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GTN
01/08/18 2:04:04 AM
#151:


is there a fake championship for who owns the yard? miz claimed he did last night
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paerarru
01/08/18 3:58:04 AM
#152:


So, how soon until I'm allowed to start perving on Nancy? Not that I haven't started already, I just mean you know, officially. >_>

Seriously now, Mixnine eliminations were devastating. Lots of reversals. Shin went down 21 spots (!). Haeyoung, Jungmin, Sihyeon, etc... all gone, too. Pastaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! ;-;

I'll watch The Unit elims soon.

Also, when is ISAC? I wanna make sure I don't miss any of the action. We're talking about my favorite sporting event of the year, here.
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01/09/18 2:00:37 PM
#153:


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PumpkinCoach
01/09/18 10:22:19 PM
#154:


i'm a few episodes behind so i haven't seen eliminations for either show, but man, has there been a bigger drop on one of these shows than hyangsook going from top 9 to eliminated? what's the votership that benefit points can have that much impact? the top 9 for the girls is pretty volatile, especially compared to the boys.

for the unit - yesss semmi. also i used the bias sorter, and i won't bore you with the full thing but here's the top bit:

1. Haena
2. Somyi
2. Yena
2. Chaesol
5. Euijin
6. Lee Joohyun
7. Shin Jihoon
7. Semmi
7. Saebyeol
7. EunE
11. Nari
12. Yoonjo
12. Haein
14. Yang Jiwon
14. Lee Borim
16. Woohee
17. Yebin
17. NC.A
19. Euna Kim
19. Lee Suji
19. Yujeong (laboum)
19. Yeoeun
19. DanA

if you asked me for a top 9, i don't think i would have come up with yena, eune, or shin jihoon, and yang jiwon would probably be one of the first names i said, but bias sorters are weird like that.
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PumpkinCoach
01/09/18 10:56:33 PM
#155:


and fave trainees were in a car accident. sujin is dropping out of the mixnine - https://www.soompi.com/2018/01/07/fave-trainees-involved-car-accident-lee-soo-jin-leave-mixnine/

that's a shame, and i hope they all recover well.

not to be callous, and i'm only saying this because everything seems to be fine, but uhh p. curious how the rankings shake up now.
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paerarru
01/10/18 2:27:13 PM
#156:


PumpkinCoach posted...
i'm a few episodes behind so i haven't seen eliminations for either show, but man, has there been a bigger drop on one of these shows than hyangsook going from top 9 to eliminated?

Oh yeah, that was just gruesome. Like wth.

for the unit - yesss semmi.

I'm happy for Matilda but overall I'm pretty salty at The Unit right now. Not only has Yeoeun not made it into top 9, but now Woohee's dropped out of it also. :\

and fave trainees were in a car accident. sujin is dropping out of the mixnine

Oh, so that's why I saw some people well wishing Sujin. That sucks, and yeah well she's kinda the main character for the girls, but I'm going to out-callous you and say that perhaps providence is telling Fave something. Just pull the girls out and debut them. Otherwise Soomin at least will be stuck another year with YG. Or not, since after all the girl group is not even getting made, remember?
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PumpkinCoach
01/10/18 5:54:23 PM
#157:


here it is - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCMoLL8mA8nwqAzpQbj5bRSOd7zXroRKK

100. Wassup - Color TV
99. Wanna One - Energetic
98. NCT 127 - Cherry Bomb
97. CLC - Mistake
96. Twice - Hold Me Tight
95. Gfriend - Fingertip
94. Red Velvet - Mojito
93. Seventeen - Don't Wanna Cry
92. Monsta X - DRAMARAMA
91. Taemin - Move

90. G.Soul - Can't
89. Heize - You, Clouds, Rain (feat. Shin Yong Jae)
88. WJSN - Miracle
87. Hash Tag - Hue
86. SNSD - All Night
85. Jeon Soyeon - Jelly
84. Loona/Chuu - Heart Attack
83. Sunmi - Gashina
82. ONF - ON/OFF
81. N.Flying - The Real

