Poll of the Day > Are insects vegan?

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Could we share a box of thai fried grass hoppers?
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or maybe some roasted sago bugs?
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slacker03150 posted...

Could we share a box of thai fried grass hoppers?
https://hips.hearstapps.com/esq.h-cdn.co/assets/cm/15/05/54cafc1f5d767_-_grasshoppers-091907-lg.jpg

or maybe some roasted sago bugs?
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I thought this thread was about insects themselves being vegan. Also no since its still meat.
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Zangulus posted...

No. Insects are living beings. Therefor against vegan ideology.

Theres even the question about eating honey amongst some vegans... some consider it bee slavery.

But bees make honey. That's what they do. It's their natural state.

SkynyrdRocker posted...

Zangulus posted...

No. Insects are living beings. Therefor against vegan ideology.

Theres even the question about eating honey amongst some vegans... some consider it bee slavery.

But bees make honey. That's what they do. It's their natural state.

Cows make milk. Chickens lay eggs. Sheep grow wool. There's no question... Honey isn't vegan. It's an animal product.

Whether it's ethical to eat honey or not is another matter
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Depends on the insect

Some only eat specific foods which may or may not be plants, many eat whatever they can get their hands on, and some are predators that exclusively consume prey
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Do mosquitos count as carnivores for exclusively drinking blood?

I think mosquitos could be considered vegetarians, blood is in every way the same as milk
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Revelation34 posted...

I thought this thread was about insects themselves being vegan. Also no since its still meat.

This.

Mead posted...

I think mosquitos could be considered vegetarians, blood is in every way the same as milk

What kind of milk are you drinking?!

Mead posted...

I think mosquitos could be considered vegetarians, blood is in every way the same as milk

milk is fuel, blood is hydraulic fluid

or something
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Doctor Foxx posted...

milk is fuel, blood is hydraulic fluid
or something

What the hell sort of cars are you driving o_O?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvn8QG5H478
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Damnit man, I was going to eat!

Doctor Foxx posted...

SkynyrdRocker posted...

Zangulus posted...

No. Insects are living beings. Therefor against vegan ideology.

Theres even the question about eating honey amongst some vegans... some consider it bee slavery.

But bees make honey. That's what they do. It's their natural state.

Cows make milk. Chickens lay eggs. Sheep grow wool. There's no question... Honey isn't vegan. It's an animal product.

Whether it's ethical to eat honey or not is another matter

When it comes to sheep they want to be sheared. For that matter cows need to be milked too.
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but it says they smell like butter and taste like bacon.
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Revelation34 posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

SkynyrdRocker posted...

Zangulus posted...

No. Insects are living beings. Therefor against vegan ideology.

Theres even the question about eating honey amongst some vegans... some consider it bee slavery.

But bees make honey. That's what they do. It's their natural state.

Cows make milk. Chickens lay eggs. Sheep grow wool. There's no question... Honey isn't vegan. It's an animal product.

Whether it's ethical to eat honey or not is another matter

When it comes to sheep they want to be sheared. For that matter cows need to be milked too.

Right and the point is those products animals naturally go about making are very much not vegan. Like bees and honey, cows make milk for feeding members of their own species, not to share it with humans. Cows don't need to be milked if they are allowed to feed their calves naturally, and bees don't require humans to take their honey.

Honey is ok for vegetarians and for those eating plant based (but not vegan)
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Doctor Foxx posted...

Revelation34 posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

SkynyrdRocker posted...

Zangulus posted...

No. Insects are living beings. Therefor against vegan ideology.

Theres even the question about eating honey amongst some vegans... some consider it bee slavery.

But bees make honey. That's what they do. It's their natural state.

Cows make milk. Chickens lay eggs. Sheep grow wool. There's no question... Honey isn't vegan. It's an animal product.

Whether it's ethical to eat honey or not is another matter

When it comes to sheep they want to be sheared. For that matter cows need to be milked too.

Right and the point is those products animals naturally go about making are very much not vegan. Like bees and honey, cows make milk for feeding members of their own species, not to share it with humans. Cows don't need to be milked if they are allowed to feed their calves naturally, and bees don't require humans to take their honey.

Honey is ok for vegetarians and for those eating plant based (but not vegan)

For that matter where would Kopi Luwak fall? Since it's just harvested shit coffee.
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VioletMassacre posted...

It's because we have bred them to overproduce wool.

http://www.earthporm.com/shrek-sheep-escaped-shearing-6-years/ It's fucking smiling after being sheared.
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Literally all animal products are not vegan. Vegetarians just won't eat anything that required killing the animal. So honey and milk are fine for vegetarians, but not vegans.

Personally I am neither. I try not to eat meat excessively, but I... Wait, whom am I kidding? I eat a lot of meat. I don't say that as any point of pride. Meat is necessary for proper nutrition unless you work really hard to get around that. But eating huge amounts of meat isn't terribly good for you and encourages more environmental damage.

