Current Events > Boy who transitioned to female at 12 changes his mind after 2 years.

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Darklit_Minuet posted...

The_Donald posted...

He can't it's against the law. Just like children under 18 getting their sex organs mutilated for cosmetic effect should be.

So it's against the law for a kid to go into a grocery store and buy a cucumber?

WTF?
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Sayoria posted...

Damn, who knew that surgery regret was the lead cause of suicide and not social rejection, family rejection, and inability to get a job because no one wants to hire a "freak" as they say?

Of course they would commit suicide because of the surgery. What other reasons would there be?

Or maybe because most transgenders were mentally unstable to begin with. Reclassifying it to not be a mental illness doesn't make it any less of a mental illness.

The insecurity combined with the less a spectacular expectation will only heightened that insecurity, leading to other rash decisions.
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SlashmanSG posted...

Darklit_Minuet posted...

The_Donald posted...

He can't it's against the law. Just like children under 18 getting their sex organs mutilated for cosmetic effect should be.

So it's against the law for a kid to go into a grocery store and buy a cucumber?

WTF?

Pretty much sums it up.
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Callixtus posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

kkTheKiller42 posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

kkTheKiller42 posted...

i feel like transitioning should be illegal if you're under 18

How do you feel about other surgeries or the treatment of other mental conditions? I mean, kids have no idea about anything, parents who pursue treatment are just crazy SJWs, and no real doctors are involved in the process. Best wait until 18 so you can sort out your health yourself. Hopefully the life lottery isn't too unfair on kids before then. You know, typical healthcare stuff.

i just feel like you shouldn't undergo gender reassignment stuff if you're under 18.

I feel like unless it was necessary, kids shouldn't have that option.

What makes gender reassignment so special though? I had a reconstruction surgery on my feet that wasn't immediately necessary before I turned 18. Kids take medication every day for every physical and mental condition under the sun. What is the specific reason people completely change their tune when it comes to trans people? Suddenly, we should treat it like a passing phase or at least not do anything until 18 because doctors don't have an ultimate cure and thus are just quacks listening to SJWs.

Because maybe teenagers aren't mature enough to take a decision that is irreversible, and could very well leave them sterile??

Do you think this is somehow handled different than any other potential medical treatment? Doctors are involved. Parents are involved. I think I'll trust doctors over random people on the Internet having bad feelings.
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Sayoria posted...

Few notes.

1 - He was taking the MOTHER'S pills. A doctor did not prescribe him these pills.
2 - Doctors typically live by a 12 - 16 - 18 rule. Blockers at 12, hormones at 16, surgery at 18.
3 - He never went under therapy.


This was a stupid-as-shit mother.

Agreed 100%
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RE_expert44 posted...

Hopefully people don't still treat him like he's a weirdo. But after this I bet there will be transgenders out there that will damn him for getting over his disorder and not going all the way. Like it is detremential to their cause because people can "snap out of it" before they take it too far.

I know people who said they got over various mental disorders. I just call them fucking liars who didn't really have anything seriously wrong with them because sheer force of will doesn't treat shit. Doctors don't just exist to treat people too weak to solo their health treatment.
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12 is wayyy too young to making a decision like this
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Sayoria posted...

Damn, who knew that surgery regret was the lead cause of suicide and not social rejection, family rejection, and inability to get a job because no one wants to hire a "freak" as they say?

Of course they would commit suicide because of the surgery. What other reasons would there be?

Or maybe because most transgenders were mentally unstable to begin with. Reclassifying it to not be a mental illness doesn't make it any less of a mental illness.

The insecurity combined with the less a spectacular expectation will only heightened that insecurity, leading to other rash decisions.

Or they are unstable because they didn't grow up with loving families like I did. My family has been overly supportive of me and I'm fine. I'm patient where I need to be. I got a job and have been working since 2007 to pay for my SRS, which I will finally get in 2018. After getting on hormones, I finally lost my "asexuality" and I've become sexually interested in others. I also enrolled back in school because I became more motivated when I got on my estradiol.

So say what you want, but transitioning is helping me a lot. In many ways, shapes and forms and I love it. I know many others would be just as fine if they weren't kicked out of their houses, discriminated in job searching, and didn't live in areas where everyone told them they were going to burn in Hell. You know, that's what really pushes trans people over to depression. We can deal with who we are with the support we need. Those without can't, and it is the parents of those who can't who are entirely at fault.
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There's a reason you can't drink, smoke, drive etc till you are of a certain age...because kids are dumbasses. Wearing a dress is all that takes a parent to give in to their childrens requests?


