Poll of the Day > The Mayans were off by 5 years and a week!

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The end of the world is this Thursday
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Ogurisama posted...

The end of the world is this Thursday

But that's when the Star Wars
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Lokarin posted...

Ogurisama posted...

The end of the world is this Thursday

But that's when the Star Wars

Thats also the Net neutrality vote is
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What's net neutrality?
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Super_Thug44 posted...

What's net neutrality?

net neutrality is the concept that all the 1's and 0's running through the series of tubes are inherently neutral, which means the owners of those tubs can't charge more or make dictates on what can or cannot pass through them.
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they never said the world was gonna end. not like how we see it anyway. mayans had a cyclical world view. they didn't believe in an apocalypse that lasts forever. just a changing of the world.

Lokarin posted...

Super_Thug44 posted...

What's net neutrality?

net neutrality is the concept that all the 1's and 0's running through the series of tubes are inherently neutral, which means the owners of those tubs can't charge more or make dictates on what can or cannot pass through them.

What series of tubes? What do you mean 1s and 0s?
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Ogurisama posted...

Lokarin posted...

Ogurisama posted...

The end of the world is this Thursday

But that's when the Star Wars

Thats also the Net neutrality vote is

Then I guess it is the end of the world... if it happens. But that was my day off. Aw, Fiddlesticks.
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Ogurisama posted...

Lokarin posted...

Ogurisama posted...

The end of the world is this Thursday

But that's when the Star Wars

Thats also the Net neutrality vote is

Given that the legal protection afforded to net neutrality didn't begin until just a few years ago, I'm going to say that this won't be the end of the world =p
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net neutrality is where the cable companies can't regulate it's services. example are throating your interent speed like netflix after watching 10 gigs. or turnning off google pay site, because verizon wants to use their isis payements website instead. (yes their online payment (paypal) is called isis). Net Neutrality ensures that all websites are equal and no websites are closed off.

The FFC are going to vote on the 14th to take away net neutrality so the cables companies can regulate themselves instead of having the FCC regulate them.
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ernieforss posted...

net neutrality is where the cable companies can't regulate it's services. example are throating your interent speed like netflix after watching 10 gigs. or turnning off google pay site, because verizon wants to use their isis payements website instead. (yes their online payment (paypal) is called isis). Net Neutrality ensures that all websites are equal and no websites are closed off.

The FFC are going to vote on the 14th to take away net neutrality so the cables companies can regulate themselves instead of having the FCC regulate them.

Which seems mostly bad.
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Bottom line is net neutrality is good thing.

Don't let other people say that it's a bad thing and that we should get rid of net neutrality. Getting rid of net neutrality will eventually make our internet like what broadcast tv is today, Where you have to buy packages of the websites you want to vists or get the speeds you want to when playing videogames or downloading/streaming movies and games.
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ernieforss posted...

Bottom line is net neutrality is good thing.

Don't let other people say that it's a bad thing and that we should get rid of net neutrality. Getting rid of net neutrality will eventually make our internet like what broadcast tv is today, Where you have to buy packages of the websites you want to vists or get the speeds you want to when playing videogames or downloading/streaming movies and games.

Yep. I was trying to explain it to my friend.
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Zeus posted...

Given that the legal protection afforded to net neutrality didn't begin until just a few years ago, I'm going to say that this won't be the end of the world =p

and it came about a few years ago, cause isps wanted a share of Netflix's profits

But yeah, let's pretend we're in a fantasy world where corporations are trustworthy and won't exploit their new power.
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The end of the world is every Thursday
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ernieforss posted...

Bottom line is net neutrality is good thing.

Don't let other people say that it's a bad thing and that we should get rid of net neutrality. Getting rid of net neutrality will eventually make our internet like what broadcast tv is today, Where you have to buy packages of the websites you want to vists or get the speeds you want to when playing videogames or downloading/streaming movies and games.