80. Astro - Crazy Sexy Cool
79. S.I.S - I've Got A Feeling
78. Dia - Fly Girl
77. Taeyeon - Eraser
76. Dreamcatcher - Sleep-walking
75. Day6 - I Wait
74. Bolbbalgan4 - Some
73. Golden Child - DamDaDi
72. Favorite - Party Time
71. EXO - The Eve

70. BTOB - Red Lie
69. Yuseol - Ocean View
68. Red Velvet - Body Talk
67. Zico - Artist
66. Snuper - The Star of Stars
65. Seohyun - Bad Love
64. IU - Palette (feat. G-Dragon)
63. Kang Sira - Don't Wanna Forget
62. Zico - Anti (feat. G.Soul)
61. Hoody - Hangang

60. Dreamcatcher - Good Night
59. Oguogu - Ice Chu
58. BoA - Camo
57. VIXX - Shangri-La
56. WJSN - Sugar
55. Lee Haeri - Pattern
54. Oh Yeri - This Is Love (feat. Jang Hyunseung)
53. Red Velvet - Peek-A-Boo
52. Winner - Fool
51. Hyukoh - Tomboy

50. NCT 127 - Summer 127
49. Twice - Knock Knock
48. Sonamoo - I (knew it)
47. Hyukoh - Wanli
46. Bollbalgan4 - To My Youth
45. B1A4 - You Need Me
44. Brave Girls - Rollin'
43. Baek Ayeon - Magic Girl
42. SNSD - Holiday
41. Lovelyz - WoW!
40. Pentagon - Like This

39. WJSN - Hug U
38. Eyedi - Best Mistake
37. Loona/Yves - new
36. Sistar - Lonely
35. NCT 127 - Back 2 U (AM 01:27)
34. AKMU - Dinosaur
33. A.C.E - Callin'
32. WJSN - I Wish
31. Pristin - Wee Woo

30. Yoo Young Jin, Taeyong - Cure
29. BTOB - Missing You
28. Sonamoo - Friday Night
27. KARD - Don't Recall
26. Winner - Really Really
25. Loona/Odd Eye Circle - Loonatic
24. IU - Through the Night
23. B1A4 - Rollin'
22. B.I.G - 1.2.3
21. Limesoda - ZZZ (feat. MC Gree)

20. Dreamcatcher - Fly High
19. Lucy - B-Day (feat. Kisum)
18. CLC - Where Are You?
17. KARD - Rumor
16. Loona/Odd Eye Circle - Sweet Crazy Love
15. Code Kunst - Fire Water (feat. G.Soul, Tablo)
14. DIA - Can't Stop
13. Hyukoh - Die Alone
12. Suzy - Yes No Maybe
11. BTS - Spring Day

10. Roy Kim - Egoist
9. Jang Hyunseung - Home
8. Gugudan - A Girl Like Me
7. CNBlue - Between Us
6. Laboum - Hwi Hwi
5. CLC - Hobgoblin
4. Red Velvet - Red Flavor
3. Subin - Circle's Dream
2. Ha:tfelt - I Wander (feat. Gaeko)
1. Pentagon - Violet
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Menji
01/11/18 2:21:42 PM
#158:


PumpkinCoach posted...
19. Lucy - B-Day (feat. Kisum)


Wasn't this number one earlier this year?

Omissions from your list that I would have top 15 would be Likey, As If It's Your Last, and Power.

