Board 8 > Wow, sometimes dubs really are better than the originals.

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Anagram 05/19/12 4:12:00 PM #1:	Mew's speech to Mewtwo is different in the Japanese version. In the English version, Mew gives a speech about how real strength comes from the heart, whereas in the Japanese version, Mew declares that all unnatural life (ie, clones) are inferior to the originals, and thus should perish What the hell, Mew. You were supposed to be cool. -- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 <cite>Anagram posted [p:1167970] in Wow, somet... [t:62853674]...</cite> <quote> Mew's speech to Mewtwo is different in the Japanese version. In the English version, Mew gives a speech about how real strength comes from the heart, whereas in the Japanese version, Mew declares that all unnatural life (ie, clones) are inferior to the originals, and thus should perishWhat the hell, Mew. You were supposed to be cool. -- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig.Started: July 6, 2005 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 05/19/12 4:15:00 PM #2:	Well, I don't know if I'd consider the "dub" better in a case where it completely changes the meaning of the original statement, even if the original statement sucks. -- "Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!" "Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!" <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:1167971] in Wow, somet... [t:62853674]...</cite> <quote> Well, I don't know if I'd consider the "dub" better in a case where it completely changes the meaning of the original statement, even if the original statement sucks. -- "Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!""Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 05/19/12 4:20:00 PM #3:	*LeonhartFour posted...* Well, I don't know if I'd consider the "dub" better in a case where it completely changes the meaning of the original statement, even if the original statement sucks. You can change something and have it be better, you know. What if Mew's original speech was "HEY KIDS GO BUY SOME F**ING MERCHANDISE RIGHT NOW." -- SEP Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996* Step FOUR! Get Paid! http://img.imgcake.com/stevenashgifpu.gif <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:1167972] in Wow, somet... [t:62853674]...</cite> <quote> LeonhartFour posted...Well, I don't know if I'd consider the "dub" better in a case where it completely changes the meaning of the original statement, even if the original statement sucks.You can change something and have it be better, you know.What if Mew's original speech was "HEY KIDS GO BUY SOME F***ING MERCHANDISE RIGHT NOW." -- SEP Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996Step FOUR! Get Paid! http://img.imgcake.com/stevenashgifpu.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 05/19/12 4:49:00 PM #4:	Well, you can have it be better in the sense of "that's a slightly less stupid thing to say," sure. But part of the purpose of a dub is to communicate the message of the original language. You don't necessarily have to do a transliteration to accomplish that purpose. You can even change some stuff around a bit, like how Maya loves burgers instead of ramen in the English translation of Phoenix Wright, because you're adapting it for another culture while still retaining the original point, but it'd be stupid if you had Maya go from saying she loves ramen in the Japanese to saying she hates it in English because that's not the original point. But whatever. -- http://i.minus.com/iH9vIGOBoyTQ2.gif <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:1167973] in Wow, somet... [t:62853674]...</cite> <quote> Well, you can have it be better in the sense of "that's a slightly less stupid thing to say," sure. But part of the purpose of a dub is to communicate the message of the original language. You don't necessarily have to do a transliteration to accomplish that purpose. You can even change some stuff around a bit, like how Maya loves burgers instead of ramen in the English translation of Phoenix Wright, because you're adapting it for another culture while still retaining the original point, but it'd be stupid if you had Maya go from saying she loves ramen in the Japanese to saying she hates it in English because that's not the original point. But whatever. -- http://i.minus.com/iH9vIGOBoyTQ2.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
agesboy 05/19/12 4:49:00 PM #5:	ibltm and ghost stories -- http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2hsv6ataW1qfu8w8o1_1280.jpg KrahenProphet and Kana are on opposite ends of the Awesome Spectrum. <cite>agesboy posted [p:1167974] in Wow, somet... [t:62853674]...</cite> <quote> ibltm and ghost stories -- http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2hsv6ataW1qfu8w8o1_1280.jpgKrahenProphet and Kana are on opposite ends of the Awesome Spectrum. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Takfloyd_mkII__ 05/19/12 4:51:00 PM #6:	Out of all the ways the Pokemon movie got neutered and censored outside of Japan, this is hardly the worst. <cite>Takfloyd_mkII__ posted [p:1167975] in Wow, somet... [t:62853674]...</cite> <quote> Out of all the ways the Pokemon movie got neutered and censored outside of Japan, this is hardly the worst. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 05/19/12 4:54:00 PM #7:	*LeonhartFour posted...