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ShatteredElysium
12/03/17 6:47:50 AM
#101:


Paratroopa1 posted...
ShatteredElysium posted...
Yeah, on the face of it it looks bad when you schedule FAU, Utah State and BYU. But I'm not sure that's any worse than what Alabama scheduled in FSU, Fresno State and Mercer since FSU were garbage this year and FAU won their conference.

It isn't any worse, Wisconsin actually has the superior OOC schedule when you consider their fourth game is essentially an extra Big Ten game... but Alabama's schedule sucks, too. They just get a free pass for it 'cause they're 'Bama. So they're not exactly the ones you want to compare yourself to, here.

That said, Wisconsin also dodged having to play Ohio State (until the championship game) or Penn State, so their Big Ten schedule was really soft. The Big Ten is pretty weak at the bottom and Wisconsin fed on that.


They did but you can't control your in conference schedule. They had a lot of 'names' on their schedule or at least teams who were ranked last year. Northwestern, Nebraska, Michigan, Iowa, Minnesota. Those are usually ranked/fringe ranked teams.

And yeah Alabama's not a great comparison but they also are because Alabamas 3 ranked wins include Fresno State and Miss State (i.e. 24 and 25 who debatably shouldn't be ranked). I don't care what the rankings say, no fucking way is a Fresno State win more valuable than a Michigan win (whose 4 losses are all to ranked teams, whose other losses except Iowa are also ranked teams). I'd almost say those 2 are ranked purely for Alabama's benefit. Alabama's only good win this year is an LSU team who also lost to Troy but I don't need to tell you that since you have been on Bamas case for weak schedule
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Forceful_Dragon
12/03/17 10:01:37 AM
#102:


ShatteredElysium posted...
no fucking way is a Fresno State win more valuable than a Michigan win


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ShatteredElysium
12/03/17 11:34:21 AM
#103:


Won't happen but honestly they should just put UCF in the playoffs. We don't deserve it because we got hammered by Iowa. Alabama don't deserve it because they haven't beaten anyone, like seriously i value UCFs wins over Memphis twice and USF more than anything Alabama has done. USC don't deserve it because they got murdered by Notre Dame.
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Dr_Football
12/03/17 12:37:46 PM
#104:


lolOSU
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SSJBKK20Vegito
12/03/17 12:38:42 PM
#105:


The right decision was made.

Fuck resume.

Put in the 4 best teams.
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TheRock1525
12/03/17 12:42:04 PM
#106:


I mean, they literally flipped a coin to decide. Alabama didn't play anyone this year.
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Meow1000
12/03/17 12:42:10 PM
#107:


Yep.

I think OSU needed to make a statement win over Wisconsin like they did two years ago.

The win they got wasn't good enough.
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Dr_Football
12/03/17 12:44:34 PM
#108:


BTW this will be the first ever matchup between OU and Georgia
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SSJBKK20Vegito
12/03/17 12:46:32 PM
#109:


TheRock1525 posted...
I mean, they literally flipped a coin to decide. Alabama didn't play anyone this year.


Resume shouldn't matter when close.... and it didn't.

Who is the best team...

And the answer is CLEARLY Bama.

Bama can beat Clemson.

None of us should believe that OSU would lose by any less than 24 to them.
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SSJBKK20Vegito
12/03/17 12:47:06 PM
#110:


Dr_Football posted...
BTW this will be the first ever matchup between OU and Georgia


I saw that last night. That's just crazy to me they never played in a Sugar or Cotton Bowl.
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kevwaffles
12/03/17 12:47:59 PM
#111:


Lol, they didn't flip a coin. Literally any other school in Alabama's position would have been passed up for Ohio State. Money was the deciding factor.
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Leonhart4
12/03/17 12:48:31 PM
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kevwaffles
12/03/17 12:50:09 PM
#113:


SSJBKK20Vegito posted...
Dr_Football posted...
BTW this will be the first ever matchup between OU and Georgia


I saw that last night. That's just crazy to me they never played in a Sugar or Cotton Bowl.

They've historically not both been especially good at the same time very often, I think.
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Meow1000
12/03/17 12:50:13 PM
#114:


Kirby is acting like it wasn't even close between Bama and OSU

Last week he said the margin from 5 to 8 was "thin" so ok
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Leonhart4
12/03/17 12:51:27 PM
#115:


The SEC East rarely plays in the Cotton Bowl for travel reasons, so there's that, too. Pretty sure Tennessee is the only East team to play in the Cotton Bowl in like the last 25 years.
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SSJBKK20Vegito
12/03/17 12:58:36 PM
#116:


Meow1000 posted...
Kirby is acting like it wasn't even close between Bama and OSU

Last week he said the margin from 5 to 8 was "thin" so ok


I told you what he said Tuesday meant literally nothing...

