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KujikawaRising
08/09/17 2:24:21 PM
#302:


I say "Last year's" in regards to the one I am watching because some people say it's season one because "the actual first two are non-canon" and some say it's season three for the opposite reason. I don't want to get involved.

StormTR posted...
For as much as I would think that every Survivor episode should have a vote off in it, I'll admit that I'm fine with the first episode and the merge episode not having one because if the first vote off and merge vote off takes 2 episodes, then it lets you see a lot more about what leads to the result.

I'd rather the premiere and merge episodes be an hour and a half or two hours for the same reason. Not double episodes, but a 90- or 120-minute episode just to get to one boot.

But there's no reason to have something like this at the final six. They were building up so much strategy talk, only for it to all come crashing down because they did a reward challenge instead of voting people out. I'm impressed with how Matt is handling this. Sam is as clueless as always. Not only is he a douchebag, he's a terrible player. Matt... it took him way too long to wake up after being a sheep for so long. He was at Brooke's whims - he was 7th in "The Alliance" (would be voted out before Kristie, "a non-threat" lulz) but that changed when Brooke felt more threatened by Lee and El. He did nothing when two jurors told him that he was at the bottom of the alliance. His placement improving had nothing to do with his own actions but rather the fact that the others saw him as a goat. That is not how you win Survivor. Once the jury thinks you're a goat, you will always be one unless you leave your fingerprints all over a big move. And that might make you a "threat." Such complexities are why I love Survivor.

I'll watch the next season once I finish this one.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
08/09/17 3:55:38 PM
#303:


I'm 2 episodes into the current one. Really liking it. No one I actively dislike at this point. A bunch of invisibles, but that's not a big deal. Very interesting first two tribals.
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Inviso
08/09/17 8:21:24 PM
#304:


Man, fuck you Paul. Don't spit in the face of Doctor Who too.
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Centurion
08/09/17 8:26:55 PM
#305:


What a waste of a temptation.
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08/09/17 8:28:59 PM
#306:


Christmas is a bitch, but there's something hilarious about her riding around on her little scooter throughout all of this.
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08/09/17 9:03:45 PM
#307:


they all bitches and bastards
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BakusaiTenketsu
08/09/17 9:04:27 PM
#308:


How are we like 50 days into this game with only 5 people evicted. This season needs like 3 back to back double evictions.
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eaedwards6400
08/09/17 9:16:38 PM
#309:


My wife says Matt is her favorite because he doesn't do anything.
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BlueCrystalTear
08/09/17 11:26:31 PM
#310:


I gave up caring about BB19 this week because this cast is made up of people I don't like (Paul, Raven, Josh, Alex, Christmas, Cody), people who barely exist (Matt), and people who I am too torn about to invest in due to their good actions being outweighed by their bad (Jessica, Kevin, Mark, Elena, Whistle-Nut).

At this point, it's like BB15 all over again, but I am more indifferent toward this group as opposed to infuriated. I do hope that we get a fun comeuppance-fest in the coming few weeks, because my apathy right now isn't helping.
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eaedwards6400
08/09/17 11:53:49 PM
#311:


What has Mark and Kevin done wrong
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KujikawaRising
08/10/17 11:40:00 AM
#312:


eaedwards6400 posted...
What has Mark and Kevin done wrong

Nothing anywhere near on the level of the others. Kevin participated in the fracas against Jody. While Mark... is kind of a dink. I mean, him playing the Veto on himself was considered by the house to be one of the stupidest moves in Big Brother history. What does that tell you?
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mnkboy907
08/10/17 12:39:18 PM
#313:


It tells you that the houseguests are idiots for thinking Mark using it is really a big deal.
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Squirrelgate
08/10/17 1:05:13 PM
#314:


This season has possibly the worst set of game players I've ever seen. Everyone except Paul is abysmal in at least one of the three main areas (physical/strategic/social). I'm really glad I don't watch this show for the strategy (although considering the strategy fans enjoyed BB16, maybe Paul's dominance would make this season enjoyable somehow)

I know it's still pretty early but I see this season falling ahead of all the universally panned modern seasons but behind the more mixed reception seasons like 11/13/14/17.
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KujikawaRising
08/10/17 1:51:18 PM
#315:


mnkboy907 posted...
It tells you that the houseguests are idiots for thinking Mark using it is really a big deal.

