Board 8 > Hearthstone Discussion Topic: You're Shivering, Are You Afraid?

(+) Yeah! (+)

Don't have Molten Giants.
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Finally got Hunter done with molten giant and a faceless shambler where he didn't use obliterate

never actually got a hand with two moltens but close enough apparently!
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I made an elemental quest hunter with rexxar just to see what that would be like.

I just had a ridiculous game against dead man's hand warrior. I took out garrosh with double exploding shot, and I guess all he really had left after that was an infinite bring it on / coldlight play for fatigue. Not sure if he just screwed up his hands or what, but the whole adding 15 cards to my deck thing ended up letting me pull it out. Was just nuts because he'd gain 20 or 30 armor and then I'd just fill up my entire board and hand every time.

In the end I was able to seal the deal with a stealth hyena that I was able to bounce with brewmasters.

I don't think elemental quest hunter is about to break the meta but wow, that was like a perfect matchup.
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Arena #14
I Was Offered: Rogue/Paladin/Warlock
I Picked: Paladin


Let's try this again. I may regret it later.

The Draft: Servant of Kalimos as my first synergy pick again. This card needs to just be completely removed from the game after they destroy the synergy pool. I am already beyond tired of seeing it. Absolutely atrocious draft aside from that. I got stuck with TWO meanstreet marshalls. Was offered an absolutely disgustingly bad batch of legendaries (ended up picking Voraxx just for stats, and keep in mind that he is OVERCOSTED for his stats - the other two were Nat the Darkfisher and Nozdormu). I did manage to draft a Silvermoon Portal so the voraxx dream might be alive. I did end up with a pretty consistent early game by the end so I may not be in the 0-3 hole just yet, but I am definitely not getting my hopes up with this deck. This ties my other 63 point deck as the lowest ones I have drafted so far this season.

Game 1: Vs Rogue. I went First. Janky opener, fixed by my first few draws. I did have a good starting hand with some options for the first few turns. He slams down fledgling on turn 3. Welp. Guess this is the game where I had a solid opener but just lose anyway due to pure dumb luck in my opponent drawing the nuts. Windfury and Divine Shield adaptations. Devilsaur Egg to block my volatile elemental since now I just risk giving him a 5/5. This has already snowballed well out of control on turn 4. I actually realized I have no other option than to take the 50/50 and I do end up winning. RNG victories always feel so lame and cheap. My meanstreet marshall grows to a 5/10 after I Silvermoon Portal and then Spikeridged Steed it. HAHA. He does at least manage to intentionally pop his Devilsaur Egg later, so that is a bit of a problem. A completely bullshit RNG defeat turns into a completely bullshit RNG victory. And nothing about that feels satisfying. Still hard to complain since I move on to 1-0. Win.

Game 2: Vs Paladin. I went First. I draw Righteous Protector on turn 1, probably the best card in my deck. I get Doomsayer off of Silvermoon Portal, wrecking my own board. Well that's always fun. Amazingly, he intentionally kills the Doomsayer with a Crazed Alchemist. What. Just why. Why. What.
He then essentially trades away his board on turn 6, giving me a clean board and fresh tempo. Which is exactly what the Doomsayer would have done if he had just left it up... I have no cards left and he has a lot though, so he's still in a pretty superior position. Even though the board is literally just me with a big taunt and a poisonous minion hiding behind it. Amazingly he has two copies of Blessing of Wisdom in his hand, right now, and he casts both of them. This game goes to some weird places but I end up with a board full of small minions and he dumps a lot of his extra cards just trying to stay caught up. At this point we're both in topdeck mode but I'm ahead on board and in life total. He concedes. Win.

Game 3: Vs Mage. I went First. I push the board early on pretty hard but do it by drawing a lot of my low cost cards. This leads to my emptying my hand almost right away. With no reload to speak of I'm punished pretty hard when he plays Volcanic Potion. But, I mean, I'm playing against Mage. So what the fuck am I even supposed to do? Pray to the gods of RNG to get matched up against a different class, I guess. Silvermoon Portal summons a Wild Pyromancer that burns itself down to 1 health. That's 0/2 on portals so far. Like every single mage I have faced in arena so far this expansion he has insane elemental synergy. I don't think that's even an exaggeration. You can find some variation of that statement in probably every write up I have done so far against a Mage. No particularly good plays on his part. Just bullshit answers on curve every single turn. The typical Mage arena player. Loss.
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Game 4: Vs Rogue. I went Second. Play a 1/2 on turn 1 to make his incoming turn 2 hero power less valuable. Then I block it with a 1/1 taunt for added salt. I have a lot of low cost cards again so I'm a little more careful in trying to extract value from them this time. Make a pretty great Corpse Raiser play to get double value out of a poison minion. Play Voraxx for the first time here, on turn 6. Won the game on turn 7, did not get Voraxx dream or any Voraxx value. Win.