This is borderline child abuse
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I just want to point out that a previous post literally implied children buy cucumbers from the grocery store to "use."

WTF.
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The_Donald posted...

I just want to point out that a previous post literally implied children buy cucumbers from the grocery store to "use."

WTF.

I'm just challenging your idea that you'll somehow prevent kids from using sex toys

Sayoria posted...

Or they are unstable because they didn't grow up with loving families like I did. My family has been overly supportive of me and I'm fine. I'm patient where I need to be. I got a job and have been working since 2007 to pay for my SRS, which I will finally get in 2018. After getting on hormones, I finally lost my "asexuality" and I've become sexually interested in others. I also enrolled back in school because I became more motivated when I got on my estradiol.

So say what you want, but transitioning is helping me a lot. In many ways, shapes and forms and I love it. I know many others would be just as fine if they weren't kicked out of their houses, discriminated in job searching, and didn't live in areas where everyone told them they were going to burn in Hell. You know, that's what really pushes trans people over to depression. We can deal with who we are with the support we need. Those without can't, and it is the parents of those who can't who are entirely at fault.

Good for you, but it still doesn't change the facts. You let me know how you feel after you fully transitioned, not just being in transition. 1 in 5 transgenders face regret. Others are not satisfied with the change, causing them to do rash things. You don't have to take my word for it. You should read the research yourself.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2004/jul/30/health.mentalhealth
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Darklit_Minuet posted...

The_Donald posted...

I just want to point out that a previous post literally implied children buy cucumbers from the grocery store to "use."

WTF.

I'm just challenging your idea that you'll somehow prevent kids from using sex toys

That sure is what you did there, yup.
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Conflict posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

TimePharaoh posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

kkTheKiller42 posted...

i feel like transitioning should be illegal if you're under 18

How do you feel about other surgeries or the treatment of other mental conditions? I mean, kids have no idea about anything, parents who pursue treatment are just crazy SJWs, and no real doctors are involved in the process. Best wait until 18 so you can sort out your health yourself. Hopefully the life lottery isn't too unfair on kids before then. You know, typical healthcare stuff.

...are you comparing taking out an exploded organ, or making a kid talk to a counselor, with permanently mutilating your body?

lulz k.

You mean the long, arduous process involving various doctors and psychologists to determine whether someone is trans and what is the correct course of treatment for them? Totally sounds like some casual life choice any 12 year old can make by running down to the local SJW chapter and getting a same day dick removal

It's crazy how much patience you and Sayoria have with these morons

Because I've actually informed and met middle ground with many hard-set people and explained my positions before. You have no idea how many conservatives on this board I am cool with right now. You have many trans people who are psychotic and cannot sit to answer a simple question without feeling offended. I can do that.

My goal is to aid our cause not through hostility, but through understanding, because not enough people understand what being transgender is like or the actual medical approach used. I do. I've been through it. There are nearly 10 gatekeepers to do everything from legal name and sex change, hormone therapy, sex change, and many other things. It's not something any of us can just get.

If we argue, nothing gets done. If I try to confer, even with hard-set rightists, I sometimes can get things down to a me-and-you talk rather than a me-vs-you talk.
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The_Donald posted...

Darklit_Minuet posted...

The_Donald posted...

I just want to point out that a previous post literally implied children buy cucumbers from the grocery store to "use."

WTF.

I'm just challenging your idea that you'll somehow prevent kids from using sex toys

That sure is what you did there, yup.

So you're not going to tell me how you'll "prevent" kids from using sex toys then?

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Sayoria posted...

Or they are unstable because they didn't grow up with loving families like I did. My family has been overly supportive of me and I'm fine. I'm patient where I need to be. I got a job and have been working since 2007 to pay for my SRS, which I will finally get in 2018. After getting on hormones, I finally lost my "asexuality" and I've become sexually interested in others. I also enrolled back in school because I became more motivated when I got on my estradiol.

So say what you want, but transitioning is helping me a lot. In many ways, shapes and forms and I love it. I know many others would be just as fine if they weren't kicked out of their houses, discriminated in job searching, and didn't live in areas where everyone told them they were going to burn in Hell. You know, that's what really pushes trans people over to depression. We can deal with who we are with the support we need. Those without can't, and it is the parents of those who can't who are entirely at fault.

Good for you, but it still doesn't change the facts. You let me know how you feel after you fully transitioned, not just being in transition. 1 in 5 transgenders face regret. Others are not satisfied with the change, causing them to do rash things. You don't have to take my word for it. You should read the research yourself.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2004/jul/30/health.mentalhealth

Not really. Ask Taladashar (who used to post here), Sylph who DOES post here, or my co-worker. All three are post-op that I have talked to and all three don't regret it at all. Two of them told me sex has gotten better and that they'd do it again if they could.