Yes, that's exactly what I was asking about. They're complete morons for thinking Mark sparing himself from potential execution (in case of a flip) was a dumb idea. Marcellas wrote that part of the Big Brother Manifesto: If you win Veto and you're on the block, use the damn thing on yourself or you'll be evicted. Because he made one of the dumbest moves ever by NOT using it on himself and getting evicted by a conniving but brilliant manipulator, Danielle Reyes (so robbed).

But yeah, I'm with Squirrel... this cast SUCKS at the game. Jessica could've saved herself, but by ostracizing herself through disassociation and doing tricks with her fingers, she enlarged the target on herself leading to even Josh changing his mind as to who he wanted out. Instead, she and Cody should've copped a deal with Paul. "You know that once we're gone, you're the biggest threat here, right? You protect us this week and they'll keep coming for us. One of us is guaranteed to go before you and we accept that. And we promise that if we get HOH in the next 3-4 evictions, you're not going up." That would get Paul's attention. An offer for one of them to throw themselves on the sword for him if he protects them? AND an offer to not nominate him for three weeks (including a DE)? Music to his ears. But nope, Jessica only gave everyone reasons to get rid of her.

Raven is a piece of shit who plays the victim. If she breaks a nail, suddenly it's infected and someone needs to help her. Her entire life is a pity party and she's trying to get people to "feel bad for her" but, thankfully, it's no longer working because everyone else sees how one-note she is. She's like Danielle Murphree or Princess Victoria, but those two were feeds gold. Raven is not.

It's really Jess, Cody, and Raven that baffle me the most about how bad they are at the game. The rest of them... aren't much better. Multiple people have crashed and burned once they got nominated (Dominique, Elena) or ignore alliances entirely (Ramses). Since I'm team "fun feeds" I am enjoying the trainwreck, but I am missing that vested rooting interest in anyone. That is my issue. I like someone to get behind, y'know?
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eaedwards6400
08/10/17 2:22:10 PM
#316:


I am praying that these guys will break out "once they make jury" but they wont.
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eaedwards6400
08/10/17 3:31:42 PM
#317:


RHAP did a podcast casting an all stats Survivor HUH.

The thing they said that interested me more though is that there is a category of players of that their presence on the beach should have them voted out early. The names they mentioned were Tony, Sandra, and Cutie. Who else would you say belongs in that group. Top of my head says Boston Rob and Russell
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BlueCrystalTear
08/10/17 8:42:53 PM
#318:


eaedwards6400 posted...
Cutie

Who is this? Cirie? If so... my, you have some explaining to do to H.B. >_>

Tony, Sandra, Cirie, Boston Rob, Parvati... and RHAP's own Rob Cesternino would all get voted out early just for wearing a buff. All legendary for how they played the game. And the reason why several of them have said they won't return to the show is just that: They'd be gone early by reputation alone.

Other notable hall of famers:
Rupert is legendary for his polarizing personality - he's a provider, too, and not known for strategy.
Ozzy is also a provider and is an asset at pre-merge challenges, plus is the perfect meat shield.
Amanda hasn't played in years and, despite holding the streak of 108 days before being voted out, could do her thing again.
Jonny Fairplay's "my grandma died" lie is the stuff of legends now, but everybody playing hard would consider to promise on something meaningful to them. I doubt his reputation precedes him.
Cochran is a clear production pet and they would refuse to let him go early.
Kim Spradlin only played once and is not as easily recognizable. If it was all veterans, they'd be scared of her, but she could still play them. I'd say her chances of making a merge at 13 are better than several others.

