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More thoughts as I percolate this match:

-If Gael and friends start moving into the lair immediately, it's likely Kirby finds no one before Estinien comes down. This means it's him 1v2 vs Estinien and Vrtra.

-Grunty's Lair feels too small at baseline for Vrtra. He can smash his way in, but that severely limits his mobility and makes him vulnerable to bearing. He's not going to be a great tank here, more fire support. It's the best way to avoid a death that would cripple his team, and Vrtra is smart enough to know he's the heavy hitter tbqh.

-This fight swings based on whether you buy Banjo getting Vrtra or not. I don't think K. Rool has the skills to successfully kill Vrtra, even though he has the firepower. There's reason to think Banjo'll hear Vrtra's dragonroar on arrival and decide to save himself for the big scary thing but it's not going to be an easy job. Building up a killzone with one way in means few chances to roam and catch Vrtra unawares. I don't know how he gets past Gael and Estinien without burning Wonderwings, or accidentally touching one of them. Do I take K.Rool, Sagat and Kazooie with a major ambush advantage (but no mines, Vivi can blow those up imo) over Estinien, Vivi and Gael (plus I guess Haurchefant bodyguarding Vivi)? Tough question.

-If Vrtra dies, K. Rool will 100% manage to kill Estinien with the sneak attack. I don't think K. Rool is an awesome marksman, but he gets all the time in the world to line up his sneak attack shot and headshot the unsuspecting dragoon. He probably doesn't kill Estinien on his first life, but the second life is another kettle of fish.

This is a fascinating matchup. The two teams are doing very different things. Kamek's team has a major on paper power disadvantage, but the major extra aoe from Overload helps a lot to thin the herd and give Sagat (and to a lesser extent, Kazooie) the chance to do some damage. It's a swingy match -- if Gael falls, then Haurchefant and Vivi probably fall soon after. If Banjo fails, then Vrtra can maul everyone, and so on and so forth. I'll have a vote tonight but I need to think about this some more still.