* Well, you can have it be better in the sense of "that's a slightly less stupid thing to say," sure. But part of the purpose of a dub is to communicate the message of the original language. You don't necessarily have to do a transliteration to accomplish that purpose. You can even change some stuff around a bit, like how Maya loves burgers instead of ramen in the English translation of Phoenix Wright, because you're adapting it for another culture while still retaining the original point, but it'd be stupid if you had Maya go from saying she loves ramen in the Japanese to saying she hates it in English because that's not the original point. But whatever. I don't feel it's the job of the dub to communicate the original message. I think it's the job of the dub to make the message more accessible/better to its new audience. You shouldn't keep something the same if it's going to not make sense or offend the new audience. And I'm pretty sure Mew saying "YOU SUCK YOU SHOULD F**ING DIE YOU FAKER" wouldn't be good. -- SEP Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996* Step FOUR! Get Paid! http://img.imgcake.com/stevenashgifpu.gif <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:1167976] in Wow, somet... [t:62853674]...</cite> <quote> LeonhartFour posted...Well, you can have it be better in the sense of "that's a slightly less stupid thing to say," sure. But part of the purpose of a dub is to communicate the message of the original language. You don't necessarily have to do a transliteration to accomplish that purpose. You can even change some stuff around a bit, like how Maya loves burgers instead of ramen in the English translation of Phoenix Wright, because you're adapting it for another culture while still retaining the original point, but it'd be stupid if you had Maya go from saying she loves ramen in the Japanese to saying she hates it in English because that's not the original point. But whatever.I don't feel it's the job of the dub to communicate the original message. I think it's the job of the dub to make the message more accessible/better to its new audience. You shouldn't keep something the same if it's going to not make sense or offend the new audience.And I'm pretty sure Mew saying "YOU SUCK YOU SHOULD F***ING DIE YOU FAKER" wouldn't be good. -- SEP Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996Step FOUR! Get Paid! http://img.imgcake.com/stevenashgifpu.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackMetalex 05/19/12 4:55:00 PM #8:	I'd say that Yu-gi-oh is better dubbed for the most part. The original Japanese versions take themselves too seriously. <cite>BlackMetalex posted [p:1167977] in Wow, somet... [t:62853674]...</cite> <quote> I'd say that Yu-gi-oh is better dubbed for the most part. The original Japanese versions take themselves too seriously. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Emporer_Kazbar 05/19/12 4:56:00 PM #9:	From: LeonhartFour \| #004 You can even change some stuff around a bit, like how Maya loves burgers instead of ramen in the English translation of Phoenix Wright, because you're adapting it for another culture while still retaining the original point, but it'd be stupid if you had Maya go from saying she loves ramen in the Japanese to saying she hates it in English because that's not the original point. Except in this example Mew would have talked about how clones are great in the English version, and how they're superior to the original versions. -- Will not remove this line of my signature until the Seahawks, Jazz or Rockies win a title (Started 5-16-09) SuperNiceDog: Guru winner <cite>Emporer_Kazbar posted [p:1167978] in Wow, somet... [t:62853674]...</cite> <quote> From: LeonhartFour \| #004You can even change some stuff around a bit, like how Maya loves burgers instead of ramen in the English translation of Phoenix Wright, because you're adapting it for another culture while still retaining the original point, but it'd be stupid if you had Maya go from saying she loves ramen in the Japanese to saying she hates it in English because that's not the original point.Except in this example Mew would have talked about how clones are great in the English version, and how they're superior to the original versions. -- Will not remove this line of my signature until the Seahawks, Jazz or Rockies win a title (Started 5-16-09)SuperNiceDog: Guru winner </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 05/19/12 4:59:00 PM #10:	Well, it doesn't have to be the polar opposite in order for the message to be changed. That was just the first example that came to mind. "Real strength comes from the heart" and "Clones suck kthnxdie" are two different messages. Edit: Although I suppose if he had said "Real strength comes from real hearts," that would be somewhat acceptable, albeit a bit too Kingdom Hearts-ish. -- http://i.minus.com/iH9vIGOBoyTQ2.gif <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:1167979] in Wow, somet... [t:62853674]...</cite> <quote> Well, it doesn't have to be the polar opposite in order for the message to be changed. That was just the first example that came to mind."Real strength comes from the heart" and "Clones suck kthnxdie" are two different messages.Edit: Although I suppose if he had said "Real strength comes from real hearts," that would be somewhat acceptable, albeit a bit too Kingdom Hearts-ish. -- http://i.minus.com/iH9vIGOBoyTQ2.