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Seanchan posted...

that's not really the context of my statement there. political talking point of the democrats has been pro immigration and it's to get the latino voterbase. that becomes less relevant over time because people settle in, generations happen, and the more conservative values override that.

Basically, once the immigrants no longer consider themselves immigrants, they get on that "fuck you, I got mine" bandwagon?

honestly i don't think that's the case for most. for those who came in illegally, became legal, and are then closing the door yeah, that's the only category who really experience this. for the rest, that just never comes up: second and third gen are just straight up legal, raised here, and not immigrants at all. if you're a first gen who came in legally or were an actual refugees, anything involving caravans or illegal immigration won't be relevant, that's not the door you took so it's not the one you're slamming. for legal migrants who feel that way towards other legal ones then yeah, same hypocrisy.

the main transition i'd say is why immigration was the issue for latinos in the past and i'd put it straight back to the conservative values: religion and family. so let's take that first gen of 40 years ago: the standard was something like the man comes to the US to get a paycheck here to send back to his family in a third world hispanic country. he's also actively trying to get them here, legally or not, so that he can be with his family - law's not the concern, just the immigration is. related to this, freedom to work and the status of the economy, since there's no point being here if the paycheck ain't significantly higher value.

over time enough of this happened, they had kids, and those kids had kids. 3+ generations in, the immigration concern is fully removed. their family is here now, maybe they've got cousins or something to send money back to, but at that point all they care about is still freedom to work (which will also evolve to other "freedoms" we're used to in the US) and the economy. this is while still being a family first, religious culture, so on all ends they'll trend conservative. any messaging that targets immigration no longer works on them because they've effectively "grown out" of it. for everybody else, they never really were a target of it, maybe the second gen saw some of it but what they primarily saw were legal processes, so illegal immigration rhetoric won't work well on them. i wouldn't put either as they "shut the door" as much as it's "their primary value is still the same and they aren't the target."