Game 5: Vs Shaman. I went First. Had an okay opening curve, with the understanding that I'd Hero Power on turn 2 but have a 1-2-3-4 play. I drew into another 4 drop, giving me more options for the mid game but not much to do in the early game except play out my cards and hope he doesn't counter/block them. This is too often the case with low quality decks, which is why it often feels like arena games can come down to luck and which match ups you get. Silvermoon Portal summons Prince Keleseth. Not as bad as my last two results, at least... I rush him down and kill him by turn 7. Win.

Hm. Well then. Honestly I already had a theory about the KFT arena meta but these last few runs are really starting to cement it for me. I'll elaborate more later.

Game 6: Vs Warlock. I went First. I had a strong aggro oriented opener but this guy had more and better control tools than any player I've faced so far on this run. This is going to happen as I get further into the gauntlet, of course. It's just a question of whether this is the wall I'll finally hit due to my low deck quality or if I can power through. He gets insane Defile value and basically clinches the game but I play it out anyway on the off chance that I might be able to make a comeback. He plays Bonemare on the following turn. I do not make a comeback. Loss.

Game 7: Vs Druid. I went Second. Got a fairly bad opening hand, too. Tier 1 class opponent, my worst opener, going second. This does not bode well. Better card quality, better synergy, better curve as a result. Oddly enough for this low curve deck I actually end up with a solid turn 7 and turn 8 play. I make a pretty solid desperate late game stand. At this point I can only afford to go wide with my remaining low cost minions. He plays nothing but card draw on turn 10 which seems to be a good indicator that he has no real answers on hand. I set up lethal on board and hope for the best. Actually made a misplay and forgot to press the button, but I apparently played around Spreading Plague by accident. That being said this deck has literally no answer to Spreading Plague. I stalls me out long enough for him to play a second Spreading Plague and just automatically win the game. Loss.

Final Result: 4-3

Prizes:
1 Pack, 85 Gold
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5 mana 5/25

seems like a balanced card to me, but it doesn't have synergy with overload...
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Was watching Day9 yesterday and the mage lich king fight was a lot easier after copying his deck and going double Molten Giant.
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fucking sergeant sally
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Arthas attained wooo

I'd say difficulty of LK fights for me

Easy:
Priest
Rogue
Druid

Average:
Warrior (once I learned I could just do dual Kel)
Hunter
Shaman
Mage (only to build up leech elementals)


Hard:
Paladin (this one was a huge pain in the ass, but for some reason when I took a break and came back I finally got good build ups for Destiny Board Horsemen)
Warlock (I lack good lock cards but managed to get really lucky)
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From easiest to hardest for me

Shaman > Druid > Warlock > Warrior > Priest > Rogue > Hunter > Paladin > Mage

Something like that
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Arena #15
I Was Offered: Shaman/Rogue/Paladin
I Picked: Rogue


The Draft: Medivh as my very first pick of the draft. Ohhh yes. Some solid quality cards. An okay midrange curve. Picked up Tinkmaster Overspark as my very last card of the draft. There will be memes. Funny enough despite me "feeling" like this was a good deck, I actually ended up with a low 64 tier score. Well hm. The one weakness of this deck is that it does not have any super high quality heavy cards. Medivh is basically the top end of my deck. I do have a few spells to support the use of Ateish.

Game 1: Vs Mage. I went Second. Strong opening hand. This ended up being a long term value oriented game which is why I'm surprised I actually came out way ahead when the smoke cleared. Definitely not my typical experience against Mage, especially with a low quality deck. Win.

Game 2: Vs Mage. I went First. He had a very strong opener. He decided to play aggro Mage and try to push face damage. Then I got basically shut down completely by Ice Walker in the mid game. I love when an already top tier class in arena is given a card that can dominate the board and only costs 2 mana to play. This fucker literally had like 3 different freeze effects in the first six turns. That's three UNIQUE cases I'm talking about, not just the Ice Walker. Despite all of this bullshit I managed to pull ahead in the mid game and then he just frost novas my board and puts me back an entire turn. God damn I hate Mage in arena so much. I hate literally every single class card that they have. I hate everything about them. I killed him the following turn and it still pisses me off. The complete opposite of fun. Win.

