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Zangulus posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

You said moral veganism doesn't have a foot to stand on and I disagree. The world will never be free of suffering or exploitation, but people doing what they can to minimize that are at least doing something that results in less net suffering, exploitation, and cruelty.

Better that than saying that's just how it is and doing nothing to work towards a different outcome.

I am aware of what I said. I also dont make implications. The point was straightforward. Its also why I modified my statement which you ignored.

Didn't ignore it. My first reply was to the initial statement. Which made some big assumptions that vegans generally think no animals die in the production of their food. I've yet to meet anyone that ignorant (that is actually eating plant based anyway). So I am not sure where it's short sighted to minimize suffering when you know the you can't eliminate it. And if you do reduce suffering and eliminate intentional killing, you do have a moral leg to stand on.

I'm also for less cruelty and better conditions in food production. Ultimately there's no such thing as buying cruelty free meat, eggs, or dairy, no matter what marketing is going to call something. The sheer scale of food production with animals creates suffering through neglect just by its nature.

(Personally I have no issues with people hobby farming for their own milk or eggs but that's not how most people get those things)
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