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PumpkinCoach
01/11/18 2:41:19 PM
#159:


it was top 10 i think, but not number 1. 'circle's dream' was 1st for the longest time then it was 'home'.

emotionally, 'home' is still 1st ofc.
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GTN
01/12/18 2:02:55 PM
#160:


i think paul had a better final argument
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GTN
01/13/18 2:02:55 PM
#161:


lauren's asleep?
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GTN
01/14/18 2:02:56 PM
#162:


is it tagged for bumpation?
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PumpkinCoach
01/14/18 5:57:01 PM
#163:


sujin and sara having to repeatedly correct jiwon's fingers is the most i've laughed at mixnine since that time they repeated her getting the same note wrong 30 times. what a gem.
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PumpkinCoach
01/15/18 8:01:59 PM
#164:


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTi7LKDV4AAY22x.jpg

aw yeah doyeonjung, thank you isac
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01/15/18 8:12:08 PM
#165:


also, stuff i meant to post but forgot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIuJIa8TL7A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GF1FaTyDCRw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDkM9ZzRs5c


should i watch blackpink tv
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01/17/18 2:00:32 AM
#166:


nope vpn doesnt want to work tonight, i'll try again some other time
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PumpkinCoach
01/17/18 7:06:25 PM
#168:


the entirety of their EP last year. also these:

Bolbbalgan4 - Tell Me You Love Me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5MAgMVwfFs


Bolbbalgan4 , 20 Years Of Age - We Loved
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1pGxkXyDvc


might as well check out their first full album too. they have a pretty small discography so far.

oh, and their weekly idol appearance was good.
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PumpkinCoach
01/17/18 9:14:59 PM
#169:


Girlkind - Fanci
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRoednGUmCE

song's whatever, but hey it's seheun (produce 101)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LMJ6Sb0wRA

the fanchants tho
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PumpkinCoach
01/17/18 10:30:59 PM
#170:


digging into it, and sounds like they were a dance group turned idol group?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0ZQim2xidY


the main vocalist's stage name is 'medic jin', and that's good as hell

and to tie my last two posts together:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCAAjtr_LXY

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paerarru
01/18/18 2:02:19 PM
#171:


PumpkinCoach posted...
sujin and sara having to repeatedly correct jiwon's fingers is the most i've laughed at mixnine since that time they repeated her getting the same note wrong 30 times. what a gem.

lol... okay I'd like to preface my next comment by saying that I really like Jiwon, ever since she joined Berry Good. I mean whatever else you can say she's a hottie so you know I'm not just saying this. She's actually my favorite in that team. But she's gotta be the most pitiful survival contestant ever, or rather they make her look that way. They make Sohye look like a prodigy next to her, seriously.

What was your favorite performance? I've learned we have somewhat different tastes so I bet it wasn't Hush, because that was mine. One of my favorite performances in the show so far in fact, loved it.

Also! I don't know how close you're following so you might already know but if not I'm glad to be the one to tell you that in the rankings I saw Eyedi in like 4th place in votes! Woot!

aw yeah doyeonjung, thank you isac

Aw yeah, can't wait.

I really like this next song, it's an old cover but yeah. Also I'd like to take this opportunity to officially proclaim Seojeong as the cutest, most adorable idol ever, and yes that is saying a lot but seriously. You name them, she takes the cake.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVLXJfdhBtg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDnVvc7Xi1I

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01/18/18 6:14:46 PM
#172:


It's crazy how much everyone was shitting on her in that episode. It was probably made worse because she wasn't there for most of it, but even when she's there in past episodes, she's treated like a burden. With Sohye, they emphasize her improvement, and how her teammates helped her. With Jiwon, they emphasize her mistakes, and how no one seems to like her. Her edit is probably most similar to Kwon Hyunbin's, but there the ribbing was at least affectionate, and he pulled off a reversal by the end, which Jiwon won't have time to do. Regardless, her character is genuinely great. I just went back to those 2 moments and burst out laughing.

"What's Jiwon's position?" "... visual?"