Just rattling off people that come to mind here...
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08/10/17 9:10:56 PM
#319:


"I may have ESPN or something"
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ImTheMacheteGuy
08/10/17 9:21:02 PM
#320:


I fucking hate to say it, but Josh actually did look better in that whole thing.
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Xuxon
08/10/17 9:22:34 PM
#321:


in that one subsection of time, yeah Josh looked better. but then he ruined it again.
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08/10/17 9:24:05 PM
#322:


yeah I think Josh definitely looked better. Cody just starts swearing and name-calling out of nowhere.
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08/10/17 9:24:33 PM
#323:


but really, they all suck except Kevin
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08/10/17 9:27:12 PM
#324:


shots fired
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ImTheMacheteGuy
08/10/17 9:28:21 PM
#325:


Xuxon posted...
in that one subsection of time, yeah Josh looked better. but then he ruined it again.


At that point, I can understand his bullshit. He really was trying to reassure Jessica and she and Cody both threw it right back in face and really hit below the belt. For all the c***y things he's been doing, they took it too far and he really seemed like he was taking the right approach with them. Naturally he'd be upset about shit getting that personal. They didn't have to go that far. I'm not surprised it pissed him off enough to go back to his bullshit. I honestly don't blame him. I haven't seen the feeds, so I don't know if he was really being genuine there, but it did seem like it to me.

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08/10/17 9:37:41 PM
#326:


julie doing her best jeff probst impression

"you're wiping away tears, what are human emotions?"
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Inviso
08/10/17 9:43:32 PM
#327:


The fucked up thing is...as much as I hate her for burying herself deep within Paul's anus, Alex is more justified in hating Jess than Jess is in hating Alex. Jess is just...she's such a self-centered bitch and she's only even remotely enjoyable because she was out of power all season.
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08/10/17 9:48:13 PM
#328:


KujikawaRising posted...
mnkboy907 posted...
It tells you that the houseguests are idiots for thinking Mark using it is really a big deal.

Yes, that's exactly what I was asking about. They're complete morons for thinking Mark sparing himself from potential execution (in case of a flip) was a dumb idea. Marcellas wrote that part of the Big Brother Manifesto: If you win Veto and you're on the block, use the damn thing on yourself or you'll be evicted. Because he made one of the dumbest moves ever by NOT using it on himself and getting evicted by a conniving but brilliant manipulator, Danielle Reyes (so robbed).

But yeah, I'm with Squirrel... this cast SUCKS at the game. Jessica could've saved herself, but by ostracizing herself through disassociation and doing tricks with her fingers, she enlarged the target on herself leading to even Josh changing his mind as to who he wanted out. Instead, she and Cody should've copped a deal with Paul. "You know that once we're gone, you're the biggest threat here, right? You protect us this week and they'll keep coming for us. One of us is guaranteed to go before you and we accept that. And we promise that if we get HOH in the next 3-4 evictions, you're not going up." That would get Paul's attention. An offer for one of them to throw themselves on the sword for him if he protects them? AND an offer to not nominate him for three weeks (including a DE)? Music to his ears. But nope, Jessica only gave everyone reasons to get rid of her.

Raven is a piece of shit who plays the victim. If she breaks a nail, suddenly it's infected and someone needs to help her. Her entire life is a pity party and she's trying to get people to "feel bad for her" but, thankfully, it's no longer working because everyone else sees how one-note she is. She's like Danielle Murphree or Princess Victoria, but those two were feeds gold. Raven is not.

It's really Jess, Cody, and Raven that baffle me the most about how bad they are at the game. The rest of them... aren't much better. Multiple people have crashed and burned once they got nominated (Dominique, Elena) or ignore alliances entirely (Ramses). Since I'm team "fun feeds" I am enjoying the trainwreck, but I am missing that vested rooting interest in anyone. That is my issue. I like someone to get behind, y'know?


this doesnt quite answer the original question of what mark is doing that is wrong
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BlueCrystalTear
08/10/17 10:04:51 PM
#329:


GTM posted...
this doesnt quite answer the original question of what mark is doing that is wrong

I said he's kind of a dink, but I probably like him and Kevin the most right now.

