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UnrivaledKoopa posted...

The war will end when Hamas is no longer in power in Gaza, whether that happens through fighting to the last man, or surrender. Only when Gaza is ruled by a PA-UN joint venture with international peacekeepers can the rebuilding truly begin. The sooner that happens, the better for the survivors within Gaza's borders.

"The war will end?" It's been a deliberate and systematic attempt at genocide since about October 12 and all the Jewish ministers and officials started saying there are no innocents in Gaza and 4-yo kids are radicalized hamas members.

What you mean to say is the genocide won't end until there is no Gaza or Palestinians. Because that's Netanyahu's stated goal: that he will invade every inch of Palestinian land until "hamas is defeated," keeping in mind that Netanyahu and his allies consider every male in Palestine (older than 4) a member of hamas.

If Palestine needs to have its autonomy stripped and co-piloted by a UN org, then Israel has it coming, too. If you can't trust one group of genocidal radicals to respect borders and right to exist without a referee can you really trust the other genocidal radicals (see above statements made on international TV for evidence) to respect borders and a right to exist?

Also, and I know you've been called out for this already, but, "Survivors?" The hell is wrong with you, saying something like that?

Modifier posted...

Israel can't beat Hamas with the use of force unless they intend to kill every palestinian. At this point, every palestinian is a potential member of Hamas. Even in the west bank. I mean, imagine what you would want to do if your were put in their shoes. Peace? What kind of peace can there possibly be now?

Especially the kids. And the women. Who are enduring famine. Without shelter, because their shelters keep getting bombed.

I get your point, but I don't see where hamas is going to get much of a fighting force, let alone bolster waning numbers with the populace in the condition its in now.

The sheer volume of casualties and loss of any infrastructure visible by satellite... has kind of achieved Israel's stated goal of defeating hamas. There's not enough left to support or sustain a terrorist organization in the long-term.

At best, they'll be toothless for a generation. Which is a good thing. That's a generation to try and unlearn hate and bring peace to the region. Or at least between the two countries. (Palestine should be a country. Two states. The solution has always been two states.)

s0nicfan posted...

I also don't know how "for every one hostage we return you'll give us 50 prisoners and also you'll leave and also rebuild and also we get to stay in power and also lift your blockade against us" is generous in any way to Israel.

The alternative would be war crimes and crimes against humanity charges for all of Israel's ruling elite, and the results of a conviction... and that would leave Israel rudderless with a political fallout and power vacuum.

Palestine could demand that. And refuse to acknowledge Israel's existence (even if they accepted the '68 Palestinian borders, it still wouldn't be recognition of Israel). And also no cease fire.

So, a prisoner trade that gets Israel alleged recognition, Israel the ability to withdraw without taking more casualties, and an end to rockets into settlements in a sustainable calm... is pretty generous coming from the victims (Palestinians, not hamas; hamas aren't victims) of their violence and genocide campaign.

tl;dr - Israel gets off easy if their leadership isn't in the Hague and they're allowed to withdraw without too much egg on their face