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Topic	Are insects vegan?
Doctor Foxx 10/16/17 3:20:39 PM #58:	Nade Duck posted... and species change and evolve to work together all the time, not even as a parasitic sort of thing. yeah, they'd be different. wouldn't necessarily be better or worse, it's just a thing. i'd be way more worried about dogs or.. any other animal, really. we literally breed those poor things to suffer because they look cute. the bee population is suffering tremendously because of pesticides and chemicals and we've got people worried about eating their honey, that just seems asinine to me. Vegans tend to be worried about dogs and other animals. They just also care about bees and other creatures. Don't see anything wrong with that. How many people will take the time to relocate a spider or insect to outside rather than killing it? How many people that move those critters are also OK with eating meat? That's a lot more cognitive dissonance than a vegan caring about bees is. If you want to know why vegans oppose honey (beyond it being an animal product--and therefore not vegan) Bees are killed in honey farming, much moreso on the large scale (crushed en masse if they're in the way rather than moved as it's not cost efficient to take time to protect bees). The honey the bees work to make to feed the beehive is replaced with corn syrup or sugar water which is not good for the bees' health. Commercial honey farmers also artificially breed the queen and replace her every few years. Bee hives also tend to be plopped down in strict monoculture areas with glyphosate covered crops which is damaging bees in the long term. So bees are worked until they die and denied the goods they produce. Not a great life. Small scale beekeeping preserves more bee lives, provides a more natural life, but still ultimately takes what bees produce (solely for themselves) away from them. We totally do need bees! So much of modern agriculture relies on them. But we need modern beekeeping to be done in ways that are not like commercial beekeeping. Just like honey, silk is also not vegan. Anything an animal makes that you take from them is not vegan. Veganism specifically is about animals having rights to be free of human exploitation. I would personally argue that honey is plant-based in terms of those eating a plant-based diet. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:888548079] in Are insect... [t:75883583]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nade Duck posted...</cite> <quote>and species change and evolve to work together all the time, not even as a parasitic sort of thing. yeah, they'd be different. wouldn't necessarily be better or worse, it's just a thing. i'd be way more worried about dogs or.. any other animal, really. we literally breed those poor things to suffer because they look cute. the bee population is suffering tremendously because of pesticides and chemicals and we've got people worried about eating their honey, that just seems asinine to me.</quote> Vegans tend to be worried about dogs and other animals. They just also care about bees and other creatures. Don't see anything wrong with that. How many people will take the time to relocate a spider or insect to outside rather than killing it? How many people that move those critters are also OK with eating meat? That's a lot more cognitive dissonance than a vegan caring about bees is. If you want to know why vegans oppose honey (beyond it being an animal product--and therefore not vegan) Bees are killed in honey farming, much moreso on the large scale (crushed en masse if they're in the way rather than moved as it's not cost efficient to take time to protect bees). The honey the bees work to make to feed the beehive is replaced with corn syrup or sugar water which is not good for the bees' health. Commercial honey farmers also artificially breed the queen and replace her every few years. Bee hives also tend to be plopped down in strict monoculture areas with glyphosate covered crops which is damaging bees in the long term. So bees are worked until they die and denied the goods they produce. Not a great life. Small scale beekeeping preserves more bee lives, provides a more natural life, but still ultimately takes what bees produce (solely for themselves) away from them. We totally do need bees! So much of modern agriculture relies on them. But we need modern beekeeping to be done in ways that are not like commercial beekeeping. Just like honey, silk is also not vegan. Anything an animal makes that you take from them is not vegan. Veganism specifically is about animals having rights to be free of human exploitation. I would personally argue that honey is plant-based in terms of those eating a plant-based diet. --- Never write off the Doctor!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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