They said everything with their rankings.

Bama was never ever not making it if one of the top 4 that wasn't Auburn lost.
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ShatteredElysium
12/03/17 1:02:46 PM
#117:


Alabama didn't deserve it but neither did we. No complaints from me about missing out. If you lose by 31 points to a 7-5 team then you don't deserve to make it regardless of the rest of your resume.

Alabama get in because they are Alabama. I don't like that you can get in with a loss on your resume when you have beaten nobody but there just wasn't any other choice really. Penn State might actually be the 4th best team but they just fucked it up with close losses.

I genuinely would have liked to see UCF there though. Kinda as a 'Fuck it, you're all shit and don't deserve it, we are giving it to the team who didn't lose'.

Also screw all you guys hating on OSU. I think I'm the only OSU fan in this topic and all year long whether win or lose I'm gracious and generally give a honest opinion on shit and not a homer opinion. Yet any chance you get, you always take a shot at us.
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TheRock1525
12/03/17 1:06:34 PM
#118:


kevwaffles posted...
Lol, they didn't flip a coin. Literally any other school in Alabama's position would have been passed up for Ohio State. Money was the deciding factor.


Yeah but OSU is also another school they have massive hard-ons for so they were like "which whiny cry baby do we piss off?"

Hence, the coinflip.
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SSJBKK20Vegito
12/03/17 1:07:40 PM
#119:


ShatteredElysium posted...
Alabama didn't deserve it but neither did we. No complaints from me about missing out. If you lose by 31 points to a 7-5 team then you don't deserve to make it regardless of the rest of your resume.

Alabama get in because they are Alabama. I don't like that you can get in with a loss on your resume when you have beaten nobody but there just wasn't any other choice really. Penn State might actually be the 4th best team but they just fucked it up with close losses.

I genuinely would have liked to see UCF there though. Kinda as a 'Fuck it, you're all shit and don't deserve it, we are giving it to the team who didn't lose'.

Also screw all you guys hating on OSU. I think I'm the only OSU fan in this topic and all year long whether win or lose I'm gracious and generally give a honest opinion on shit and not a homer opinion. Yet any chance you get, you always take a shot at us.


I would have put in UCF.... they actually DID earn it. But that was sadly never gonna happen. And if it came down to Bama or OSU it was a no brainer. The one who could hang with Clemson.
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jcgamer107
12/03/17 1:08:05 PM
#120:


Soooo it was pretty clear that Ohio St was #4, but alright. Ohio St has 2 Top 10 wins. Bama's only crack vs a Top 10 team was a loss, but the committee was still like, "that's alright, you're still in, right this way." They're only encouraging playoff expansion when they can't even get the damn teams right.
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ShatteredElysium
12/03/17 1:10:19 PM
#121:


It's because we lost to Iowa by a lot. When you have a loss that bad on your resume then it's out of your hands and you can't complain about it. We can't even say it was close or blame it on injuries, we just got destroyed by a bad team
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SSJBKK20Vegito
12/03/17 1:12:37 PM
#122:


jcgamer107 posted...
Soooo it was pretty clear that Ohio St was #4, but alright. Ohio St has 2 Top 10 wins. Bama's only crack vs a Top 10 team was a loss, but the committee was still like, "that's alright, you're still in, right this way." They're only encouraging playoff expansion when they can't even get the damn teams right.


They DID get the teams right... don't lose by 31 to shit.

Everyone keeps saying "who did you beat?" Who gives a fuck who you beat? It should ALWAYS be who you lost too.

Your floor is what matters. All these teams have high ceiling. A team that loses to Iowa by 31 can lose to Clemson by 70....
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jcgamer107
12/03/17 1:18:11 PM
#123:


SSJBKK20Vegito posted...
Who gives a f*** who you beat? It should ALWAYS be who you lost too.

I don't even know how to argue with this. Wins don't matter? OK just load up your schedule and go 0-12. You're in because you have qUaLiTy LosSeS.

Yeah the Iowa loss is bad, obviously, but Iowa themselves are a decent team. Bama should not get a pass for losing their only game vs a top 10 opponent.
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TheRock1525
12/03/17 1:27:14 PM
#124:


Why is the loss to Iowa a bigger factor than OSU beating 2 top 10 teams and 3 top 15 teams?

Alabama beat literally no one. Their only meaningful opponent beat them and finished with 3 losses.
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TheRock1525
12/03/17 1:31:35 PM
#125:


They just showed Alabama had a record of 3-1 against top 40 teams. They beat no one.