'Hush' was my favourite too, and not just because it has 4 of my top 9 and was produced by Ilhoon. It highlighted everyone really well.
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01/18/18 11:39:16 PM
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PumpkinCoach
01/19/18 2:01:07 AM
#174:


great song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdVVaVfQET0


i guess ISAC matters again if it's where we can get our IOI
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01/19/18 2:10:34 AM
#175:


Who's the one with her back to us? Somi?
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PumpkinCoach
01/19/18 2:14:24 AM
#176:


it's doyeon
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01/19/18 7:57:46 PM
#177:


bias sorters are fun

Mixnine girls (top 27):
1. Lee Sumin (FAVE)
2. Nam Yoojin (Base Camp)
3. Kim Sihyun (Music Works)
4. Go Ara (ASTORY)
5. Jung Hayoon (Maroo)
6. Kim Minkyung (Mostable Music)
7. Hwang Jimin (Mystic)
8. Kim Sori (Mole)
9. Jeon Heejin (Blockberry)

Mixnine boys (top 27):
1. Woo Taewoon (Million Market)
2. Woo Jinyoung (Happy Face)
3. Lee Donghun (Beat Interactive)
4. Kim Hyojin (WM)
5. Shim Jaeyoung (WM)
6. Park Minkyun (WM)
7. Kim Gukheon (Music Works)
8. Kim Hyeonsu (Happy Face)
9. Kim Minseok (WM)

The Unit girls (top 32):
1. Somyi (DIA)
2. Semi (Matilda)
3. Euijin (SONAMOO)
4. Lee Juhyun
5. Yang Jiwon (ex-SPICA)
6. Shin Jihoon
7. Dana (Matilda)
8. Woohee (Dal Shabet)
9. Haein (LABOUM)

The Unit boys (top 32):
1. B-Joo (Topp Dogg)
2. Jun (A.C.E)
3. Chan (A.C.E)
4. Jun (U-KISS)
5. Jeup (IMFACT)
6. Heedo (B.I.G)
7. Sungjun (Boys' Republic)
8. Feeldog (BIGSTAR)
9. Euijin (BIGFLO)
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01/21/18 2:01:46 AM
#178:


hopefully i didnt miss anything
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paerarru
01/21/18 4:52:20 AM
#179:


PumpkinCoach posted...
It's crazy how much everyone was shitting on her in that episode.

Yeah, it was bordering right on mean. And I mean Hyunbin is a guy. I'm not saying anything, I mean it's just different. There's a similar thing going on with Jungha on The Unit, have you noticed. At least whenever I check. I mean we knew it was going to be like this, of course.

'Hush' was my favourite too, and not just because it has 4 of my top 9 and was produced by Ilhoon. It highlighted everyone really well.

Oh okay, cheers. :) I agree, without saying anything bad about the other teams, I actually could see and enjoy each one of them. And oh that's right, BtoB! That's cool. See, where else would I get these connections without you. Almost nobody makes them. I mean they're right there for whoever knows of course, or if you can actually follow in Korean, but like the Coed School connection.

PumpkinCoach posted...
i guess ISAC matters again if it's where we can get our IOI

No BTS or W1, it's not relevant! ;p
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01/21/18 9:38:35 AM
#180:


Nah, everyone is incredibly nice to Jungha. From the beginning they emphasized that his lack of skills is fine, because there's more to being an idol. On his latest team he had a broken leg, and the team made sure he didn't feel like a burden, and listened to his ideas a lot. Plus he had Ungjae there for him from day 1. It's like a Sohye situation, but even nicer because it's The Unit. Jiwon never had an Ungjae or Sejeong reaching out to her, at least not on screen. Actually, it was funny when she was pouring her heart out to Rui because it's the closest she ever had to a sympathetic ear, and it was with the Japanese member who probably didn't know what she was saying and just nodded along silently, and who can't leave because it was her room too.

Final eliminations for Mixnine happened. I want Lee Jaejun to barely scrape by all the way to the top 9 now.
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Solioxrz362
01/21/18 7:33:34 PM
#181:


Update on my kpop topic that I made recently

I watched live videos of Dal Shabet and sadly realized Subin is not quite the singer live that she is on the record

She's still pretty good though

I still have to listen to her solo stuff
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01/22/18 11:18:23 PM
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01/23/18 8:25:21 PM
#184:


jimin singles just keep getting worse and worse
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01/25/18 12:11:55 AM
#185:


Jonghyun - Shinin'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J41qe-TM1DY

don't know what to say really other than you did well, jonghyun.

fromis_9 - To Heart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFUHS1Ei7qw

pretty much what you'd expect concept-wise, right down to getting gfriend's producer. good song, though.