Everything costs money. The days of free internet usage are numbered

While I doubt anything is going to happen immediately(at least I hope not) it doesn't look good.
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OmegaTomHank posted...

Everything costs money. The days of free internet usage are numbered

that's funny. i don't remember getting internet for free.
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ernieforss posted...

net neutrality is where the cable companies can't regulate it's services. example are throating your interent speed like netflix after watching 10 gigs. or turnning off google pay site, because verizon wants to use their isis payements website instead. (yes their online payment (paypal) is called isis). Net Neutrality ensures that all websites are equal and no websites are closed off.

You mean throttling and technically they still can throttle you now, but it just can't be on the basis of content. In general, legislation like this is going to move us towards the day when internet is charged like a utility where rates are determined by usage.

dragon504 posted...

Zeus posted...

Given that the legal protection afforded to net neutrality didn't begin until just a few years ago, I'm going to say that this won't be the end of the world =p

and it came about a few years ago, cause isps wanted a share of Netflix's profits

But yeah, let's pretend we're in a fantasy world where corporations are trustworthy and won't exploit their new power.

New power? You just acknowledged that they've been able to do this all along. More importantly, this is a matter of corporation vs corporation -- Freddy vs Jason style. Keep in mind that, among other things, Netflix is once again raising its rates (for HD content, the kind of stuff which costs your ISP more to provide to you) and recently exposed the kind of tracking it does on its users when it tweeted a comment mocking how many users had watched The Christmas Prince at least once a day.
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Zeus posted...

Netflix [...] recently exposed the kind of tracking it does on its users when it tweeted a comment mocking how many users had watched The Christmas Prince at least once a day.

Wait, you mean the "Consent to Use of Data" portion of Netflix's EULA wasn't just for shits and giggles? They actually were tracking usage statistics? I am shocked and appalled. How dare they do the thing said they'd be doing and that each user agreed to allow them to do by accepting the EULA.
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ernieforss posted...

Bottom line is net neutrality is good thing.

Don't let other people say that it's a bad thing and that we should get rid of net neutrality. Getting rid of net neutrality will eventually make our internet like what broadcast tv is today, Where you have to buy packages of the websites you want to vists or get the speeds you want to when playing videogames or downloading/streaming movies and games.

Ok because that's exactly how the internet worked less than four years ago.

Net neutrality is about government control. It's a nice name, but it means more government.

Patriot Act. Nice sounding name. If you don't support it, you must not love America. Result: increased surveillance on ordinary citizens.

Affordable care act. Nice sounding name. If you're against it, you want poor people to die. Result: government got it's hands in healthcare, many including myself saw their healthcare costs skyrocket.

Net neutrality. Nice sounding name. If you don't support it, then you're a terrible person who doesn't understand the implications.

Seems to be a pattern here, from both republicans and democrats. Thing is, people will fall for more government intrusion if it's their side telling them that it's necessary.

Use your head a little bit. What financial incentive does an ISP have to restrict the number of sites you can access? You realize that only adds costs, right? And to what benefit.... to lose their customers to the other ISPs that aren't doing this hypothetical online package subscription nonsense that never once happened ever in the entire history of internet before 2014? Now.... what benefits do the government get by getting the authority to regulate content on the internet?

Of course ISPs are bribing republicans to repeal it. Comcast wants to maximize profits. Republicans only want the campaign contributions. But that doesn't mean that granting regulatory control of the internet to unelected bureaucrats is at all a good idea.
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We are all dead already, so yeah, sorry folks, world won't end, this is our eternity. Get used to it.
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You know, I keep seeing this "before 2014" argument bandied around, so I guess I'd better step up and tell you all it's a fucking bullshit argument.

See, back in the years before the Title II classification, DSL was pretty fucking prevalent. And DSL was classified as Title II, because it ran through fucking phone lines. As cable and fiber broadband overtook DSL in usage, the Title II protections on the internet faded, which allowed Comcast to throttle Netflix to extort Netflix into paying Comcast more money to not have their data throttled. Yes, this is a thing that actually happened.

