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Topic	Do you guys think using "implications" to get sex is rape?
Kyuubi4269 07/26/19 9:35:42 PM #180:	Lirishae posted... Blaming the woman for being afraid to say no when it's the man who purposely created that situation is ridiculous. She had no reason to believe it's a purposeful set-up, so it's irrational to interpret a boat ride she agreed to is a floating rape dungeon when it suits her wild imaginings. If she was threatened by the thought of being raped on a boat, she wouldn't agree to board, so the later conclusion is her being irrational. Lirishae posted... In the scenario being discussed, the man isn't some dude who innocently believes everything was on the up and up Again, she doesn't know this, she can't reasonably assume he's the extremely rare man who raped strangers. Lirishae posted... He knows exactly what he's doing: using alcohol (the number one date rape drug) Lolgtfo Lirishae posted... and the implied threat of physical harm to coerce a woman to have sex with him. Implied as in "he was a male"? It either is a threat or it isn't. A threat can be delivered by an implication, but it's still a full-on threat. If a threat is actually made, it is rape and nobody disputes it. Lirishae posted... And you're blaming her for misunderstanding, not the man who by his own admission deliberately created the misunderstanding. He's taking advantage of her madness which is plenty scummy, but he did not threat or force any action. By acting sanely she can leave freely, so by acting irrationally she has hurt herself. As is always the case, you must actually state what you want for you to claim somebody is trying to make you act against your interests. Lirishae posted... English common law is not state law, either. Laws vary from state to state, but many have laws about implied threats, coerced consent, and alcohol rendering someone unable to give consent. It is beyond me why you're defending this. English common law is the basis for these laws, and as you said, the states vary. We can't argue how things are when there are 50 different "how things are". --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:925234616] in Do you guy... [t:77871100]...</cite> <quote>Lirishae posted...</cite> <quote>Blaming the woman for being afraid to say no when it's the man who purposely created that situation is ridiculous.</quote> She had no reason to believe it's a purposeful set-up, so it's irrational to interpret a boat ride she agreed to is a floating rape dungeon when it suits her wild imaginings. If she was threatened by the thought of being raped on a boat, she wouldn't agree to board, so the later conclusion is her being irrational. Lirishae posted...</cite> <quote>In the scenario being discussed, the man isn't some dude who innocently believes everything was on the up and up</quote> Again, she doesn't know this, she can't reasonably assume he's the extremely rare man who raped strangers. Lirishae posted...</cite> <quote>He knows exactly what he's doing: using alcohol (the number one date rape drug)</quote> Lolgtfo Lirishae posted...</cite> <quote>and the implied threat of physical harm to coerce a woman to have sex with him.</quote> Implied as in "he was a male"? It either is a threat or it isn't. A threat can be delivered by an implication, but it's still a full-on threat. If a threat is actually made, it is rape and nobody disputes it. Lirishae posted...</cite> <quote>And you're blaming her for misunderstanding, not the man who by his own admission deliberately created the misunderstanding.</quote> He's taking advantage of her madness which is plenty scummy, but he did not threat or force any action. By acting sanely she can leave freely, so by acting irrationally she has hurt herself. As is always the case, you must actually state what you want for you to claim somebody is trying to make you act against your interests. Lirishae posted...</cite> <quote>English common law is not state law, either. Laws vary from state to state, but many have laws about implied threats, coerced consent, and alcohol rendering someone unable to give consent. It is beyond me why you're defending this.</quote> English common law is the basis for these laws, and as you said, the states vary. We can't argue how things are when there are 50 different "how things are". --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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