Why are we sucking Alabama's dick when they had the same SoS as Wisconsin and yet Wisconsin played their only real opponent closer than Bama did theirs?
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jcgamer107
12/03/17 1:36:04 PM
#126:


I give Bama credit for the LSU and Mississippi St wins, but Ohio St's wins are much better. I'm still having trouble processing "only losses matter". Like wow, what an argument.
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SSJBKK20Vegito
12/03/17 1:37:49 PM
#127:


jcgamer107 posted...
SSJBKK20Vegito posted...
Who gives a f*** who you beat? It should ALWAYS be who you lost too.

I don't even know how to argue with this. Wins don't matter? OK just load up your schedule and go 0-12. You're in because you have qUaLiTy LosSeS.

Yeah the Iowa loss is bad, obviously, but Iowa themselves are a decent team. Bama should not get a pass for losing their only game vs a top 10 opponent.


Because you can't argue it...

What is your worst is all that should matter.

Beating the Philadelphia Eagles should not (and thank god disnt) get rid of the stench of losing to Iowa by 30+ points...
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Maniac64
12/03/17 1:59:14 PM
#128:


SSJBKK20Vegito posted...
jcgamer107 posted...
SSJBKK20Vegito posted...
Who gives a f*** who you beat? It should ALWAYS be who you lost too.

I don't even know how to argue with this. Wins don't matter? OK just load up your schedule and go 0-12. You're in because you have qUaLiTy LosSeS.

Yeah the Iowa loss is bad, obviously, but Iowa themselves are a decent team. Bama should not get a pass for losing their only game vs a top 10 opponent.


Because you can't argue it...

What is your worst is all that should matter.

Beating the Philadelphia Eagles should not (and thank god disnt) get rid of the stench of losing to Iowa by 30+ points...


So... 1.UCF 2. Georgia. 3. Wisconsin 4. Alabama.

only losses matter right? Oklahoma lost to Iowa State. Clemson lost to Syracuse.
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swirIdude
12/03/17 2:00:38 PM
#129:


Losing to Iowa by 30+ is very bad. That's what the committee responded to more than anything. They did the same thing to Ohio State in reverse in 2014 when they boosted Ohio State into the Top 4 after destroying Wisconsin.
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swirIdude
12/03/17 2:01:15 PM
#130:


UCF not in the Top 10, an expected disgrace.
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SSJBKK20Vegito
12/03/17 2:04:59 PM
#131:


Maniac64 posted...
SSJBKK20Vegito posted...
jcgamer107 posted...
SSJBKK20Vegito posted...
Who gives a f*** who you beat? It should ALWAYS be who you lost too.

I don't even know how to argue with this. Wins don't matter? OK just load up your schedule and go 0-12. You're in because you have qUaLiTy LosSeS.

Yeah the Iowa loss is bad, obviously, but Iowa themselves are a decent team. Bama should not get a pass for losing their only game vs a top 10 opponent.


Because you can't argue it...

What is your worst is all that should matter.

Beating the Philadelphia Eagles should not (and thank god disnt) get rid of the stench of losing to Iowa by 30+ points...


So... 1.UCF 2. Georgia. 3. Wisconsin 4. Alabama.

only losses matter right? Oklahoma lost to Iowa State. Clemson lost to Syracuse.


Honest to god... I'm ranking it it might be exactly that.

OU is in the debate because ISU isn't awful, and Wisky didn't play anyone, AND didn't blow them out... not to mention the OSU tie breaker.

UCF, Georgia and Bama for sure....

No respect whatsoever for Clemson losing to Syracuse... a team that didn't win a single game the rest of the year.
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kevwaffles
12/03/17 2:15:02 PM
#132:


Unlike Ohio State, Clemson actually has the injury excuse against Syracuse and still only lost by 3. I don't think most anyone else gets that same treatment for that loss, but it's not the most ridiculous thing in the world either.
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Maniac64
12/03/17 2:16:32 PM
#133:


I would honestly put the Syracuse loss on the same level as the Iowa blowout. At least Iowa is a decent team.
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jcgamer107
12/03/17 2:20:14 PM
#134:


SSJBKK20Vegito posted...
Honest to god... I'm ranking it it might be exactly that.

thank you for reaffirming that your opinion is meaningless. so SOS has no bearing whatsoever - just play nobodies and go undefeated. alright. how many teams do you think would go undefeated with UCF's schedule?

Maniac64 posted...
Iowa is a decent team.

right, same as Iowa St. hell, Iowa beat Iowa St.
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kevwaffles
12/03/17 2:21:33 PM
#135:


If not for Kelly Bryant entering the game already injured before leaving with a concussion, I'd call it worse. (He never should have been playing during that game at all, from what I can tell.)

Of course, if he goes out during the playoffs to any of these teams Clemson's fucked.
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SSJBKK20Vegito
12/03/17 2:21:59 PM
#136:


kevwaffles posted...
Unlike Ohio State, Clemson actually has the injury excuse against Syracuse and still only lost by 3. I don't think most anyone else gets that same treatment for that loss, but it's not the most ridiculous thing in the world either.