Revelation34 posted...

it's just harvested shit

I've always just assumed that's what coffee was.
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Where they draw the line though?

Do they only eat produce made with no animal fertilizer?
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If you're a vegan and are trying to argue that certain meats or animal by products are "still vegan", maybe you should change to being a vegetarian.

Or you could eat whatever you want and tell yourself you're still a vegan if you makes you feel better (I knew a person who did this).

Or you could eat meat and not care like most people.
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Some insects are tasty.
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I can respect somebody being vegan on moral grounds, because they like animals, but in terms of environmental or health reasons it's flat-out ignorant to believe it's the solution. Meat is far more efficient than produce in terms of a land/resources-to-sustenance ratio. While cows are bad, virtually every other source of meat leaves less of a toxic footprint, not to mention all of the health woes that comes with being vegan, such a potential thyroid condition.

Insects are technically an animal though, and aren't vegan. I'd lump them in with the "vegetarians who also eat fish" (it begins with the letter P, I think...).
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Doctor Foxx

Whether it's ethical to eat honey or not is another matter

the fact that this is a question is depressing.
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SkynyrdRocker posted...

Do mosquitos count as carnivores for exclusively drinking blood?

Nectar is the primary diet of adult mosquitoes. Only adult female mosquitoes collect blood, and they only do this because they need lipids/proteins acquired from blood to breed/lay their eggs.

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Nade Duck posted...

the fact that this is a question is depressing.

How is that depressing?
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Zangulus posted...

No. Insects are living beings. Therefor against vegan ideology.

Theres even the question about eating honey amongst some vegans... some consider it bee slavery.

you can easily argue plants are living beings too. I mean they live and they die just like animals do. they require nourishment like animals do.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

Zangulus posted...

No. Insects are living beings. Therefor against vegan ideology.

Theres even the question about eating honey amongst some vegans... some consider it bee slavery.

you can easily argue plants are living beings too. I mean they live and they die just like animals do. they require nourishment like animals do.

Plants are living (no one denies that) but they are not animals and we do not acknowledge any plant sentience.
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Zangulus posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

Plants are living (no one denies that) but they are not animals and we do not acknowledge any plant sentience.

Thats starting to change.

if they prove it. going to be hilarious to see how vegans react, will they poorly try to defend it, will they give up, or will they start eating rocks?
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Zangulus posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

if they prove it. going to be hilarious to see how vegans react, will they poorly try to defend it, will they give up, or will they start eating rocks?

Its not like moral veganism really has a foot to stand on. Animals will die in the production of food, no matter what youre making. Its going to happen.

I have no qualms with a person being vegan, but moral veganism really is kind of short sighted.

true. my biggest gripe is our dental structure shows we are meant to eat meat, only argument I can see is we probably eat more than meant to, as way back when we had to hunt the shit.

and do vegans get upset over animals killing animals or is it a "we are smarter so we should know better" which is odd considering the act like animals deserve equality where as that statement would show they think humans are superior.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

only argument I can see is we probably eat more than meant to, as way back when we had to hunt the shit.

They probably ate more meat than we did but made up for it by actually being active.
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Zangulus posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

if they prove it. going to be hilarious to see how vegans react, will they poorly try to defend it, will they give up, or will they start eating rocks?

Its not like moral veganism really has a foot to stand on. Animals will die in the production of food, no matter what youre making. Its going to happen.

I have no qualms with a person being vegan, but moral veganism really is kind of short sighted.

Fewer die when you don't eat them or the things they produce. Animals will die for a number of reasons all the time. But to suggest that not eating them (or their milk or eggs or whatever) is on the same level as raising them for slaughter and equivalent in the amount of deaths or suffering is pure nonsense.
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Revelation34 posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

only argument I can see is we probably eat more than meant to, as way back when we had to hunt the shit.

They probably ate more meat than we did but made up for it by actually being active.

I could reasonably see say a native american tribe going a day or two without meat. but when they did hunt and kill probably meat for days.
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Bees aren't animals humans make products too should we not eat that
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Doctor Foxx posted...

Zangulus posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

if they prove it. going to be hilarious to see how vegans react, will they poorly try to defend it, will they give up, or will they start eating rocks?

Its not like moral veganism really has a foot to stand on. Animals will die in the production of food, no matter what youre making. Its going to happen.

I have no qualms with a person being vegan, but moral veganism really is kind of short sighted.

Fewer die when you don't eat them or the things they produce. Animals will die for a number of reasons all the time. But to suggest that not eating them (or their milk or eggs or whatever) is on the same level as raising them for slaughter and equivalent in the amount of deaths or suffering is pure nonsense.

That actually is not true. Left alone animals would overtake some areas. Same reason why some areas have to cull part of a deer population.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

Zangulus posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

Plants are living (no one denies that) but they are not animals and we do not acknowledge any plant sentience.

