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Topic	Percent of men under 30 reporting no sex triples to record highs.
Twin3Turbo 07/22/19 9:39:41 PM #78:	Esrac posted... I don't think that role of men as provider is an issue of social conditioning. I suspect its biological inclination informing how our societies are constructed. At best, I think, you could say that, because humans are tribal animals, our social pressures reinforcd those natural inclinations. I mean, men mostly being most of the heads of households, primary providers, leaders, etc seems to be pretty standard across various cultures. Seems unlikely that would be a coincidence if that kind of structure wasn't ingrained in us as a species. Totally hypothesizing here, but my suspicion is that in the early days of our species, women needed men to provide for them, because a pregnant woman is going to have a much harder time providing for herself in those harsher times. So, women who were inclined to depend on the men to protect and provide for her and her offspring would have a better chance to pass on whatever genes predispose her to feeling a need to depend on men. For similar reasons, men evolved to tend to be bigger, stronger, and more prone to status-seeking, risk-taking, and aggressive behavior than women. I don't think that its society that teaches us that. I think that is the type of behavior you'd naturally see in humans and that you'd need a society to train people to behave differently from that. Am I getting my point across okay? I'm pretty sure that we basically agree, but disagree on on the degree, if that makes sense. In regards to whether or not men being providers is social conditioning or primal conditioning, I'm not really sure much that it matters honestly (although I'd wager that the answer is that it's both). The end result of it being that it's ingrained in our heads that mean are supposed to lead, protect and provide. And as you said, that's pretty much how it's been in most cultures through history. The problem that has come about is that women have started taking on more of that more traditional male role yet don't really respect the men that take on more traditional female role IMO. --- https://imgur.com/PHWbltB <cite>Twin3Turbo posted [p:925050392] in Percent of... [t:77882141]...</cite> <quote><cite>Esrac posted...</cite> <quote>I don't think that role of men as provider is an issue of social conditioning. I suspect its biological inclination informing how our societies are constructed. At best, I think, you could say that, because humans are tribal animals, our social pressures reinforcd those natural inclinations. I mean, men mostly being most of the heads of households, primary providers, leaders, etc seems to be pretty standard across various cultures. Seems unlikely that would be a coincidence if that kind of structure wasn't ingrained in us as a species. Totally hypothesizing here, but my suspicion is that in the early days of our species, women needed men to provide for them, because a pregnant woman is going to have a much harder time providing for herself in those harsher times. So, women who were inclined to depend on the men to protect and provide for her and her offspring would have a better chance to pass on whatever genes predispose her to feeling a need to depend on men. For similar reasons, men evolved to tend to be bigger, stronger, and more prone to status-seeking, risk-taking, and aggressive behavior than women. I don't think that its society that teaches us that. I think that is the type of behavior you'd naturally see in humans and that you'd need a society to train people to behave differently from that. Am I getting my point across okay?</quote> I'm pretty sure that we basically agree, but disagree on on the degree, if that makes sense. In regards to whether or not men being providers is social conditioning or primal conditioning, I'm not really sure much that it matters honestly (although I'd wager that the answer is that it's both). The end result of it being that it's ingrained in our heads that mean are supposed to lead, protect and provide. And as you said, that's pretty much how it's been in most cultures through history. The problem that has come about is that women have started taking on more of that more traditional male role yet don't really respect the men that take on more traditional female role IMO. --- https://imgur.com/PHWbltB</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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