Though the new HOH could be interesting... considering it's someone they were trying to get rid of in the next two weeks.
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Peridiam
08/11/17 12:04:04 AM
#330:


I'm rooting for Kevin, with Mark/Elena as replacements. Jason is OK, I guess. Matt is bland and inoffensive. He's the color gray, like his beard. Cody stands no chance and I just want him to take someone out instead of being a zzz expected target. I'm not rooting for or against him.

I am actively rooting against:
Paul
Christmas
Alex
Raven
Josh

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Peridiam
08/11/17 12:07:07 AM
#331:


Why is Elena so low on Jokers? Why do people dislike her so much? I guess she sucks on the feeds.
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mnkboy907
08/11/17 12:32:46 AM
#332:


Peridiam posted...
Why is Elena so low on Jokers? Why do people dislike her so much? I guess she sucks on the feeds.

They probably hate how she's been lied to and kept in the dark by Paul numerous times yet she still won't dare to break away from him.

BlueCrystalTear posted...
Though the new HOH could be interesting... considering it's someone they were trying to get rid of in the next two weeks.

I don't know what information you're going off of, but Paul legitimately wants Alex in the F3 with him (he cam talked about it), so Alex isn't going anywhere so long as Paul keeps control.
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08/12/17 3:02:52 AM
#333:


teutonicism
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mnkboy907
08/12/17 12:49:57 PM
#334:


Boring week ahead. Cody didn't win safety and didn't get picked to play in veto.
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Peridiam
08/12/17 12:53:18 PM
#335:


Par for the course. It's a bad season.
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BlueCrystalTear
08/12/17 12:58:35 PM
#336:


mnkboy907 posted...
BlueCrystalTear posted...
Though the new HOH could be interesting... considering it's someone they were trying to get rid of in the next two weeks.

I don't know what information you're going off of, but Paul legitimately wants Alex in the F3 with him (he cam talked about it), so Alex isn't going anywhere so long as Paul keeps control.

Must've been a mistranslation... as in, someone was lying to Jess and Cody that they were gunning for Alex next or something like that. I don't recall.

mnkboy907 posted...
Boring week ahead. Cody didn't win safety and didn't get picked to play in veto.

Why the hell are they gunning for Cody? He's got nobody! He could be a loyal vote if you protect him. This shows a lack of intelligence in Alex especially. This is the perfect time to get out someone with power. Cody has none and, if he won HOH, wouldn't he nominate Paul and Josh first? Sigh... so much for this season...
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mnkboy907
08/12/17 12:58:54 PM
#337:


Peridiam posted...
Par for the course. It's a bad season.

I had my hopes that Cody would win veto and pull Elena off, and then Cody/Mark/Elena could convince just one person (like Raven if she wasn't the replacement nominee) and then they'd evict Jason on Alex's watch.
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08/12/17 1:01:28 PM
#338:


BlueCrystalTear posted...
mnkboy907 posted...
BlueCrystalTear posted...
Though the new HOH could be interesting... considering it's someone they were trying to get rid of in the next two weeks.

I don't know what information you're going off of, but Paul legitimately wants Alex in the F3 with him (he cam talked about it), so Alex isn't going anywhere so long as Paul keeps control.

Must've been a mistranslation... as in, someone was lying to Jess and Cody that they were gunning for Alex next or something like that. I don't recall.

mnkboy907 posted...
Boring week ahead. Cody didn't win safety and didn't get picked to play in veto.

Why the hell are they gunning for Cody? He's got nobody! He could be a loyal vote if you protect him. This shows a lack of intelligence in Alex especially. This is the perfect time to get out someone with power. Cody has none and, if he won HOH, wouldn't he nominate Paul and Josh first? Sigh... so much for this season...

Alex wants to go to the end with Paul so why would she want to keep someone in who'd be targeting him? Cody thinks it's super dumb, though, since he was never going after Alex and wishes her all the best in this game.
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08/12/17 1:04:14 PM
#339:


Also, Kevin actually did try to rope Cody in for an alliance with Kevin/Paul/Alex/Jason, but all that accomplished was getting Paul/Alex/Jason angry at Kevin.
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BlueCrystalTear
08/12/17 10:50:31 PM
#340:


mnkboy907 posted...
Alex wants to go to the end with Paul so why would she want to keep someone in who'd be targeting him? Cody thinks it's super dumb, though, since he was never going after Alex and wishes her all the best in this game.