Thats starting to change.

if they prove it. going to be hilarious to see how vegans react, will they poorly try to defend it, will they give up, or will they start eating rocks?

Why are you singling out vegans?

Vegans aim to not participate in animal exploitation, and to minimize suffering and harm. Even if plants do suffer, you're contributing less net suffering by only eating plants. All those animals people eat consume far more plants to make up their flesh than you'd need to eat for the same number of calories and macronutrient content.

Eating plants directly means growing and harvesting fewer plants to meet your needs (and killing fewer animals accidentally with harvesters).
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mooreandrew58 posted...

I could reasonably see say a native american tribe going a day or two without meat. but when they did hunt and kill probably meat for days.

Native Americans hunted a lot though.
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Revelation34 posted...

That actually is not true. Left alone animals would overtake some areas. Same reason why some areas have to cull part of a deer population.

Dude. They (commercial livestock) don't reproduce on their own. They don't feed themselves. It means humans artificially inseminate fewer animals, breed fewer animals, feed fewer animals, and ultimately kill fewer animals.

Out of control animal populations for things like deer are not what's getting discussed. This is to do with animals in the food production line.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

Zangulus posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

Plants are living (no one denies that) but they are not animals and we do not acknowledge any plant sentience.

Thats starting to change.

if they prove it. going to be hilarious to see how vegans react, will they poorly try to defend it, will they give up, or will they start eating rocks?

Why are you singling out vegans?

Vegans aim to not participate in animal exploitation, and to minimize suffering and harm. Even if plants do suffer, you're contributing less net suffering by only eating plants. All those animals people eat consume far more plants to make up their flesh than you'd need to eat for the same number of calories and macronutrient content.

Eating plants directly means growing and harvesting fewer plants to meet your needs (and killing fewer animals accidentally with harvesters).

let my clarify whom i'm singling out the annoying vegans. trying to shame anyone for eating anything is kinda of stupid in my point. unless they are killing and eating other humans or eating things simply not designed to be ate.
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Zangulus posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

Zangulus posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

if they prove it. going to be hilarious to see how vegans react, will they poorly try to defend it, will they give up, or will they start eating rocks?

Its not like moral veganism really has a foot to stand on. Animals will die in the production of food, no matter what youre making. Its going to happen.

I have no qualms with a person being vegan, but moral veganism really is kind of short sighted.

Fewer die when you don't eat them or the things they produce. Animals will die for a number of reasons all the time. But to suggest that not eating them (or their milk or eggs or whatever) is on the same level as raising them for slaughter and equivalent in the amount of deaths or suffering is pure nonsense.

Dont read between the lines. I neither implied nor said such a thing.

I will modify my statement: A lot of moral vegans think theyre saving all animals and do not count among those that die in the production of their food.

Im all for less cruelty for livestock and better conditions all around.

You said moral veganism doesn't have a foot to stand on and I disagree. The world will never be free of suffering or exploitation, but people doing what they can to minimize that are at least doing something that results in less net suffering, exploitation, and cruelty.

Better that than saying that's just how it is and doing nothing to work towards a different outcome.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

Revelation34 posted...

That actually is not true. Left alone animals would overtake some areas. Same reason why some areas have to cull part of a deer population.

Dude. They (commercial livestock) don't reproduce on their own. They don't feed themselves. It means humans artificially inseminate fewer animals, breed fewer animals, feed fewer animals, and ultimately kill fewer animals.

Out of control animal populations for things like deer are not what's getting discussed. This is to do with animals in the food production line.

Maybe only the cows but most other domesticated animals would be fine on their own.
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Zangulus posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

You said moral veganism doesn't have a foot to stand on and I disagree. The world will never be free of suffering or exploitation, but people doing what they can to minimize that are at least doing something that results in less net suffering, exploitation, and cruelty.

Better that than saying that's just how it is and doing nothing to work towards a different outcome.

I am aware of what I said. I also dont make implications. The point was straightforward. Its also why I modified my statement which you ignored.

Didn't ignore it. My first reply was to the initial statement. Which made some big assumptions that vegans generally think no animals die in the production of their food. I've yet to meet anyone that ignorant (that is actually eating plant based anyway). So I am not sure where it's short sighted to minimize suffering when you know the you can't eliminate it. And if you do reduce suffering and eliminate intentional killing, you do have a moral leg to stand on.

I'm also for less cruelty and better conditions in food production. Ultimately there's no such thing as buying cruelty free meat, eggs, or dairy, no matter what marketing is going to call something. The sheer scale of food production with animals creates suffering through neglect just by its nature.

(Personally I have no issues with people hobby farming for their own milk or eggs but that's not how most people get those things)
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ArvTheGreat posted...

Bees aren't animals humans make products too should we not eat that

Just came to point out that this is wrong. Bees are absolutely animals, as are all arthropods.