Game 3: Vs Druid. I went Second. Had to mulligan all of my cards and still only drew one early game. And it was a Loot Hoarder. Yikes. Honestly I doubt it matters what I pulled. He had an aggro druid constructed level opener. I mean, literally, he played power of the wild, a two drop, and mark of the lotus all in the first two turns. Lol. Just what the hell. AND THEN HAD AN OOZE TO DESTROY MY WEAPON. ON CURVE. Things did not get much better from here. Loss.

Game 4: Vs Paladin. I went Second. Holy shit can I stop going second against Tier 1 classes in this run? Drew pretty much as garbage of an opener as last time too, complete with the shitty Loot Hoarder on turn 2. Then he just instantly conceded on turn 1. Well alright then. Win.

Game 5: Vs Shaman. I went First. Bad opening curve again. Despite having plenty of early game cards in my deck, btw. My opponent seems to have disconnected, and did nothing for the first 4 turns. Well, uh. Honestly I cannot say I am having fun right now. Two consecutive games where I get frustrated with terrible mulligans and then I win anyway just to completely random luck. Like, outside of the scope of the game itself luck. Feels stupid to win because some guy's boss came over and started standing behind his desk while he was at work or something. Funny enough my opener was so bad that despite him not playing any cards from turns 1-4, he still put up a good fight. Win.
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Opening some packs today. Got:

Sergeant Sally
Kun
Pally Quest
Pally DK
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Game 6: Vs Hunter. I went First. Another weak opener. Wtf. At this point it's just getting outside of the realm of statistical belief. I did a cool little play where I had extra mana left over, so I intentionally fueled Grave Shambler by using my hero power before immediately equipping the weapon I was going to use that turn anyway. Free +1/+1! I played the board really well and kept him in check. Probably the first fun game this run and I think I'd feel that way even if I had lost. Win.

Game 7: Vs Paladin. I went First. Finally got Mistress of Mixtures in my opening hand. I jump onto the board pretty fast and take control quickly. I focus on just using my advantage to kill anything he puts down and prevent himself from fighting back. By turn 7 he seems to think he is not going to win and concedes. This is honestly probably a misplay on his part. He was holding lots of cards and I was holding very few. If he played it out he definitely had a chance to come back. Win.

Game 8: Vs Shaman. I went Second. Got Tinkmaster Overspark in my opening hand. Decided to keep him for the memes. Solid 1 drop and multiple 3 drops. Definitely something you want to see when going second. I coin out Eggnapper on 2, then pop him on 3 before playing the Tinkmaster. He turns my mistress of mixtures into a 5/5 devilsaur. Yessss. I have 10/10 worth of stats on the board on turn 3 and his board is empty. I'm generally against RNG bullshit but this is pretty hilarious, especially since it can actually backfire. And I specifically made the most skilled play possible to lower the chances of it backfiring. He had Earth Elemental created by Stonehill Defender to keep him alive on turn 5. This prevents checkmate but he's still very much in check. Turn 7 lethal. Almost like I'm playing Hunter again. Win.

Think I'll take a break for now. I can continue this run tomorrow morning or something. Glad Tinkmaster actually got to shine, though. I was worried that I just wouldn't draw/play him. Even better that it worked out in my favor but just playing him at all made me smile and brightened my day.
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Just won a game as priest by getting abominable bowman, copying it, then having both die for charged devilsaurs.
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abominable bowman is actually pretty cool if you have one specific beast in your deck that you want to bring back. wish it was more impactful, though. it's like 1/6th of Anyfin can Happen but costs nearly as much and is way slower to activate.
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With two people saying Paladin was really hard, I'm glad I took advantage of the bug for the free win. If nothing else, it also gave me a much needed success break from smashing my face against the Hunter wall.
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what bug?
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Camden posted...

With two people saying Paladin was really hard, I'm glad I took advantage of the bug for the free win. If nothing else, it also gave me a much needed success break from smashing my face against the Hunter wall.

KommunistKoala posted...

what bug?

I think something about LK ignoring Tirion, basically giving you an Infinite tank / free win?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSd0TlD9Tmk

I didn't have Tirion =/
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omg thank you worked on the second try

all my suffering is over
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quest hunter is also pretty hilarious against the mill/fatigue rogue that's become popular lately.

You want to mill me to death with coldlights? Go ahead. There are 46 cards in my deck on turn 11 lol.
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Got enough gold to buy the first wing of karazhan. It was fun. Only 2100 more to go...
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I got a legendary!

it was moorabi...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2BXYn-r4WY

Not that it's helping me win the Warlock match, but man does the Lich King like to Obliterate Zombie Chows. I have yet to find a minion he targets before it.