And I'l definitely get back to you post-op. I'm thrilled. Those statistics can't be right. I want stats from trans people, fully accepted by friends and family, who have been in regret.
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Darklit_Minuet posted...

So you're not going to tell me how you'll "prevent" kids from using sex toys then?

You can't stop a boy from grabbing the kitchen knife either. You've devolved the argument to satisfy your own personal fetish.
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The_Donald posted...

Darklit_Minuet posted...

So you're not going to tell me how you'll "prevent" kids from using sex toys then?

You can't stop a boy from grabbing the kitchen knife either. You've devolved the argument to satisfy your own personal fetish.

So you're just going to keep deflecting. Got it

hockeybub89 posted...

TimePharaoh posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

kkTheKiller42 posted...

i feel like transitioning should be illegal if you're under 18

How do you feel about other surgeries or the treatment of other mental conditions? I mean, kids have no idea about anything, parents who pursue treatment are just crazy SJWs, and no real doctors are involved in the process. Best wait until 18 so you can sort out your health yourself. Hopefully the life lottery isn't too unfair on kids before then. You know, typical healthcare stuff.

...are you comparing taking out an exploded organ, or making a kid talk to a counselor, with permanently mutilating your body?

lulz k.

You mean the long, arduous process involving various doctors and psychologists to determine whether someone is trans and what is the correct course of treatment for them? Totally sounds like some casual life choice any 12 year old can make by running down to the local SJW chapter and getting a same day dick removal

You mean the process that is often regretted by the people who underwent it, leading them to have a worse life, suicide, or just regret it? That process? The thing that literally mutilates your body before you can even drink a beer? That one?

lulz, k.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Sayoria posted...

Or they are unstable because they didn't grow up with loving families like I did. My family has been overly supportive of me and I'm fine. I'm patient where I need to be. I got a job and have been working since 2007 to pay for my SRS, which I will finally get in 2018. After getting on hormones, I finally lost my "asexuality" and I've become sexually interested in others. I also enrolled back in school because I became more motivated when I got on my estradiol.

So say what you want, but transitioning is helping me a lot. In many ways, shapes and forms and I love it. I know many others would be just as fine if they weren't kicked out of their houses, discriminated in job searching, and didn't live in areas where everyone told them they were going to burn in Hell. You know, that's what really pushes trans people over to depression. We can deal with who we are with the support we need. Those without can't, and it is the parents of those who can't who are entirely at fault.

Good for you, but it still doesn't change the facts. You let me know how you feel after you fully transitioned, not just being in transition. 1 in 5 transgenders face regret. Others are not satisfied with the change, causing them to do rash things. You don't have to take my word for it. You should read the research yourself.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2004/jul/30/health.mentalhealth

that statistic is completely unsourced. the number of documented regret is less than 2%.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brynn-tannehill/myths-about-transition-regrets_b_6160626.html
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Conflict posted...

Sayoria posted...

Because I've actually informed and met middle ground with many hard-set people and explained my positions before. You have no idea how many conservatives on this board I am cool with right now. You have many trans people who are psychotic and cannot sit to answer a simple question without feeling offended. I can do that.

My goal is to aid our cause not through hostility, but through understanding, because not enough people understand what being transgender is like or the actual medical approach used. I do. I've been through it. There are nearly 10 gatekeepers to do everything from legal name and sex change, hormone therapy, sex change, and many other things. It's not something any of us can just get.

If we argue, nothing gets done. If I try to confer, even with hard-set rightists, I sometimes can get things down to a me-and-you talk rather than a me-vs-you talk.

Yeah, but you can tell who's actually interested in discussion and learning new things and who's deadset in their ignorant points of view

People thought that about Proudclad, Linctagon, FMLG and a few others too.
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Sayoria posted...

Because I've actually informed and met middle ground with many hard-set people and explained my positions before. You have no idea how many conservatives on this board I am cool with right now. You have many trans people who are psychotic and cannot sit to answer a simple question without feeling offended. I can do that.

My goal is to aid our cause not through hostility, but through understanding, because not enough people understand what being transgender is like or the actual medical approach used. I do. I've been through it. There are nearly 10 gatekeepers to do everything from legal name and sex change, hormone therapy, sex change, and many other things. It's not something any of us can just get.

If we argue, nothing gets done. If I try to confer, even with hard-set rightists, I sometimes can get things down to a me-and-you talk rather than a me-vs-you talk.