Chungha - Roller Coaster
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=900X9fDFLc4

yeah, i neglected to post this earlier, but i'm posting it now because it's starting to grow on me a bit.

Rainz - Turn It Up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECkZ2eKGyck

hey, can rainz be permanent? also, are dubstep breakdowns coming back? this is like the 2nd time this month and it's alarming.
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paerarru
01/25/18 7:44:45 AM
#186:


PumpkinCoach posted...
Final eliminations for Mixnine happened.

I went ahead and watched the episode raw. Can't bother to wait! Somehow I've ended up more interested in M9 than The Unit. The Unit has a nice flow, too, but I see what you mean about M9 being more exciting, like the performances. Once they muzzled YG the show did get much better. Still messy, really messy, but better. That 'Tear Queen' montage though lol.

There's also the fact that I'm pretty satisfied with M9's results so far. Perhaps because I didn't have too many hopes or expectations going in. If you just take out Hyokyung (nothing against her, just meh) and put in any of a number of girls in instead, preferably Sori I guess, I'd be happy with the top 9. Sujin would also have been fine.

I'm not the biggest Chanmi fan or anything but dang. Too bad about Kim Sihyun also, she's really cute. I never really noticed her before, even on Produce, but she was great on Hush. Now I have to go all the way back and start watching her. See a lot of girls I like didn't make it, Jiwon, Rui, Minju, and yet I'm still fine, that's how satisfied I am. I'm specially happy that Bella made it to the end.

How come you stan ACE on TU but you don't like Byeonkwang lol. Also don't you like Rokhyun? And I see you're not in on the Marco fever either haha.

For TU, which perf did you like best? Mine was of course Sweet, oh I love that team. And if this must be the last time I see Woohee on stage... sigh. Serri also, I'm fine with Always taking first. All the songs were okay really, but Poco A Poco, that's not a bad song and the girls did fine but yeah they should never have done that song. Unnies are too heavy for just Somyi and Lucky to carry. Yoonjo's adorable though haha.
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01/25/18 8:32:46 AM
#187:


PumpkinCoach posted...
don't know what to say really other than you did well, jonghyun.

Nod. Man one of my favorite male singers, from my favorite boy group, I'm telling you smh.

pretty much what you'd expect concept-wise, right down to getting gfriend's producer. good song, though.

It is expected. And you really think so? I mean yeah. It's gonna be a long road for fromis though. I'll be on it though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJS3uhsZhn4


yeah, i neglected to post this earlier, but i'm posting it now because it's starting to grow on me a bit.

Yes lol I was surprised actually, I almost beat you to it even! Yeah Chungha's always solid good, one of the most talented idols all around really, and of course a sweetheart.

What are Rainz, why are they not permanent? You tell me please, I won't look it up.

My ChaeKyul beats your DYJ! :p

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UuOC6bGCJE


I will now hijack the rest of my space to fanboy on gugudan, thank you very much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-s_4-eO2-E


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkDwFTWSzgI

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01/25/18 3:15:37 PM
#188:


paerarru posted...
There's also the fact that I'm pretty satisfied with M9's results so far.

Lee Soomin was my top pick on Produce 101, so it's gratifying that she's been firmly in 2nd the whole time with a narrower gap between her and 1st place than ever (though I still expect Ryujin to take it in the end). On top of that, my second fave Eyedi is in the top 9, though not exactly guaranteed to stay. Seriously, this never happens to me, so yeah, this might be the best top 9 on one of these shows ever. Also, I like Jang Hyokyung! With two eliminations from my top 9 above, I'd probably swap in her and uhhh Lee Hayoung.

paerarru posted...
Too bad about Kim Sihyun also, she's really cute.

Best dancer on the show. I was really hoping the 3rd place benefit points would have saved her. Music Works somehow had both the best dancer and rapper on Mixnine, and I'd be interested to see what they do with them next.

paerarru posted...
How come you stan ACE on TU but you don't like Byeonkwang lol.

