl at the god you dont even believe in? As darkknight posted earlier, these "socialist" countries are actually doing quite well for themselves. You are being sold a bill of goods by the rich and powerful controlling the system, who don't want you to realize that you are being hosed. They are masters of misdirection, teaching you to be afraid of poor brown people who have no voice and no power in this country, so that you won't go after them, the people who really do have the power to take your stuff away. GrimCyclone posted... It's never on you though, is it? Always someone else's responsibility to make your life ideal. Depending on what that consists of at any given time. If you don't realize that people can end up in shitty circumstances through no fault of your own, you are either naive or ignorant. Pick one. GrimCyclone posted... So you know what? Think about it like this. No matter who comes to power, no matter how socialistic this nation becomes, you are going to have to get up every day and live. There's no way around that. No one is going to hold your hand and if you want something, you're going to have to go earn it. At least in your lifetimes, nothing is going to be free. Maybe that's how you live, but most of us have friends and family, and we don't begrudge someone down on their luck getting help when they need it. GrimCyclone posted... So debate all you want. The truth remains the same regardless of what happens in politics. I'd rather DIE than take one penny from a man willing do to something I wasn't. And more than that, I'd gladly die defending his freedom to do so. Have you ever been homeless? Struggled to afford food, or life-saving medication? If you haven't, you're judging from a position where you have NO IDEA what it's like. --- "Little scratches on people's hearts will be gone if they pat them from behind, but the humans don't know that." -Li'l Cactus 3DS FC: 0619-3174-3155 <cite>Lirishae posted [p:924567233] in So illegal... [t:77854702]...</cite> <quote><cite>GrimCyclone posted...</cite> <quote>There's no point in even arguing the point with someone who is going to agree with state-funded ANYTHING that is brought to the table because it makes them emotional.</quote> It's very curious how the right only seems to care about spending when it comes to paying for things when it's for the poor or middle class. If it's about forking over taxpayer dollars to feed the military industrial complex, giving tax breaks to the rich, or subsidies to corporations, the right puts it all on a credit card without a second thought. <cite>GrimCyclone posted...</cite> <quote>You're basically telling everyone: look, either agree with me or you're a "bad person". Nevermind the elements of a "good or bad person" are defined uniquely around the world. But oh no! These people right here are the straight up arbiters of truth and justice for all. They just know. They don't even need a god! They learned this s from the ivory towers of the public education system and youtube videos!</quote> Do you consider yourself a Christian, by any chance? If so, please explain to me how the man who told his followers to sell all their possessions and give the money to the poor would be against government spending to help the poor. Also please explain to me why you have so little faith in your God that you believe following His commandments to help the poor will screw the country over. If not a Christian, please explain to me why turning a blind eye to cold, hungry, traumatized children in detention camps is a legitimate moral choice. No deflection or denial please. <cite>GrimCyclone posted...</cite> <quote>I mean goddam... fine.... just f*ing take it all. And when it all comes crumbling down and your would-be utopia becomes a dystopian hellhole because life isn't anywhere near the ballpark of being fair or perfect, what will you do? Raise your head to the sky and scream and snarl at the god you dont even believe in?</quote> As darkknight posted earlier, these "socialist" countries are actually doing quite well for themselves. You are being sold a bill of goods by the rich and powerful controlling the system, who don't want you to realize that you are being hosed. They are masters of misdirection, teaching you to be afraid of poor brown people who have no voice and no power in this country, so that you won't go after them, the people who really do have the power to take your stuff away. <cite>GrimCyclone posted...</cite> <quote>It's never on you though, is it? Always someone else's responsibility to make your life ideal. Depending on what that consists of at any given time.</quote> If you don't realize that people can end up in shitty circumstances through no fault of your own, you are either naive or ignorant. Pick one. <cite>GrimCyclone posted...</cite> <quote>So you know what? Think about it like this. No matter who comes to power, no matter how socialistic this nation becomes, you are going to have to get up every day and live. There's no way around that. No one is going to hold your hand and if you want something, you're going to have to go earn it. At least in your lifetimes, nothing is going to be free.</quote> Maybe that's how you live, but most of us have friends and family, and we don't begrudge someone down on their luck getting help when they need it. <cite>GrimCyclone posted...</cite> <quote>So debate all you want. The truth remains the same regardless of what happens in politics. I'd rather DIE than take one penny from a man willing do to something I wasn't. And more than that, I'd gladly die defending his freedom to do so. </quote> Have you ever been homeless? Struggled to afford food, or life-saving medication? If you haven't, you're judging from a position where you have NO IDEA what it's like. --- "Little scratches on people's hearts will be gone if they pat them from behind, but the humans don't know that." -Li'l Cactus 3DS FC: 0619-3174-3155</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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