I admire this, but I'm not a hundred percent sure the people arguing with you on this board aren't just trolling and shitposting on their downtime. This is CE after all.
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Medussa posted...

that statistic is completely unsourced. the number of documented regret is less than 2%.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brynn-tannehill/myths-about-transition-regrets_b_6160626.html

Your source has been manipulated. Seriously, you're going to link to HuffPost, a trash rag of a website that is written by unpaid bloggers? Maybe you should read something real, from an actual transgender.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/08/19/transgender-regret-is-real-even-if-the-media-tell-you-otherwise/
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So i'm still gonna ask, why should children be allowed to make the decision to transition?

Legitimate question, no one's really answered the question other than some deflecting by healthcare, yeah we get doctors involved and parents, but it still falls on a childs decision if they want to go through with it no?
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Darklit_Minuet posted...

The_Donald posted...

Darklit_Minuet posted...

So you're not going to tell me how you'll "prevent" kids from using sex toys then?

You can't stop a boy from grabbing the kitchen knife either. You've devolved the argument to satisfy your own personal fetish.

So you're just going to keep deflecting. Got it

I've answered all of your questions. You cant stop a child from doing anything 100% of the time but you can enact rules and laws to limit the chance of it happening. As I said a boy could grab a knife if he wanted to.

Now go back and answer mine. Or will you be the one deflecting?
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Medussa posted...

that statistic is completely unsourced. the number of documented regret is less than 2%.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brynn-tannehill/myths-about-transition-regrets_b_6160626.html

Your source has been manipulated. Seriously, you're going to link to HuffPost, a trash rag of a website that is written by unpaid bloggers? Maybe you should read something real, from an actual transgender.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/08/19/transgender-regret-is-real-even-if-the-media-tell-you-otherwise/

the hypocrisy in this post has to be intentional, right?
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kkTheKiller42 posted...

Legitimate question, no one's really answered the question other than some deflecting by healthcare, yeah we get doctors involved and parents, but it still falls on a childs decision if they want to go through with it no?

Because a child hasn't developed mentally to the point of being able to make rational decisions.
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kkTheKiller42 posted...

So i'm still gonna ask, why should children be allowed to make the decision to transition?

Legitimate question, no one's really answered the question other than some deflecting by healthcare, yeah we get doctors involved and parents, but it still falls on a childs decision if they want to go through with it no?

They shouldn't. No matter who says what, children should NOT be allowed to make these decisions. If the child want to have sex, it still falls on a child's decision if they want to go through with it no? Or maybe someone should be a responsible adult and prevent kids from making a decision based on immature emotions.
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Lost_All_Senses posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...


What a day for usernames matching quality of posts.
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Medussa posted...

the hypocrisy in this post has to be intentional, right?

2.2% is bullshit. Everyone knows it. I post an article written by a transgender and you're happy to dismiss it because it doesn't fit your narrative. If it's only 2.2%, the suicide rate wouldn't be so high. Blacks have been oppressed, rejected by society, bullied by society for over a century before the civil rights movement. You don't see them committing suicide in droves.
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masterpug53 posted...

Lost_All_Senses posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...


What a day for usernames matching quality of posts.

So you're a dog? Good boy. Here's a treat.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

I post an article written by a transgender

1) no you didn't. Walt isn't, wasn't trans. he made a mistake, and has made it his mission in life since to take it out on the rest of us.

2) Brynn is trans

3) my link is sourced, from actual researchers. say what you want about huffpo, it just so happens to be where she put up the article aggregating the links. the meat of the argument is not a huffpo link, it's what's conveniently linked in the huffpo link.

edit: 4) trans isn't a noun. if you want to actually have your argument taken seriously, maybe you should show you at least have a 101 understanding of the topic.

5) you call out huffpo as a biased source and counter with the federalist? are you fucking serious?

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

If it's only 2.2%, the suicide rate wouldn't be so high.

nobody is arguing that transitioning is perfect. that doesn't mean it doesn't improve quality of life. just because it's not a complete solution doesn't mean it's not better than doing nothing at all. your comment simply does not follow.
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Gamer99z posted...

He was just a trans man trapped in a biological males body you fucking bigot.

So, he had to transition to female so he could transition back?




Makes sense.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

masterpug53 posted...

Lost_All_Senses posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...


What a day for usernames matching quality of posts.

So you're a dog? Good boy. Here's a treat.

Lmao, it truly never ceases to amuse when people on a gaming site show their asses by not getting my username.
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Medussa posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

I post an article written by a transgender

1) no you didn't. Walt isn't, wasn't trans. he made a mistake, and has made it his mission in life since to take it out on the rest of us.