I've turned on him a bit the last few eps, at least in the context of the show. A combination of the inevitability, the YG favouritism, and the mild elitism in his portrayal. I like him otherwise though, and if you asked me to sit down and hash out a top 9, I might have include him, but results are different when you're making snap decisions as quick as possible on a sorter. Same with Sehyoon, who I like but when I'm focusing on the show, he's not been shown much lately so he lost out in the moment

On The Unit, I like a lot of people, but not everyone can make my top 9! I think The Unit has been better at making the case for more people. My Unit G top 9 especially would probably change every time I take the sorter. In contrast, there were at least 2 Mixnine boys who I did not recognize at all even though it's the top 27.

Best performance and song on The Unit was Cosmos even though they SABOTAGED it with those outfits. I don't know how they looked at that song and those members and went with that (not seen the episode yet, only the performances).

paerarru posted...
What are Rainz, why are they not permanent? You tell me please, I won't look it up.

Rainz is a testament to what a phenomenon Broduce was, that a third project group, and one without a single member from the top 20 no less, has just put out their second EP.
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01/25/18 9:36:26 PM
#189:


btob is great - https://twitter.com/melody02100226/status/956482462841937921
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01/26/18 11:58:29 AM
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mixnine live finale

1. the result everyone predicted to happen before the show even began happened
2. fave girls when

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01/26/18 1:42:06 PM
#191:


Universe - Omona
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ClLU23UAsE


omona the best
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01/27/18 2:01:46 PM
#192:


kora you never told us you were in a commercial

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01/28/18 2:02:55 PM
#193:


yes
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double_oh
01/28/18 4:11:17 PM
#194:


So, I've been in and out of the loop for a while, but hoo boy do those RV teasers grab my attention.
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paerarru
01/29/18 10:32:22 PM
#195:


PumpkinCoach posted...
mixnine live finale

1. the result everyone predicted to happen before the show even began happened
2. fave girls when

(finally watched the darn thing!) lol. 'nuff said

double_oh posted...
So, I've been in and out of the loop for a while, but hoo boy do those RV teasers grab my attention.

Hoo boy hoo boy.

Solioxrz362 posted...
Update on my kpop topic that I made recently

Okay let's make it short and sweet. Just stan this group or forever wallow in mediocrity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_CFBjAyPWE

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01/31/18 1:24:31 AM
#196:


After spending some time listening to AOA, BESTie, and Dalshabet (and watching their interviews, and live performances, etc.), I think I've realized why AOA was by far the most popular of those three.

AOA is best at playing the idol. They're always on, just about always confident, basically always professional (at least professional at being pretty and fun), and always ready for the camera. Of course, I'm pretty sure they got their popularity cut in half because of that one scandal they had, but the way they carry themselves is the most idol-ish of the three groups I know well. Also, I'm sure their agency had PLENTY of funds to promote them in every way they wanted.

BESTie had the talent, but they just weren't ready when they debuted and it took them too long to get into their right spot. And then by the time they'd released a couple songs that were showing their maturity and progression as a group, they lost Dahye and Uji lmfao

Dal Shabet... idk, their lives aren't super great and the consistency in their songs isn't very good. They've got some real gems and then some stuff that I think is total garbage. Subin could be idol of all time but her voice isn't as steady as it should be when she's main vocal in her group (otherwise she's amazing though, and in the studio she sounds fantastic). And I'm pretty sure Joker was banned from broadcast when it first came out? Probably never helps when that happens.
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01/31/18 6:33:05 PM
#197:


Solioxrz362 posted...
After spending some time listening to AOA, BESTie, and Dalshabet (and watching their interviews, and live performances, etc.), I think I've realized why AOA was by far the most popular of those three.

