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BlackScythe0 posted...

Mead posted...

Yeah lets remove all reminders of our history that we don't like or agree with, that can't possibly backfire in the future.

There is a difference between erasing history and putting an end to the worship of the worst parts of it.

Really not even worship, but let's not let the facts get in the way of hyperbole. It also overlooks that these people were famous for doing more than just that. Again, it's analogous to wanting to take Ben Franklin off currency because he was a slave-owner.

Conner4REAL posted...

While there is no significant difference between modern Germany distancing itself from its nazi era past and any artifacts that emulate such from that era, and the United States (finally) wiping away the celebration of a treasonous act taken against the union of the United States (i.e. Confederate traitors),
I would just like to remind people that There is a huge difference between the lengths Germany has gone to erase the memory and not just remove the monuments celebrating that dark era in their history and what we are doing to remove that stain on the face of our great nation that was marred by the confederate traitors. We are not removing the memory only the artifacts that support and promote the traitors. Those artifacts should be preserved since as dark as they are they belong in a museum or some where else in context as a part of history.

Erasing them is not the answer. Removing them so they aren't displayed as a positive symbol is.

Actually, there's a pretty significant difference. First in that Nazi Germany's war was one of conquest rather than independence. Second in that they were the fucking Nazis. The two groups aren't even remotely comparable.

As for the issue of treason, both sides could make a valid claim because of the way the country was structured. More importantly, it's hard to pretend that the North had a moral high ground when they were wantonly murdering defenseless women and children. And, if you're going to talk rebellion and treason being bad, you've pretty much forgotten how the country got started.

Amuseum posted...

A Confederate heritage that has done no harm in 150 years, is more dangerous than a presently violent, bigoted religion currently promoting mass global invasion of nations of infidels. naturally, let's be tolerant of the presently harmful ideology while abolishing further an irrelevant harmless tradition.

Islam? There's really not much we can do to get rid of a foreign nation's religion, short of occupying and brutalizing the population which would make us as bad as ISIS. Plus while Islam might exacerbate certain problems, it's really not the biggest driver of terrorism. The real issue is regional instability, partly due to Western intervention.
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