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Topic	Do you guys think using "implications" to get sex is rape?
Lirishae 07/18/19 1:11:00 PM #51:	Do you consider it freely giving away your stuff if you hand over your wallet because of the "implications" of a gang member cornering you in what you thought was a safe place? Of course not. You handed it over because you were afraid of what would happen if you didn't. You make this choice to part with your wallet "willingly" because it will reduce the chances of you being hurt or killed. By the same token, if a woman has sex with you because she felt like she couldn't say no, that was rape. Period. The idea that a woman wouldn't go out on a boat with you unless they "wanted it" is absolute baloney. What it means is that they trusted you, and you took advantage of that trust. In that situation, many women will given in and pretend to have sex willingly because they have nowhere to run, and they're scared you will seriously hurt or kill them if they don't. That's not real consent any more than you willingly donated your wallet to the mob, or carrying a wallet around is begging for it to be stolen. Notice the double standard here? The_tall_midget posted... Did they lie? Who knows. The number of false rape accusations are in the single digits. Accused men, on the other hand, very frequently lie and attack the victim in a strategy referred to as DARVO. Even Brock Turner, who was caught raping Emily Doe red-handed, tried to deny it was rape. The_tall_midget posted... But until they prove something actually happened, their allegation is false. In a court of law, witness testimony is evidence that something actually happened. Most rapists aren't stupid enough to film it, though it does happen (like the guy who sent it to all his friends with the caption "When your first time was rape".) Even with this guy's confession and iron clad proof, the judge STILL questioned whether or not it was rape and blamed the victim for what happened. That's how screwed up attitudes are about rape. The_tall_midget posted... There is already an environment where actual victims can come forward. I am amused of people claiming otherwise. The majority of people who don't come forward are those who are full of s*, as it should. You have absolutely NO clue what you are talking about. Older claims are actually more likely to be true than recent ones, because those who make up rape claims usually invent a recent incident in order to accomplish a specific agenda (usually getting out of trouble). Tawana Brawley, for example, was late getting home and scared of her abusive stepfather, so she used the story to get out of being abused. https://www.livescience.com/56482-victims-sexual-assault-speak-out.html https://www.kellymagazine.ca/blog/why-dont-sexual-assault-survivors-come-forward Cause a woman making false rape allegations is a horrible fing thing. A lot of women have gone to prison for it as they well should have. Fear of not being believed and not trusting the criminal justice system is one of the many reasons why women don't come forward. When you add the possibility of being prosecuted for lying if you aren't believed, it will silence a lot more women and enable even more rapists to get away with their crimes. The_tall_midget posted... Irrelevant. Both are crimes. Because one happens more often does not justify not pursuing the other. The way you state that would indicate you believe that LYING is on par with RAPE. If that's what you meant to say, that is screwed up as hell. Police departments and DAs have finite resources. Suggesting that they should focus on people who lie/aren't believed about rape equally with people who are accused of rape is either incredibly ignorant or misogynistic.Statistically speaking, men are much more likely to be lying about rape than women. That's not saying it's impossible or there shouldn't be due process, but it's something to keep in mind when you start screaming about lying. --- "Little scratches on people's hearts will be gone if they pat them from behind, but the humans don't know that." -Li'l Cactus 3DS FC: 0619-3174-3155 <cite>Lirishae posted [p:924858328] in Do you guy... [t:77871100]...</cite> <quote>Do you consider it freely giving away your stuff if you hand over your wallet because of the "implications" of a gang member cornering you in what you thought was a safe place? Of course not. You handed it over because you were afraid of what would happen if you didn't. You make this choice to part with your wallet "willingly" because it will reduce the chances of you being hurt or killed. By the same token, if a woman has sex with you because she felt like she couldn't say no, that was rape. Period. The idea that a woman wouldn't go out on a boat with you unless they "wanted it" is absolute baloney. What it means is that they trusted you, and you took advantage of that trust. In that situation, many women will given in and pretend to have sex willingly because they have nowhere to run, and they're scared you will seriously hurt or kill them if they don't. That's not real consent any more than you willingly donated your wallet to the mob, or carrying a wallet around is begging for it to be stolen. Notice the double standard here? <cite>The_tall_midget posted...</cite> <quote>Did they lie? Who knows. </quote> The number of false rape accusations are in the single digits. Accused men, on the other hand, very frequently lie and attack the victim in a strategy referred to as DARVO. Even Brock Turner, who was caught raping Emily Doe red-handed, tried to deny it was rape. <cite>The_tall_midget posted...</cite> <quote>But until they prove something actually happened, their allegation is false.</quote> In a court of law, witness testimony is evidence that something actually happened. Most rapists aren't stupid enough to film it, though it does happen (like the guy who sent it to all his friends with the caption "When your first time was rape".) Even with this guy's confession and iron clad proof, the judge STILL questioned whether or not it was rape and blamed the victim for what happened. That's how screwed up attitudes are about rape. <cite>The_tall_midget posted...</cite> <quote>There is already an environment where actual victims can come forward. I am amused of people claiming otherwise. The majority of people who don't come forward are those who are full of s, as it should.</quote> You have absolutely NO clue what you are talking about. Older claims are actually more likely to be true than recent ones, because those who make up rape claims usually invent a recent incident in order to accomplish a specific agenda (usually getting out of trouble). Tawana Brawley, for example, was late getting home and scared of her abusive stepfather, so she used the story to get out of being abused. https://www.livescience.com/56482-victims-sexual-assault-speak-out.html https://www.kellymagazine.ca/blog/why-dont-sexual-assault-survivors-come-forward <quote>Cause a woman making false rape allegations is a horrible f*ing thing. A lot of women have gone to prison for it as they well should have.</quote> Fear of not being believed and not trusting the criminal justice system is one of the many reasons why women don't come forward. When you add the possibility of being prosecuted for lying if you aren't believed, it will silence a lot more women and enable even more rapists to get away with their crimes. <cite>The_tall_midget posted...</cite> <quote>Irrelevant. Both are crimes. Because one happens more often does not justify not pursuing the other.</quote> The way you state that would indicate you believe that LYING is on par with RAPE. If that's what you meant to say, that is screwed up as hell. Police departments and DAs have finite resources. Suggesting that they should focus on people who lie/aren't believed about rape equally with people who are accused of rape is either incredibly ignorant or misogynistic.Statistically speaking, men are much more likely to be lying about rape than women. That's not saying it's impossible or there shouldn't be due process, but it's something to keep in mind when you start screaming about lying. --- "Little scratches on people's hearts will be gone if they pat them from behind, but the humans don't know that." -Li'l Cactus 3DS FC: 0619-3174-3155</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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