Edit:

Rag didn't pull through.
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I am experimenting with my mage deck, and I think I've found a gem in Burgly Bully. Yeah I may lose my card every turn it's out if I have 7-8 cards in hand, but that doesn't matter if I can get ice block up and throw out antonidas! Fireballs for DAYS.
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Warrior, Rogue and Druid left, the three classes I never play. Should be fun(impossible).
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Do you have 2 copies of dead man's hand?

There is a strategy with warrior that works fairly consistently once you learn the setup.
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Druid you just need the jade cards (not even Aya, just the class druid cards), auctioneer, and a bunch of low cost minions to thin the deck

you'll beat it in like 2 tries
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One copy of Dead Man's Hand.

One copy of Jade Idol. Also only one Auctioneer and Nourish, so I imagine getting everything setup would be a more difficult endeavor as well.
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i think i did it with only one auctioneer and no nourish

though i did use one ultimate infestation

your deck gets thinned out so much one auctioneer isn't hard to come by. certainly takes less rerolls than hunter did for me!
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Hunter was bad. I think I spent more time on Hunter than Priest/Paladin/Mage/Shaman/Warlock combined.
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Paladin has been giving me trouble for a long time now. Just can't seem to get the right draws. Might try this cheese strat I found on the HS forums.
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Pirateking2000 posted...

Camden posted...

With two people saying Paladin was really hard, I'm glad I took advantage of the bug for the free win. If nothing else, it also gave me a much needed success break from smashing my face against the Hunter wall.

KommunistKoala posted...

what bug?

I think something about LK ignoring Tirion, basically giving you an Infinite tank / free win?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSd0TlD9Tmk

I didn't have Tirion =/

this worked in two tries for me
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So uh... what if you Treachery a Majordomo to the boss and then kill it?
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he becomes ragnaros and only has 8 health yeah

one of the pally strats is to just barnes your majordomo get him killed on both sides and hope your rag hero power hits him once he transforms
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Put a random aggro Druid together and got lucky when he never played any taunts until it was pretty much too late, won on my second go.

Down to Warrior and Rogue.
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throughout history, what have been some of the strongest meta decks that used the fewest class cards?
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Arena #15 {Cont.}
[Rogue]

Game 9: Vs Paladin. I Went Second. Solid opener this time. Did a good job at securing the board by making clever plays with my cards. He had trouble gaining tempo so I played Assassinate right on 5 to kill his 5 drop. He did his best but went down shortly after that. Win.

Game 10: Vs Rogue. I went First. Mediocre opener. His was insane and prevented me from playing anything on turn 1-4. And he dropped Vicious Fledgling on turn 3 behind a poisonous taunt. Well alright then. Amazingly I actually had the tools in hand to help me control the board to some extent. I had better draws and better plays in the mid game. But being so far was a bigger problem. Made a pretty big misplay here, but I was so far behind at the end I don't think it mattered anyway. Loss.

Game 11: Vs Druid. I went Second. He has taunts, freeze minions, mark of the lotus on a pretty decent sized board. I play Tinkmaster for the memes but unfortunately it turns one of his 5/2's back into a 5/5. Oh well. Highrolling that was probably my only chance, as he was already rolling over me by turn 6. He plays Medivh on 8 which makes me feel it's likely Ultimate Infestation is coming on turn 10. Value trades Medivh and then heals him to full with Ancient of Lore. He has Ultimate Infestation on turn 10. Loss.

Final Result: 8-3

Another below average deck going pretty far.

1 pack, 10 dust, 155 Gold, a golden card
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MariaTaylor posted...

Camden posted...

Jesus, was there a bug that let people take their standard decks into arena?

I'm starting to wonder it myself. some of these games I've had so far have been absolutely crazy.

I just lost my 0-0 game in fatigue to a rogue who was using valeera and coldlights.

>__>
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Maria do you track what you get from packs
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nope. only take note when I get a Legendary. even then I don't take exact notes or anything.

so I believe I got my initial Legendary from KFT on pack 8.

I think bought some amount of 'additional' packs. can't remember how many, but I want to say it was 10. it was some kind of round number that my brain would have instantly thought of. and I used to have over 2000 gold while now I'm closer to 1000. so 10 packs makes sense.

since then I've done 15 arena runs and gotten a free pack every time.

meaning it's been 25 packs and I still have not gotten my second legendary yet.
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oh yeah I actually did 16 runs, but I only documented 15 of them here. so it's actually 26 consecutive packs without a legendary. come on pity timer!

btw can someone make a new topic? I don't want to post my next arena run at the end of this one. rather do it at the start of a new one. and I also do not want to be the person who makes the topic.
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I just need to think of a good topic title
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