Poll of the Day > The Nazis were not white supremacists.

(+) Yeah! (+)

They liked Japanese and Chinese people but hated eastern Europeans

They were still evil because they killed Jewish people, gays and romani
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They didn't like Japanese and Chinese. They held them as temporary allies so they could defeat the Western allied front. Once they dispatched of that enemy they were going to turn on them too. They were considered "honorary aryans" only for convienience and wartime tactical purposes.

Between your post and SmokeMassTree thinking the Nazi party and the German army were the same thing I'm starting to think no one paid attention in history class.

Oh and add Ferrari thinking the Nazis brought anti semitism to the Middle East too that's a good one.
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Jen0125 posted...

the Nazi party and the German army were the same thing

People are actually rewriting history so this is true. Everyone on the losing side was evil, and everyone on the winning side was righteous.
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Jen0125 posted...

They didn't like Japanese and Chinese. They held them as temporary allies so they could defeat the Western allied front. Once they dispatched of that enemy they were going to turn on them too. They were considered "honorary aryans" only for convienience and wartime tactical purposes.

Between your post and SmokeMassTree thinking the Nazi party and the German army were the same thing I'm starting to think no one paid attention in history class.

Oh and add Ferrari thinking the Nazis brought anti semitism to the Middle East too that's a good one.

https://www.thevintagenews.com/2017/03/18/hitler-saw-china-and-japan-as-equals-to-germany-and-even-wrote-admiringly-i-admit-freely-that-their-history-is-superior-to-our-own/

Hittler saw them as Equals, He even said their previous history was superior to germans interracial marriage was not frowned upon as much as whit other races,high ranking Nazi officials removed restrictions lower ranking officilas placed on Japanese and Chinese, Top Nazi officials liked East asian Art and folk tales, Samurais etc

@Jen0125

They did like them. Which is why It's funny when Neo nazi guys why polish or Russian last names were ghating on asians when 60 years ago they would have been the ones being attacked
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You want me to take your source of some time of "vintage news blog" as a trusted source over the various actual history books I've read in my life regarding the Holocaust and World War II? No thanks. I'm good.
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Yeah the whole Aryan thing was based on a false historical hypothesis and not actual genetics or skin colour. I believe Nazism had no issues with the Japanese.

Jen0125 posted...

You want me to take your source of some time of "vintage news blog" as a trusted source over the various actual history books I've read in my life regarding the Holocaust and World War II? No thanks. I'm good.

There are tons of sources for this. you should be the one providing sources. even in his autobiography Hittler said he liked them

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honorary_Aryan
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they granted them "honorary aryan" status to use them as tools for the war.

it's very well known.
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Bligh_with_no_T posted...

Yeah the whole Aryan thing was based on a false historical hypothesis and not actual genetics or skin colour. I believe Nazism had no issues with the Japanese.

exactly
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you realize bligh is trolling you, right?
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Jen0125 posted...

you realize bligh is trolling you, right?

I'm not though. I've not studied nazi philosophy but I've only heard good things about their relationship with the Japanese. They had far more issues with slavic peoples.
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Yeah I'm pretty sure Hitler actually wrote in depth about his admiration for the Japanese

But that doesn't mean that he wouldn't have turned on them if they had won

Of course not, most of the Jews they killed were white.
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Zareth posted...

Of course not, most of the Jews they killed were white.

But that was mostly for Religions and ethnical discrimination rather than racial discrimination @Zareth
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Jen0125 posted...

SmokeMassTree thinking the Nazi party and the German army were the same thing

Anyone who imagines the German Army was apolitical, and ignorant of and uninvolved in the crimes of the Nazi regime is wearing rose-tinted spectacles with specially distorting filter lenses. In the East, it was almost as deeply implicated in crimes against civilians and POWs as the SS or the Police.

