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TopicWhich Trump indictment is most likely to stick?
MZero
08/14/23 12:38:44 PM
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Thorn posted...
Very brief summary of each:

Stormy Daniels Hush Money - NY State Case regarding how Trump illegally hid the payments he made to Stormy Daniels (a porn star) during his 2016 campaign. Generally speaking, I'd consider this the weakest case by far in terms of the severity of the crime - that's not to say it shouldn't be pursued (it should) nor that it isn't pretty damn clear cut (it is).

Stolen Documents - Federal Case. After January 6 when Trump seemingly accepted he wasn't going to be able to remain in the White House, he just straight up took a bunch of classified information, national security info, nuclear weapons related material, etc. with him to Mar-a-Lago and his golf clubs. You're uh... you're not allowed to just fucking steal top secret information. He maintains they're "his" but they absolutely fucking aren't. They belong to the Office of the President. Nevertheless, the National Archives which was in charges of collecting all this stuff, tried to handle this without causing a fuss and spent months negotiating with him and his lawyers to just please give us this shit back. After refusing to for a long time, he claimed he turned over what he had, but the Archives basically knows what they should have and knew he was lying so it eventually escalated to a search warrant being issued and executed by the FBI at Mar-a-Lago where they found boxes and boxes of this shit all over the place and clearly not stored securely (literally just piles of it in a MAL bathroom in one instance.) Also covers the knowing conspiracy between Trump and Mar-a-Lago staff to hide this stuff from National Archives and not turn it over when asked.

January 6 - Federal Case. kinda goes without saying but includes the plots leading up to it to have illegal false electors from multiple states "ready" to usurp the election and hand it to him during the certification. As well as how even after the insurrection his team was still trying to get them to delay their constitutional duty of certifying the election, using the insurrection itself as an excuse.

GA Election Interference - GA State Case. Related to the above, but this is being conducted by the state of Georgia and not the feds. Specifically relates to his efforts to interfere and overturn the election in Georgia. Includes his phone call to the GA Secretary of State (in charge of overseeing elections) asking him to "just find 11,000 votes" (he used the exact margin of defeat he suffered to Biden which I don't recall offhand but it's about there.) Also recent reporting says GA has obtained texts and emails showing Trump's legal team was behind an incident in early January 2021 where unauthorized individuals got access to the actual voting machines in a Georgia county.

Federal Case (Documents and 1/6) v State Cases (NY and GA) is significant in that federal charges can be pardoned by a president (and if still ongoing can basically be killed by a President) and Trump's legal strategy has been blatantly and unashamedly been to delay the cases and hope to get re-elected in 2024 to take over the Department of Justice and kill these cases - or if they concluded to pardon himself. POTUS can not pardon state criminal charges. In NY that power rests only with the Governor of New York. In Georgia that power has instead been delegated to a Board of Pardons and Paroles.

Thanks! I hadn't heard of any of the other ones, but I don't follow US politics that closely. What a mess

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