2) Brynn is trans

3) my link is sourced, from actual researchers. say what you want about huffpo, it just so happens to be where she put up the article aggregating the links. the meat of the argument is not a huffpo link, it's what's conveniently linked in the huffpo link.

edit: 4) trans isn't a noun. if you want to actually have your argument taken seriously, maybe you should show you at least have a 101 understanding of the topic.

5) you call out huffpo as a biased source and counter with the federalist? are you fucking serious?

Fucking seriously? You're going to make a big deal about whether trans is a noun or not? Or maybe I should go to Dictionary.com for you:


noun
2.
a person who is transgender or transsexual.

Brynn is an advocate, nothing more. She will cover anything up to make her case. Again, if it's 2.2%, the suicide rate wouldn't be so high. People are lying through their teeth to make things look rosey. 41% suicide rate is very real and it doesn't reflect the nonsense that is 2.2%. This article does a good job of explaining the truth of the matter.

http://www.thestranger.com/features/2017/06/28/25252342/the-detransitioners-they-were-transgender-until-they-werent
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masterpug53 posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

masterpug53 posted...

Lost_All_Senses posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...


What a day for usernames matching quality of posts.

So you're a dog? Good boy. Here's a treat.

Lmao, it truly never ceases to amuse when people on a gaming site show their asses by not getting my username.

And it never ceases to amuse when people take a screen name literally. I mean you are a hideous goblin carrying a lantern while dressed up in homeless clothing, right?
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Brynn is an advocate, nothing more. She will cover anything up to make her case. Again, if it's 2.2%, the suicide rate wouldn't be so high. People are lying through their teeth to make things look rosey. 41% suicide rate is very real and it doesn't reflect the nonsense that is 2.2%. This article does a good job of explaining the truth of the matter.

Walt has an agenda, and has lied through his teeth to make things look dire. the 41% suicide rate covers all trans people, pre, post and non -op. and you still haven't established a link between transition regret and suicide rates, so again, it's a non sequitur. there are a dozen causes for the suicide rates among trans people. first, support that grs regret is one of them, and then second, support that it's anywhere near the same factor as familial rejection, harassment, homelessness, abuse, unemployment, etc.

edit: and feel free to take your time. it's 3am, and I'm done for the night.
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Giving a child hormones or surgery at the age of 12 is fucking stupid. It should be 16 at the very earliest.
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hockeybub89 posted...

Callixtus posted...

Good thing he escaped the progressive gender brigade before it was too late. I'm sure he'll have plenty of horror stories to tell when this is all over.

Because a few regret stories mean that mental and physical issues that have been documented for centuries are a brand new invention by the "progressive gender brigade" and should be completely ignored for the first 18 years of life, unlike any other condition that people suffer.

How about we stop advocating life-altering surgery until the body is actually done growing?
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shnangyboos posted...

Nobody saw this coming at all.

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shnangyboos posted...

Nobody saw this coming at all.

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darkjedilink posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Callixtus posted...

Good thing he escaped the progressive gender brigade before it was too late. I'm sure he'll have plenty of horror stories to tell when this is all over.

Because a few regret stories mean that mental and physical issues that have been documented for centuries are a brand new invention by the "progressive gender brigade" and should be completely ignored for the first 18 years of life, unlike any other condition that people suffer.

How about we stop advocating life-altering surgery until the body is actually done growing?

How about we leave that up to the professionals? Current research and consensus does not support that.
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This boy need to go to the church and confess for his sin.
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TimePharaoh posted...

lulz, k. Don't smoke a cigarette but cut your dick off.

So this a yes or a no that you are offended by people under the age of 18 receiving mental and physical health treatment?

People keep saying we should just ignore trans people under they become adults and the only way I make sense of that is if we pretend that the trans issue isn't even an actual thing. If we recognize these people as having something wrong with them, then how can we make a special exception as this being the one time nothing should be done before adulthood? Now that sounds like child abuse.
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kkTheKiller42 posted...

So i'm still gonna ask, why should children be allowed to make the decision to transition?

Legitimate question, no one's really answered the question other than some deflecting by healthcare, yeah we get doctors involved and parents, but it still falls on a childs decision if they want to go through with it no?

Because children can, and do, make the decision to commit suicide.
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hockeybub89 posted...

Children under 18 take serious medications (including narcotics) and undergo medical procedures every day. And no one is going "Oh my God. Children are making serious life decisions by themselves!" That isn't how it works, but stupid emotional appeals and virtue signaling are apparently a-ok if they're conservative in nature.

Actually yes there are MANY people who advocate medicating children for long periods of time. Don't think "trans" children are special in this regard.
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