It would be different if Syracuse wasn't THAT bad....

Baylor won more games the rest of the year than Syracuse did....

That Syracuse loss is the equivalent of the potential #1 overall seed in the NCAA losing to a team ranked in the 320's (out of 350) in the computers and still giving them a one seed. Absolutely inexcusable, injuries or not...
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SSJBKK20Vegito
12/03/17 2:23:04 PM
#137:


jcgamer107 posted...
SSJBKK20Vegito posted...
Honest to god... I'm ranking it it might be exactly that.

thank you for reaffirming that your opinion is meaningless. so SOS has no bearing whatsoever - just play nobodies and go undefeated. alright. how many teams do you think would go undefeated with UCF's schedule?

Maniac64 posted...
Iowa is a decent team.

right, same as Iowa St. hell, Iowa beat Iowa St.


WIN YOUR GAMES!!!!!

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Blocksby
12/03/17 2:23:31 PM
#138:


Hypothetical

Ohio State schedules Mercer instead of Oklahoma and they win. Does a 1 loss Ohio State get in over Alabama despite the Iowa loss?
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SSJBKK20Vegito
12/03/17 2:25:39 PM
#139:


Blocksby posted...
Hypothetical

Ohio State schedules Mercer instead of Oklahoma and they win. Does a 1 loss Ohio State get in over Alabama despite the Iowa loss?


Shouldn't.

Iowa by 31 at home vs Auburn by 12 on the road.
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jcgamer107
12/03/17 2:34:22 PM
#140:


I can't fathom ignoring 2 top 10 wins.
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SSJBKK20Vegito
12/03/17 2:35:13 PM
#141:


jcgamer107 posted...
I can't fathom ignoring 2 top 10 wins.


Easy....

Don't lose by 31 at home...
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kevwaffles
12/03/17 2:39:32 PM
#142:


SSJBKK20Vegito posted...
jcgamer107 posted...
I can't fathom ignoring 2 top 10 wins.


Easy....

Don't lose by 31 at home...

Iowa was a road game.
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SSJBKK20Vegito
12/03/17 2:41:37 PM
#143:


kevwaffles posted...
SSJBKK20Vegito posted...
jcgamer107 posted...
I can't fathom ignoring 2 top 10 wins.


Easy....

Don't lose by 31 at home...

Iowa was a road game.


Don't lose by 31 period then.

If you don't include OSU the first year (should SHOULD have been TCU) I don't believe any team before Bama this year (12) had ever lost by more than nine and made the playoff.
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LeonhartFour
12/03/17 2:50:32 PM
#144:


The best thing about the Syracuse game is that they haven't won a game since they beat Clemson.
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kevwaffles
12/03/17 3:05:09 PM
#145:


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Meow1000
12/03/17 3:07:30 PM
#146:


Capitol One Fraud Bowl sounds better.
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ShatteredElysium
12/03/17 3:15:15 PM
#147:


Actually Wisconsin are a good example of why Alabama shouldn't get in. Wisconsin's record is as good as Alabama's, same SOS and their loss is by less to a higher ranked team
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LeonhartFour
12/03/17 3:16:26 PM
#148:


but Wisconsin doesn't pass the EYE TEST

(plus nobody actually wanted to watch them in the playoffs)
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TheRock1525
12/03/17 3:18:06 PM
#149:


ShatteredElysium posted...
Actually Wisconsin are a good example of why Alabama shouldn't get in. Wisconsin's record is as good as Alabama's, same SOS and their loss is by less to a higher ranked team


Yup, they're both 1 loss teams who beat nobody and didn't win their respective conferences, but one of them the committee has a default hardon for so they were gonna give them every excuse in the book.

Like I'm not going to say that they got it wrong, but people acting like Alabama 100% deserved it no questions asked are being ridiculous.
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SSJBKK20Vegito
12/03/17 3:20:18 PM
#150:


TheRock1525 posted...
ShatteredElysium posted...
Actually Wisconsin are a good example of why Alabama shouldn't get in. Wisconsin's record is as good as Alabama's, same SOS and their loss is by less to a higher ranked team


Yup, they're both 1 loss teams who beat nobody and didn't win their respective conferences, but one of them the committee has a default hardon for so they were gonna give them every excuse in the book.

Like I'm not going to say that they got it wrong, but people acting like Alabama 100% deserved it no questions asked are being ridiculous.


Over OSU.... yup.

100% lock no questions asked.

Had they put Wisconsin in I wouldn't have had a problem with it. I'd disageee, but you argue 6 to OSU is better than 12 to Aubrun.
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