The moral rot started from the head down: the institutional ethos of the OKW, the Wehrmacht's senior command, could justly be described as essentially Nazi. Some of the most brutal punitive measures carried out by the Army in the East did not originate with orders issued by Hitler, but from within the OKW itself. These included orders for collective reprisals to be taken against civilian populations for partisan attacks (the 'Barbarossa-Erlass' of May 13, 1941); the 'Guidelines for the Conduct of the Troops in Russia', confirmed on May 19, 1941, which ordered "ruthless action" (rücksichtlos vorzugehen) against "Bolshevik agitators, irregulars, saboteurs and Jews"; and the slashing of rations for Soviet POWs to 10,407 calories per week (orders of the OKH issued to all German divisions in August 1941 -- small wonder that 3.3 million Soviet POWs died in slow death camps run by the German Army).

And that's even before you get into the German Army's activities in support of SS death squads under the April 28, 1941 agreement between the OKW and Heydrich's SD. Yes, the Army knew exactly what the Einsatzgruppen were for: under the agreement, close co-operation between the extermination teams and the army was ensured by seconding an Einsatzkommando liaison officer to the intelligence officer (I c) on the staff of each army, and the military were be kept informed of all instructions from Heydrich to the Einsatzgruppen concerning "executive measures against the civilian population".

Not only did the army provide transport and logistical support to the Einsatzgruppen, it systematically segregated Jewish POWs to make it easier for them to be massacred -- which sometimes happened inside the army's own POW camps; and occasionally it even carried out the mass killings itself without waiting for the SD execution teams to arrive, for example at Stalag XX-C near Danzig.

The German Army was sometimes directly involved in the mass liquidation of Jews in the East. For example, in Belarus (or "White Ruthenia", as the Germans called it), the 6th, 7th and 8th Companies of the 727th Infantry Regiment participated in the massacre of Jews (who'd been herded into hastily erected ghettoes) in the following towns: Niesvicz, October 30, 1941 -- 4,500 Jews killed; Lachovichi, November 2, 1941 -- 1,000 Jews killed; Yaremichi, Svierzna, and Turec -- 1,000 Jews killed; Mir, October 9, 1941 -- 1,500-1,800 Jews killed; Slonim, November 13-14, 1941 -- 9,000 Jews killed; Novogrudok, December 8, 1941 -- 3,000 Jews killed. The Army frequently slaughtered hostages and other civilians in Serbia, among other places; the Army (not the SS) shot more than 9,000 Jews, Gypsies and other civilians throughout Serbia in the last two weeks of October 1941 alone.

So, what am I saying? Am I saying that all twenty million men who served in the Wehrmacht during WW2 must have been died-in-the-wool Nazis and war criminals? No, of course not. But what I am saying is that it's time to take off those rose-tinted spectacles.
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no one is saying the german army was apolitical. but the nazi party and german army were separate entities. just like the american army is not the same as whatever political party reigns supreme at any given time. the american army is not republican just because the republican party holds the majority right now. are there republican soldiers? sure. but they aren't a republican party army.

the german army may act under the directive of their government but that is their literal job. people are so fucking stupid i swear to god.
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the nazi's gained their power when communism was stealing and starving the people in the east, at least 5 million people died from famine because of some of the stuff communism did, there were also purges and anyone suspected of anything could be tortured to death, they even used the concentration camps after the war to kill 3k people
eastern europe wasn't that upset when the nazi's came
to them the migrating jews had no place in society so they exterminated them
poland also killed like 5k germans during bloody sunday
had england surrendered the war might have been over in the west but they didn't and the war dragged on and on, likely excaberating the casualties 10 fold, with things like starvation and tubercolosis contributing to the high number of deaths
i'm not saying what they did was right i'm just saying that communism was sucky enough to put people like hitler in power, had he stopped before russia and not killed so many russians who had no other options he might have been seen as the good guy, heck he might have been seen as american. Statlin still killed like 50 million people, china starved 50 million people, but hitler will always be remembered as the ultimate bad guy
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