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Topic	I made this topic before,but I forgot: Explain how working to live isn't slavery
Zeus 10/22/18 2:51:20 AM #23:	Kyuubi4269 posted... Zeus posted... In slavery and serfdom, you had involuntary servitude. The same is true of communist nations that still have forced labor practices. However, for most of the world people choose their employers rather than have their employers conscript them against their will either by purchase or birth. That's a pretty poor definition. People do serve involuntarily, they wouldn't be employed if it were something they could opt out of. They also wouldn't stop being a slave just because they can choose their master, they still serve without want. Mind you, it's still not slavery as they aren't owned by anybody, they still have legal individual rights. They absolutely can opt out of it. And many do. In fact, if you want to make an argument for slaves and masters, the US taxpayers who fund people who never held a job in their lives is probably the strongest example of functioning slavery. However, although taxes are compulsory, citizens have a say in government which keeps the overall system from resembling slavery, despite having limited ability to leave. Kyuubi4269 posted... darkknight109 posted... You don't have to work if you don't mind living in the wild and hunting/scavenging for food. You mean "the wild" which is under government jusidiction? The same one which requires hunting licenses? The ones that make sleeping rough illegal? Property ownership has always been a thing, that's not slavery either. wolfy42 posted... Look, we may have slavery here eventually, and in some cases, it's getting close. I have heard horror stories and there was like a special on tv or something, about the working conditions at amazon warehouses. From what I heard from a friend who worked at one (through a temp agency briefly) some of it is true. They don't want you talking to other employees, monitor you constantly and listen to all conversations, you have almost no time to use the restroom etc as you have to clock out where you work, then walk to the area for breaks, and back, which takes up most of your break etc. Still not even close to slavery. That's not even a company town situation. Kyuubi4269 posted... If you're tracked down and arrested for not serving a higher power, how is that not slavery? Uh, he wasn't "tracked down," he was caught breaking into somebody's home and his entire existence had heavily involved theft. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:910944037] in I made thi... [t:77120224]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>In slavery and serfdom, you had involuntary servitude. The same is true of communist nations that still have forced labor practices. However, for most of the world people choose their employers rather than have their employers conscript them against their will either by purchase or birth.</quote> That's a pretty poor definition. People do serve involuntarily, they wouldn't be employed if it were something they could opt out of. They also wouldn't stop being a slave just because they can choose their master, they still serve without want. Mind you, it's still not slavery as they aren't owned by anybody, they still have legal individual rights.</quote> They absolutely can opt out of it. And many do. In fact, if you want to make an argument for slaves and masters, the US taxpayers who fund people who never held a job in their lives is probably the strongest example of functioning slavery. However, although taxes are compulsory, citizens have a say in government which keeps the overall system from resembling slavery, despite having limited ability to leave. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>You don't have to work if you don't mind living in the wild and hunting/scavenging for food.</quote> You mean "the wild" which is under government jusidiction? The same one which requires hunting licenses? The ones that make sleeping rough illegal?</quote> Property ownership has always been a thing, that's not slavery either. <cite>wolfy42 posted...</cite> <quote>Look, we may have slavery here eventually, and in some cases, it's getting close. I have heard horror stories and there was like a special on tv or something, about the working conditions at amazon warehouses. From what I heard from a friend who worked at one (through a temp agency briefly) some of it is true. They don't want you talking to other employees, monitor you constantly and listen to all conversations, you have almost no time to use the restroom etc as you have to clock out where you work, then walk to the area for breaks, and back, which takes up most of your break etc.</quote> Still not even close to slavery. That's not even a company town situation. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>If you're tracked down and arrested for not serving a higher power, how is that not slavery?</quote> Uh, he wasn't "tracked down," he was caught breaking into somebody's home and his entire existence had heavily involved theft. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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