AOA is best at playing the idol. They're always on, just about always confident, basically always professional (at least professional at being pretty and fun), and always ready for the camera. Of course, I'm pretty sure they got their popularity cut in half because of that one scandal they had, but the way they carry themselves is the most idol-ish of the three groups I know well. Also, I'm sure their agency had PLENTY of funds to promote them in every way they wanted.

BESTie had the talent, but they just weren't ready when they debuted and it took them too long to get into their right spot. And then by the time they'd released a couple songs that were showing their maturity and progression as a group, they lost Dahye and Uji lmfao

Dal Shabet... idk, their lives aren't super great and the consistency in their songs isn't very good. They've got some real gems and then some stuff that I think is total garbage. Subin could be idol of all time but her voice isn't as steady as it should be when she's main vocal in her group (otherwise she's amazing though, and in the studio she sounds fantastic). And I'm pretty sure Joker was banned from broadcast when it first came out? Probably never helps when that happens.

That's all good and true, but here you can see a very simple but powerful reason why AOA was popular:

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/56/e9/11/56e91108cba72b95048c2c6f2346c6d6.jpg

Seriously, don't underestimate the power of a nice pair of jeans. Kpop is image, man. At least this part of it is. The reasons why groups succeed or not sadly often don't have that much to do with the members, it's circumstances beyond their control, or just plain luck. If there was some magic formula everyone would just follow it. There's no such thing. There's too many groups, and you have to catch a lucky break. Or several. You're right about the agency though. If the group is managed by an agency with resources, a more prestigious agency with clout and connections, well that gives them more opportunities to catch those breaks, makes it easier to get them.

It's luck, luck for your image. Look at Bestie, or any group, why were they not successful? Actually Bestie has a pretty weird, controversial history.

http://netizenbuzz.blogspot.com/2015/01/pann-story-behind-split-between-exid.html
https://onehallyu.com/topic/131774-bestieexid-split-and-what-doesnt-add-up-from-that-pann-post/
https://www.soompi.com/2016/08/03/besties-uji-reveals-left-exid/

Shrug. Instead, EXID have found success, at least enough to the point that they're still around. Why? Because they came out a better group after Bestie left? No.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmKuGxb23z0


AOA bounced back okay from their scandal. It was a dumb thing that no one really cared about that much.
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Solioxrz362
01/31/18 6:58:11 PM
#198:


Fair point. I figured it was some luck mixed in with the other stuff I was saying, but now that I think about it's probably more luck.

I hear that Seolhyun pic has cutouts in subways lol... and then people steal them. That kind of popularity is craazzzyyyyyy
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paerarru
01/31/18 7:46:35 PM
#199:


Solioxrz362 posted...
Fair point. I figured it was some luck mixed in with the other stuff I was saying, but now that I think about it's probably more luck.

For sure, don't get me wrong. Everything you said is fine, I might agree with most or all of it, even. Some groups are better than others, and people have their taste so there are trends and markets, and so on, and yeah some groups know what to do better, etc, it's true. And yeah there is such a thing as talent, experience, etc, of course. I'm just saying in the end, success and popularity.

I hear that Seolhyun pic has cutouts in subways lol... and then people steal them. That kind of popularity is craazzzyyyyyy

Yeah lol. Whom do you like in AOA? I think you mentioned it but I forgot. I think you liked Chanmi iirc. I like Chanmi also. Have you decided on any other groups to like? It's too bad you're taking more of an interest at a time when the older groups are starting to move on...
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01/31/18 8:07:26 PM
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I have different rankings of AOA members based on whether we give preference to personality or musical ability, but overall I'd probably say this:

Choa >> Chanmi > Yuna > Mina > Hyejeong >> Seolhyun >>>>>> Jimin

Not a Jimin fan, probably the only member I don't actively really like. Seolhyun's pretty good, but I feel like her personality switches being idol mode and then slightly crazy girl. Then the other 5 are all pretty awesome. I just think Choa's the most talented (at least vocally) plus she's really mature.

Other than those 3 groups I haven't really listened to much. I remember I kinda liked a Cosmic Girls song but I don't remember which one. I know about other groups, just haven't taken the time to listen.
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