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlphaRayAllen 05/19/12 5:00:00 PM #11:	From: StealThisSheen \| #007 I don't feel it's the job of the dub to communicate the original message. I think it's the job of the dub to make the message more accessible/better to its new audience. You shouldn't keep something the same if it's going to not make sense or offend the new audience. And I'm pretty sure Mew saying "YOU SUCK YOU SHOULD F**ING DIE YOU FAKER" wouldn't be good. It depends on how acceptable the message is to a culture, I guess. Like, any messages promoting the idea of inferior beings existing would get s*** on* by an American audience. That just doesn't fly in this country. For all I know, the Japanese are more accepting of a "know your role and shut your mouth" moral. -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] <cite>AlphaRayAllen posted [p:1167980] in Wow, somet... [t:62853674]...</cite> <quote> From: StealThisSheen \| #007I don't feel it's the job of the dub to communicate the original message. I think it's the job of the dub to make the message more accessible/better to its new audience. You shouldn't keep something the same if it's going to not make sense or offend the new audience.And I'm pretty sure Mew saying "YOU SUCK YOU SHOULD F*ING DIE YOU FAKER" wouldn't be good.It depends on how acceptable the message is to a culture, I guess.Like, any messages promoting the idea of inferior beings existing would get s* on by an American audience. That just doesn't fly in this country.For all I know, the Japanese are more accepting of a "know your role and shut your mouth" moral. -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo[NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Emporer_Kazbar 05/19/12 5:00:00 PM #12:	From: LeonhartFour \| #010 Well, it doesn't have to be the polar opposite in order for the message to be changed. That was just the first example that came to mind. "Real strength comes from the heart" and "Clones suck kthnxdie" are two different messages. Right, but the example you used DID use the polar opposite. So that was the insinuation. Besides, this thread isn't about how dubs should translate the messages of their original tracks, it's about how dubs can be better. And I think in this case the dub is objectively better. -- Will not remove this line of my signature until the Seahawks, Jazz or Rockies win a title (Started 5-16-09) SuperNiceDog: Guru winner <cite>Emporer_Kazbar posted [p:1167981] in Wow, somet... [t:62853674]...</cite> <quote> From: LeonhartFour \| #010Well, it doesn't have to be the polar opposite in order for the message to be changed. That was just the first example that came to mind."Real strength comes from the heart" and "Clones suck kthnxdie" are two different messages.Right, but the example you used DID use the polar opposite. So that was the insinuation.Besides, this thread isn't about how dubs should translate the messages of their original tracks, it's about how dubs can be better. And I think in this case the dub is objectively better. -- Will not remove this line of my signature until the Seahawks, Jazz or Rockies win a title (Started 5-16-09)SuperNiceDog: Guru winner </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 05/19/12 5:01:00 PM #13:	Well, I was arguing whether a dub could really be considered "better" if it changes the meaning entirely. But hey, to each his own. MGS has always been better in English, so I'm not sure why this topic needs to be made 15 years after we already knew this. -- http://i.minus.com/iH9vIGOBoyTQ2.gif <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:1167982] in Wow, somet... [t:62853674]...</cite> <quote> Well, I was arguing whether a dub could really be considered "better" if it changes the meaning entirely. But hey, to each his own. MGS has always been better in English, so I'm not sure why this topic needs to be made 15 years after we already knew this. -- http://i.minus.com/iH9vIGOBoyTQ2.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuessMyUserName 05/19/12 5:01:00 PM #14:	but the English version is better thank god for the English change imho -- "I couldn't handle all of the bullying" - Zea_Destroyer <cite>GuessMyUserName posted [p:1167983] in Wow, somet... [t:62853674]...</cite> <quote> but the English version is betterthank god for the English change imho -- "I couldn't handle all of the bullying" - Zea_Destroyer </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Emporer_Kazbar 05/19/12 5:03:00 PM #15:	From: LeonhartFour \| #013 Well, I was arguing whether a dub could really be considered "better" if it changes the meaning entirely. But hey, to each his own. MGS has always been better in English, so I'm not sure why this topic needs to be made 15 years after we already knew this. Not to mention you'd think a topic like this would have been made somewhere when the actual movie came out. Anyway, once again, MGS proves points and ends minor arguments. All is right with the world. -- Will not remove this line of my signature until the Seahawks, Jazz or Rockies win a title (Started 5-16-09) SuperNiceDog: Guru winner <cite>Emporer_Kazbar posted [p:1167984] in Wow, somet... [t:62853674]...</cite> <quote> From: LeonhartFour \| #013Well, I was arguing whether a dub could really be considered "better" if it changes the meaning entirely. But hey, to each his own. MGS has always been better in English, so I'm not sure why this topic needs to be made 15 years after we already knew this.Not to mention you'd think a topic like this would have been made somewhere when the actual movie came out.Anyway, once again, MGS proves points and ends minor arguments. All is right with the world. -- Will not remove this line of my signature until the Seahawks, Jazz or Rockies win a title (Started 5-16-09)SuperNiceDog: Guru winner </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
