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legendary_zell posted...

First, those are different situations because those have to do with conduct related to actual elections, rather than talking about campaign finance and the disproportionate influence of the wealthy.

No one cares. We live in a society where 95% of society reads headlines, YouTube videos titles, and watches TikTok for info. Stop saying dumb shit like "defund the police" and "this was rigged" and getting mad when people either co opt it to use it "wrongly" or people take it at face value because they don't belong to your club or message board where you're giving out the full details.

Second and more importantly, conservatives will always disingenuously say whatever they can to attack liberals and defend their attempts to institute fascism. Stop treating these people as if they're serious and are making serious arguments in response to actual realities. They're just saying the combos of words they think will have the effect they want. They want to overthrow democracy because of their fundamental disposition toward power, not because any politician correctly said our political and economic systems are rigged. If it's not this piece of "ammo" it'll be another, the belief comes first, not the ammo. That's no reason to unilaterally disarm and censor our own language.

Stop treating the other side like everything they say is willful deception. Many of them are misguided and confused and are capable of changing their minds. Acting like they are subhuman and getting mad that they will never understand our confusing catch phrases when 90% of our own side doesn't even like them is a loser strategy.

Again you are trying to persuade people here. Not rile up your own tiny radical gang.

Thirdly, no leftist or even liberal political project has any chance for long term success without acknowledging and combatting the sense that all of these systems are rigged. That's absolutely crucial and it's one of the biggest ways Dems kneecap themselves. Almost everyone across the political spectrum feels that way, because it's true. The differences come in the stories each ideology tells for why it is the way it is. It's our job to tell the truth and accurately identify the problems rather than blaming them on immigrants or minorities, or woke colleges, etc or to say it's not happening. If you even attempt that, you cede the field to Republicans to be the only ones talking about the system's flaws (that they themselves create) and the only ones providing (false) solutions.

I agree with the need to change some aspects of the system. This needs to be done carefully or you'll end up with a bunch of anti establishment losers like MAGA that don't believe anything is ever real out of the government. What Katie Porter did was not careful. It was emotional and reactionary and she knows better, hence the follow up explanation