The problem is the rest of the house wants Cody gone, too. They have no reason to want him gone other than the pettiness Paul has tricked them into. If Paul's side doesn't want Cody, then Mark, Elena, Matt, and Raven should create a fivesome with Cody and evict Whistle-Nut (if he is still on the block). This will create two sides: One of the showmances and one with Paul, Alex, Josh, Kevin, and Whistle-Nut. Christmas might be a free agent.

Also Veto spoilers: Matt won Veto, but apparently since he's too stupid to know what show he's on, he's using the Veto on Whistle-Nut. I would adore it if this happens, then Cody, Mark, and Elena turn Paul's group against Matt.
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Inviso
08/12/17 11:14:33 PM
#342:


To be fair, since Matt is the third nominee via the Battle Back competition, if he used the veto on himself, it would leave Elena and Jason on the block with Cody unable to be evicted. So I do understand Matt not wanting to pull himself off with the veto.
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mnkboy907
08/12/17 11:33:32 PM
#343:


Yeah, it's the exact same thing as when they got mad at Ramses for almost winning veto when he was the third nominee in the second week (when coincidentally they were also trying to backdoor Cody). Matt literally said today that Cody going this week is huge since it means Paul possibly won't have to be nominated until the F5 or so. Matt pretty much cares more about Paul's game than his own. As much as I'd like to see something crazy like Cody/Mark/Matt/Raven banding together to evict Jason on Alex's watch, that just 100% is not happening. There's like a 2% chance of the target changing to Elena, but lol Paul won't let that happen either.
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StormTR
08/13/17 12:37:05 AM
#344:


As somebody who doesn't watch this, wtf is "Whistle-nut"?
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mnkboy907
08/13/17 12:41:03 AM
#345:


I think it's Jason's rodeo clown name. It's on his shirts, anyway.
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08/13/17 12:42:12 AM
#346:


i figured it must be Jason because every other person was mentioned by name in that post. and then of course the clown thing would explain why.
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BlueCrystalTear
08/13/17 2:02:19 AM
#347:


mnkboy907 posted...
I think it's Jason's rodeo clown name. It's on his shirts, anyway.

This exactly.

mnkboy907 posted...
Matt literally said today that Cody going this week is huge since it means Paul possibly won't have to be nominated until the F5 or so. Matt pretty much cares more about Paul's game than his own.

This is also the guy who convinced the other morons in the house that Mark using the Veto on himself was "one of the dumbest moves in Big Brother history" so of course he's not going to use the Veto on himself. Just how stupid can one guy be? He's basically like Jason Siska... and would also think a fucking stick is an idol >_>
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08/13/17 10:44:40 AM
#348:


It looks like a censored nude scene on tv in here
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Xuxon
08/13/17 8:12:14 PM
#349:


anyone know when this will start? golf ran late today, so everything was pushed back.
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Inviso
08/13/17 8:58:11 PM
#350:


It's gotten to the point where I haven't even been able to root for Jess and Cody the past two weeks, because they're terrible in their only role as underdogs.
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Peridiam
08/13/17 9:21:11 PM
#351:


As I was saying weeks ago, Jess & Cody are not good TV. They suck tremendously at BB too.

But then you get Christmas, Alex, Paul, Josh, Matt, and Raven on the other side, and you're between a rock and a hard place.

Mark, Elena, Jason, and Kevin are okay. Jason tries way too hard and it's kinda cringe, Mark is a doofus and doesn't seem to understand how to play, Elena isn't particularly likable but in this cast she gets a bump. And Kevin is pretty good, not too much to say there. Maybe he'll win.
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Peridiam
08/13/17 9:36:28 PM
#352:


I'm predicting Mark goes out in the double eviction.

What are the odds Cody & Jess return next year?
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