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GrimCyclone posted...

There's no point in even arguing the point with someone who is going to agree with state-funded ANYTHING that is brought to the table because it makes them emotional.

So far the only "emotional" people I see in this topic are the right-wingers working themselves into a lather over a policy that does not affect them in any way (pretty sure none of the usual suspects sounding off in this topic are Californians). I see people putting forward fact-based arguments for why it's to everyone's advantage to let residents have health care rather than letting them clog up the emergency system (sidling them with bills that most won't be able to pay anyways and which, therefore, will need to be paid for by taxpayers), as well as debunking several myths that have been floated in this topic, but the "emotional" people are the ones stomping their feet and screaming "It's just NOT FAIR that they get to have healthcare!!!"

GrimCyclone posted...

You're basically telling everyone: look, either agree with me or you're a "bad person".

So are you saying you would never call anyone else a bad person? Not even objectively bad people like, say, serial killers?

Because if not, you're acknowledging that there are points where calling someone else a bad person is justified, you're just engaging in the (subjective) debate of what constitutes a bad person.

GrimCyclone posted...

These people right here are the straight up arbiters of truth and justice for all. They just know. They don't even need a god! They learned this shit from the ivory towers of the public education system and youtube videos!

You act like us left-wing Christians don't exist. Zechariah 7:10 comes to mind - "Do not oppress the widow or the fatherless, the foreigner or the poor. Do not plot evil against each other."

(Jesus was a proto-socialist)

GrimCyclone posted...

It's never on you though, is it? Always someone else's responsibility to make your life ideal.

To the contrary, my life is just great, thanks, and I'm pretty sure most of the people in this topic aren't illegal immigrants asking for healthcare. You're mistaking who is who in here - me, personally, I don't need health insurance; I'm already insured. I'm in favour of helping others, mostly because I'd like to think that, if circumstances were different and the shoe were on the other foot, someone would be willing to help me. "Love thy neighbour", after all.

And don't pretend like you haven't benefited from the goodwill of society. I'm pretty sure if you hadn't, I'd have heard about it. I think that you were born in a building built and staffed by other people, went to school and was taught by other people, drove on roads built and policed and paid for by other people, in a country whose laws were enforced and whose borders were defended by other people, all paid for by society in general.

We are all social creatures - understand that and live in peace.

GrimCyclone posted...

Think about it like this. No matter who comes to power, no matter how socialistic this nation becomes, you are going to have to get up every day and live.

Cool, sounds good to me.

GrimCyclone posted...

The truth remains the same regardless of what happens in politics. I'd rather DIE than take one penny from a man willing do to something I wasn't. And more than that, I'd gladly die defending his freedom to do so.

Fortunately, you don't have to do either of those things.
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