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Topic	Some1 turned the Biden Palestine vote argument into the trolley problem 4 visual
Hornezz 04/28/24 12:26:36 PM #195:	Euripides posted... The third one is the most telling. Independents (who Biden desperately needs) are still much more pro-Israel than pro-Palestine Yet only 27% of them want Biden to take Israel's side, and that number is even lower for his own voters. These numbers show a strong majority of Dems and Independents want the US to take a neutral stance but Biden is sending billions worth of weapons to Israel instead. These numbers do not support your claim that pro-Israel voters would turn on him at all. 75% of Dems, 60% of Independents disapprove of Israel's action in Gaza: https://news.gallup.com/poll/642695/majority-disapprove-israeli-action-gaza.aspx More specifically, this poll includes numbers on Biden's handling: 60% of non-white Dems disapprove, and 70% of Dems under the age of 45 (remember, these are the groups most likely to stay home!) https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-poll-biden-war-gaza-4159b28d313c6c37abdb7f14162bcdd1 Half of Biden's voters believe Israel is committing genocide: https://www.businessinsider.com/half-biden-voters-israel-genocide-palestinians-gaza-poll-2024-1 Cemith posted... Biden would lose more support from them than support he would gain from preventing what's happening in Palestine. At least, that's how it reads to me. You have been shouting up and down that Biden doesn't need to appeal to voters. That Trump's fascism should be enough to convince voters. That protesters should just accept that genocide is inevitable and vote anyway. Why is that a valid argument to use against anti-genocide voters... but not against the people who want the killings to continue? Would the pro-IDF people risk losing Biden the vote just because he presses Israel for human rights? Would they sacrifice LGBT rights in America just because not enough Palestinian children were bombed? Just tell them they need to hold their nose and vote anyway, and include all the usual threats of Trump's fascism. --- In dentibus anticis frustum magnum spinaciae habes. <cite>Hornezz posted [p:980137327] in Some1 turn... [t:80755688]...</cite> <quote>Euripides posted... </cite><quote>The third one is the most telling. Independents (who Biden desperately needs) are still much more pro-Israel than pro-Palestine</quote>Yet only 27% of them want Biden to take Israel's side, and that number is even lower for his own voters. These numbers show a strong majority of Dems and Independents want the US to take a neutral stance but Biden is sending billions worth of weapons to Israel instead.These numbers do not support your claim that pro-Israel voters would turn on him at all.75% of Dems, 60% of Independents disapprove of Israel's action in Gaza:https://news.gallup.com/poll/642695/majority-disapprove-israeli-action-gaza.aspxMore specifically, this poll includes numbers on Biden's handling: 60% of non-white Dems disapprove, and 70% of Dems under the age of 45 (remember, these are the groups most likely to stay home!)https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-poll-biden-war-gaza-4159b28d313c6c37abdb7f14162bcdd1Half of Biden's voters believe Israel is committing genocide:https://www.businessinsider.com/half-biden-voters-israel-genocide-palestinians-gaza-poll-2024-1Cemith posted... </cite><quote>Biden would lose more support from them than support he would gain from preventing what's happening in Palestine. At least, that's how it reads to me.</quote>You have been shouting up and down that Biden doesn't need to appeal to voters. That Trump's fascism should be enough to convince voters. That protesters should just accept that genocide is inevitable and vote anyway.Why is that a valid argument to use against anti-genocide voters... but not against the people who want the killings to continue? Would the pro-IDF people risk losing Biden the vote just because he presses Israel for human rights? Would they sacrifice LGBT rights in America just because not enough Palestinian children were bombed? Just tell them they need to hold their nose and vote anyway, and include all the usual threats of Trump's fascism. --- In dentibus anticis frustum magnum spinaciae habes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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