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Topic~FIGHT!~ Zenos, Selvaria, Tifa, Kiryu vs. Tusk, Aigis, Kirby, Sagat
KanzarisKelshen
01/19/23 2:14:22 PM
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trdl23 posted...
A couple of points:

-Selvaria 100% believes this advice, the question is whether Zenos will listen to her about it. If so, I think Zenos will let the two go, per the advice. He has plenty of experience letting enemies go if it means he'll get a bigger fish to fry; that's his whole thing.

-Zenos does NOT become post-Hydaelyn Shinryu. Per the writeup, he becomes EX Trial Shinryu, which has been severely weakened by his clash with Omega. Still super powerful, don't get me wrong, but let's keep it real here.

-Kirby does NOT do "everything Zenos can do." Garleans are biologically top-tier races in FF14, having simply evolved as such at the cost of being magicless. Zenos underwent further body transformaton to get over the whole "magicless" thing and use the absolutely ginormous amount of aether at his disposal.

The problem with Zenos listening isn't that he might not find the case compelling, to be clear (which is why I acknowledged Kirby might get away from the ambush) -- it's that he comes in with a plan of committing murder from the jump, and is the type to kill first and ask questions later. I can think of several instances of him getting thrust into immediate combat (his confrontation with Gaius and Estinien; the ambush attempt from Yugiri and the Warrior of Light) and he's immediately capable of kicking it into high gear.

Kamekguy posted...
Oh noooooo the man with the lightning sword swengthened by his persona (reminder that your STR stat is directly tied to your Persona, so that's an "ordinary" katana forged from materials in the collective subconscious) bwoke my headphones, I so weak ;-;

Please, Aigis is fine. Persona-users like Labrys (whose persona is not exactly 'strong' compared to others, like that's a fresh awakening) have broken military-grade steel gates in a single attack, and Aigis managed to survive an encounter with Thanatos (VERY strong boy in the context of personas) when she was at her absolute weakest.

Also I am sorry if Ms. "Can dodge bullets" and "would follow orders if it kills her" is somehow unable to get in front of Zenos and at least say SOMETHING before he's able to run forward. When Kirby, who by the way ISN'T EVEN HURT he's just in the air, is perfectly equipped to immediately get away with Wheel and Twin Drill, friendo in tow. Like, lemme reiterate that - Kirby is NOT stunned, Aigis has taken ALL of his damage, he's just there. If he wanted to (and he's a friend, he would), he can riposte an initial attack from Zenos if necessary. Why can Kirby do this?

Bro he's got the same weapon, power set, and reaction times (have you SEEN Samurai Kirby? He gets a variant of that, like, every game!)

And then things get said, Zenos KNOWS he wants to fight Tusk before Tusk has to go away and everyone else picks off Sagat, Kiryu probably says something profound about respecting your opponents and friendship while the sad sub-story music from Yakuza plays you know the one.

Sir, this is from the same game where Kanji fights with a normal-ass chair

Not that I'm opposed to free hype for my own mercenary, but there's still a vast gulf in power here between what you'd reasonably expect Yu to do with sword strikes vs what Zenos can do while beasting out, considering his baseline is shattering the guard of warriors who block swords the size of a tenement building and effortlessly resisting attacks from people who blow up artillery platforms. Whatever Yu can do, Zenos can outdo trivially. Aigis is very very done for.

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