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pinky0926 posted...

I really don't see how any man could have not experienced it, but I tend to notice that people who are sceptical of toxic masculinity as a concept usually are so because they expect the argument to be a criticism of anything masculine from the perspective of women who don't get men's issues. In other words, they see it as an attack on their identity and an erosion of what it is to be a man, so this puts them on the defensive immediately. "Are they saying masculinity is toxic now? Those feminists sure are crazy".

For guys like this they just need to watch some Bill Burr and reflect on how bits like "I've pushed down every impulse to pet a puppy for so many years that I'm going to have a heart attack any day now" is not a glowing review about what it sometimes is to be a man.

Now, not to get all red pilled here, but to be fair, it does seem like a lot of the vocal people who use terminology like toxic masculinity aren't exactly too keen on the concept of masculinity in general. Like, it seems a lot less common for them to talk about masculinity in positive terms at all.

Now. there probably are some who will make a distinction and praise masculine traits, but its easier to find the remarks about "toxic masculinity" adjacent to those about "masculinity so fragile", etc.