saveus_Maria 05/19/12 5:04:00 PM #16:	dumbest argument ever -- there's a place beyond that gate, a place where you can get away http://i.imgur.com/2HInn.jpg <cite>saveus_Maria posted [p:1167985] in Wow, somet... [t:62853674]...</cite> <quote> dumbest argument ever -- there's a place beyond that gate, a place where you can get awayhttp://i.imgur.com/2HInn.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlphaRayAllen 05/19/12 5:11:00 PM #17:	From: LeonhartFour \| #013 Well, I was arguing whether a dub could really be considered "better" if it changes the meaning entirely. I can think of a counter example, unless we have different standards for the word "meaning." Fire Emblem 9/10 spoilers, because mods In the Japanese version of of the story of FE9/10, the Black Knight's loss to Ike in their duel was excused by a malfunction of his warp powder that he uses. The process screwed up and teleported his body but left his soul behind, weakening him significantly and letting Ike get the upper hand. Sound's stupid because it is stupid. Which is why the localization team changed it so that the Black Knight let Ike win, because Ike lets it slip that his father had slashed the tendons in his sword hand and effectively nerfed himself. The detail of the Black Knight wanting to best Greil always existed, and the Black Knight never knew this. The translation incorporates this into the story by having him throw his match with Ike in hopes that he will grow to surpass his father in strength, and duel his master by proxy. Which do you think is the better version? Certainly neither of these are at all alike. I know that a lot of people haven't played either of these games, but I hope you get the point. -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] <cite>AlphaRayAllen posted [p:1167986] in Wow, somet... [t:62853674]...</cite> <quote> From: LeonhartFour \| #013Well, I was arguing whether a dub could really be considered "better" if it changes the meaning entirely.I can think of a counter example, unless we have different standards for the word "meaning."Fire Emblem 9/10 spoilers, because modsIn the Japanese version of of the story of FE9/10, the Black Knight's loss to Ike in their duel was excused by a malfunction of his warp powder that he uses. The process screwed up and teleported his body but left his soul behind, weakening him significantly and letting Ike get the upper hand. Sound's stupid because it is stupid.Which is why the localization team changed it so that the Black Knight let Ike win, because Ike lets it slip that his father had slashed the tendons in his sword hand and effectively nerfed himself. The detail of the Black Knight wanting to best Greil always existed, and the Black Knight never knew this. The translation incorporates this into the story by having him throw his match with Ike in hopes that he will grow to surpass his father in strength, and duel his master by proxy.Which do you think is the better version? Certainly neither of these are at all alike.I know that a lot of people haven't played either of these games, but I hope you get the point. -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo[NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HanOfTheNekos 05/19/12 5:28:00 PM #18:	I agree with Bio. -- 'Two of the six slides at six flags I assume that is why it is named that for six being its slide number. ' - Whiskey Nick <cite>HanOfTheNekos posted [p:1167987] in Wow, somet... [t:62853674]...</cite> <quote> I agree with Bio. -- 'Two of the six slides at six flags I assume that is why it is named that for six being its slide number. ' - Whiskey Nick </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
swirIdude 05/19/12 5:29:00 PM #19:	This topic has a fatal flaw. The dub misidentifies Pidgeot and Sandslash. -- "The people who play Final Fantasy 7 actually have lives and dont NEED polls" ~MajinUltima SuperNiceDog: Bracket: Good, Taste: Bad <cite>swirIdude posted [p:1167988] in Wow, somet... [t:62853674]...</cite> <quote> This topic has a fatal flaw.The dub misidentifies Pidgeot and Sandslash. -- "The people who play Final Fantasy 7 actually have lives and dont NEED polls" ~MajinUltimaSuperNiceDog: Bracket: Good, Taste: Bad </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuessMyUserName 05/19/12 5:52:00 PM #20:	also this topic made me watch this again rolling sandwich the best -- Miyamoto: [cats] are kind of like girls. If they come and talk to you it's great. But if you try to talk to them it doesn't always go so well <cite>GuessMyUserName posted [p:1167989] in Wow, somet... [t:62853674]...</cite> <quote> also this topic made me watch this againrolling sandwich the best -- Miyamoto: [cats] are kind of like girls. If they come and talk to you it's great. But if you try to talk to them it doesn't always go so well </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anagram 05/19/12 7:23:00 PM #21:	*GuessMyUserName posted...* also this topic made me watch this again rolling sandwich the best I love these. -- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 <cite>Anagram posted [p:1167990] in Wow, somet... [t:62853674]...</cite> <quote> GuessMyUserName posted...also this topic made me watch this againrolling sandwich the bestI love these. -- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig.Started: July 6, 2005 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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