A variety of court cases tried to stop that kind of thing from happening, but because cable and fiber broadband were not subject to the protections offered by Title II classification, most of these court cases were found in favor of the ISPs.

And I guess I have to remind you that these ISPs hold a series of virtual regional monopolies on providing access to the internet. People generally don't have viable options for internet access. They either go with the big ISP that holds a virtual monopoly, or they go with slower speeds on smaller ISPs (who are paying the big ISPs for the privilege of using the cable they've laid down anyway).

And there's literally nothing stopping the ISPs from throttling the speeds of those smaller ISPs to extort more money from them except for net neutrality.
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BADoglick posted...

to lose their customers to the other ISPs

What other isps? They collude and govern their respective territories like gangs as it is. You think there's somehow going to be competition that results from this?
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Jen0125 posted...

OmegaTomHank posted...

Everything costs money. The days of free internet usage are numbered

that's funny. i don't remember getting internet for free.

Yeah I don't remember getting free internet, at my house the internet is paid for monthly along with the phone bill.
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dainkinkaide posted...

Zeus posted...

Netflix [...] recently exposed the kind of tracking it does on its users when it tweeted a comment mocking how many users had watched The Christmas Prince at least once a day.

Wait, you mean the "Consent to Use of Data" portion of Netflix's EULA wasn't just for shits and giggles? They actually were tracking usage statistics? I am shocked and appalled. How dare they do the thing said they'd be doing and that each user agreed to allow them to do by accepting the EULA.

idk, dude, sounds like we need a law or something. Maybe like an information neutrality law which limits their ability to collect and store our data.

dainkinkaide posted...

You know, I keep seeing this "before 2014" argument bandied around, so I guess I'd better step up and tell you all it's a fucking bullshit argument.

See, back in the years before the Title II classification, DSL was pretty fucking prevalent. And DSL was classified as Title II, because it ran through fucking phone lines. As cable and fiber broadband overtook DSL in usage, the Title II protections on the internet faded, which allowed Comcast to throttle Netflix to extort Netflix into paying Comcast more money to not have their data throttled. Yes, this is a thing that actually happened.

A variety of court cases tried to stop that kind of thing from happening, but because cable and fiber broadband were not subject to the protections offered by Title II classification, most of these court cases were found in favor of the ISPs.

And I guess I have to remind you that these ISPs hold a series of virtual regional monopolies on providing access to the internet. People generally don't have viable options for internet access. They either go with the big ISP that holds a virtual monopoly, or they go with slower speeds on smaller ISPs (who are paying the big ISPs for the privilege of using the cable they've laid down anyway).

And there's literally nothing stopping the ISPs from throttling the speeds of those smaller ISPs to extort more money from them except for net neutrality.

The problem with that argument (besides a flaky timeline which pretends cable and broadband wasn't big until just a few years ago) is that usage *isn't* the same where infrastructure is concerned and certain services (namely Netflix) have a considerably higher cost attached which they juice their own customers with then pass much of the cost along to the ISP. And, of course, if we're talking about the internet purely as a utility, then it should be charged by metered connectivity rather than flat-rate and generally run like a public utility.
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ernieforss posted...

Bottom line is net neutrality is good thing.

Don't let other people say that it's a bad thing and that we should get rid of net neutrality. Getting rid of net neutrality will eventually make our internet like what broadcast tv is today, Where you have to buy packages of the websites you want to vists or get the speeds you want to when playing videogames or downloading/streaming movies and games.

That must be why that already happened before net neutrality was a thing.
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If Comcast has to spend more to accommodate Netflix, why as a business do they not reserve the right to seek repayment from Netflix?
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JOExHIGASHI posted...

The end of the world is every Thursday

But i like thursday (oh wait, i dont)
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