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Topic	Will transgenders be allowed in sports?
GreatEvilEmpire 06/25/19 11:27:48 PM #53:	gunplagirl posted... gunplagirl posted... People of African descent have denser bones. We don't use race science like that to designate black men and women as in a league above all other races, despite the fact that there ARE an extremely high proportion of black athletes in running events taking home medals. Speaking of which, how many trans athletes who have made it to the Olympics have won a gold medal, and how many trans athletes in total have there been? You're also ignoring that there's trans people who transitioned and were on hormone blockers before puberty, preventing that "bone mass" argument from ever coming in to play for trans women. Gonna need you to cite at least two reports that verify your "even after 3 years" claim for muscle mass, and at least one has to actually acknowledge the concept of muscle atrophy in it with a control group that didn't exercise while on androgen blockers. For what it's worth, I'll even ignore the country the study comes from, as the most commonly prescribed blocker in the US isn't as effective as the one in other Western nations. If you're getting pissed over high school sports, consider the following: can you name ANY trans athletes who transitioned, participated, and have earned an athletics scholarship? Any at all? https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/39/10/695 "After one year of cross sexual treatment, the cross sectional thigh muscle area of the male to female transsexuals declined significantly, such that the mean muscle area approached that of the comparison group (pretreatment measurements from 17 female to male transsexuals). It should be noted, however, that even after one year of treatment, the male to female mean muscle area remained significantly greater than that observed in the female to male comparison group. Furthermore, measurements obtained at three years were not appreciably different from those at one year." The advent of trans athletes dominated women in sports has been very recent, especially in HS track and field, but the results are obvious. They probably haven't even transitioned, they merely identify as women. And any transition after puberty is not going to remove the big advantages over biological women. Even when you take everything out of the equation, you still have 2 big problems. One, men are naturally taller giving them advantages in a number of sports. Two, men have larger lungs. In fact, men's lungs can hold 2X as much air as women's at rest. https://www.livescience.com/52250-lung.html Only time will tell if these trans athletes will be given scholarships, but we know that the women who placed 3rd, 4th and 5th will, instead of 1st, 2nd, and 3rd will likely have their chances of getting a scholarship ruined. --- Sig under construction! <cite>GreatEvilEmpire posted [p:923852964] in Will trans... [t:77818544]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> People of African descent have denser bones. We don't use race science like that to designate black men and women as in a league above all other races, despite the fact that there ARE an extremely high proportion of black athletes in running events taking home medals. Speaking of which, how many trans athletes who have made it to the Olympics have won a gold medal, and how many trans athletes in total have there been? You're also ignoring that there's trans people who transitioned and were on hormone blockers before puberty, preventing that "bone mass" argument from ever coming in to play for trans women. Gonna need you to cite at least two reports that verify your "even after 3 years" claim for muscle mass, and at least one has to actually acknowledge the concept of muscle atrophy in it with a control group that didn't exercise while on androgen blockers. For what it's worth, I'll even ignore the country the study comes from, as the most commonly prescribed blocker in the US isn't as effective as the one in other Western nations. If you're getting pissed over high school sports, consider the following: can you name ANY trans athletes who transitioned, participated, and have earned an athletics scholarship? Any at all?</quote> https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/39/10/695 "After one year of cross sexual treatment, the cross sectional thigh muscle area of the male to female transsexuals declined significantly, such that the mean muscle area approached that of the comparison group (pretreatment measurements from 17 female to male transsexuals). It should be noted, however, that even after one year of treatment, the male to female mean muscle area remained significantly greater than that observed in the female to male comparison group. Furthermore, measurements obtained at three years were not appreciably different from those at one year." The advent of trans athletes dominated women in sports has been very recent, especially in HS track and field, but the results are obvious. They probably haven't even transitioned, they merely identify as women. And any transition after puberty is not going to remove the big advantages over biological women. Even when you take everything out of the equation, you still have 2 big problems. One, men are naturally taller giving them advantages in a number of sports. Two, men have larger lungs. In fact, men's lungs can hold 2X as much air as women's at rest. https://www.livescience.com/52250-lung.html Only time will tell if these trans athletes will be given scholarships, but we know that the women who placed 3rd, 4th and 5th will, instead of 1st, 2nd, and 3rd will likely have their chances of getting a scholarship ruined. --- Sig under construction!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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