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OhhhJa posted...

The bottom line is that a decade ago grenade attacks were more or less non existent. Now they are anything but.

Dude, you're talking about something that is *literally* one in a million. It's *still* next to non-existent.

The reason why these attacks hit the papers is that they're basically like terrorism - big and flashy and scary, but ultimately short on results.

Suggesting that 16 attacks in an entire year, across 10,000,000 people represents some big crisis is just sensationalism.

OhhhJa posted...

Oh man, the irony of you claiming that 24 grenade attacks in one year isnt a problem in such a small country of less than 10 million but claiming that 154 mass shootings country of over 300 million is a gigantic issue.

You're lying again. You should stop lying. It makes you sound like Trump.

I've never once said 154 mass shootings in a country of over 300 million is a gigantic issue. America doesn't have a mass shooting problem, it has a shooting problem in general. Mass shootings make up a tiny minority of gun deaths in America and even if you could stop every single one (and there's no reasonable way you could), the death toll would be practically unaltered. See above mentioned point on terrorism, because this is another perfect example of that same trend.

Seriously, dude, strawman arguments aren't going to get you anywhere.

OhhhJa posted...

That's like 5 times, you've tried to make this topic about America's gun problem. And now you're baselessly assuming that I dont think America has a gun problem. I'd say we have a pretty huge problem as well but it's funny to me that you keep trying to divert a discussion about an issue in sweden with a weapons issue in another country. Could you just admit that both countries have an issue? I know America is your favorite boogie man but c'mon man... at least try to appear like you're capable of relatively unbiased critical thinking

Says the guy who baselessly tried to blame this on refugees, a conclusion that has zero evidence and zero basis in reality.

The reason why I keep coming back to America's gun problem is because the whole Sweden argument is such utter horseshit and said gun problem is the easiest way to point out why.

I mean, let's take a good, solid look at this. Zeus claimed that Sweden is suffering from "widespread grenade attacks". You claimed there was a "huge spike" in grenade attacks and tied it to refugees. This is all pure, undiluted, bullshit alarmism and I feel like both of you should be smart enough to know that. And a simple look at the numbers reveals the truth - you are more likely to be shot in America than be a victim of a grenade attack in Sweden. Not just a little bit more likely either - multiple orders of magnitude more likely. The odds of you surviving a year in Sweden without being blown up are roughly the same as you surviving *three days* in the US without getting shot.

Conservatives badly want Sweden to be in some huge crisis so they can use it to shriek about socialism and foreigners and Islam and refugees, but it's simply not true. This is not the big, scary boogeyman you desperately want it to be. Sweden was one of the safest places on the planet before 2016 and it's still one of the safest places on the planet in 2018. Unless you are terrified to leave your home every morning for fear of getting shot, you have absolutely zero basis to point fingers at Sweden and say "Look at all the horrible things happening!"

The grenade attacks are awful, the same as any other terrorist-style attack, but - when you actually take a dispassionate look at the numbers - they're all flash and zero substance.
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