Board 8 > Final Fantasy Record Keeper Topic 35: So long Torment farming!

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I forgot to say, the two Crystal helms were nice but my luck was TERRIBLE when it came to drawing 5* for about the first year of the game. I remember I didn't get my first soul break until the Garnet/Vivi event about three months in. That was at the time of the first soul break fest and I went 2/55 on draws. Later we had the first lucky draws and I was 1/44. Worst of all was the original Shout banner where I did 6 pulls plus 100 gem and went 4/67 and the 4 were some of the worst relics imaginable: 2 Chameleon Robes, and off-banner Noble's Armguard (XIV), and an off-banner Judgment Staff (V).

Thankfully I think my luck has balanced out since then... I still get runs of awful pulls but they've been balanced out by some really good pulls. This was my best draw ever, from the last fest:


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O.O ^
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nice
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Nova Dragon Torment returns this week, summon and wind orbs! =D

Hopefully I can get Madeen to r4 from farming on him. Also have 142 mythril, might have to hold off on the DU Lucky Draw for 3 pulls on Onion Knight this Thursday.
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I dropped a couple of draws on this second FFVI banner

Went 2/11 and 1/11

Got

Sabin Ultra
Locke Chain
Strago Legend Materia

Low on quantity but I can't complain much since Locke and Sabin relics were the most wanted on there.
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You can probably sub30 Sealion with those relics if you get a shout relic, Onion Knight's Ninja USB would be especially good with those with the 50% crit rate boost but you don't like Onion Knight.

Ultimates mastered, really easy bunch here.

Red Dragon died so fast. I brought my Liquid Flame team, Tidus' chain did 9999 with each and this guy could only take one quadstrike and sapphire shot after that.

Humbaba was pretty simple, all really does is normal attacks, lightning magic and 1000 needles. Main difficulty here is being forced to bring Locke since he wasn't hitting that hard with Thief's Revenge (sure I could hone poison leaves but lolbio) His OSB did do 70000 damage so that's pretty nice, but that's probably thanks to his OSB dagger and Celes' cape having holy boosts. Terra was the main DPS, even without her USB and Trance she was dishing 9999x4 with meltdowns. Even the counter 1000 needles isn't that bad since I have a level 80 Sandworm magicite now.

Ultima Weapon is a magic heavy boss as usual, so Vaan BSB neutered his offense. He's weak to fire so Bartz burnt this guy to a crisp in seconds with Cloud USB RW so I didn't even see him attack much. I did the Jump Start as well where he loses his weakness but he still died pretty fast with just snowspell strikes.

Yay some more Bravery motes! I got Rikku's second 4% thief damage boost with it, still short of her second Legend Materia though.
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I've got Ward's Promise and Sazh's Chocobo Chick so I do have two Shoutish sources. But yeah I will give it a shot soon. I also have Fire Materia out the ass which probably will also help.
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So the new jump start battle keeps eating me with Tyro/Tidus/Red XIII/Yuna/Ramza.

I only have enough damage if I use Cloud's RW but I don't have a wall still which gets really awkward when I see 9999 damage <_<
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Nevermind. I put haste start on Tyro, got my haste off, and even though Yuna died using only protectga Tidus avoided fatal damage and solo'd basically.

Thanks again Tidus.
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Tidus is amazing in jump starts. like i said a few posts ago, he basically soloed the difficulty 300 torment for me.
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I was looking through some relics I got and I got a Doom Mace from a 100 gem pull sometime last week. It seems to me Last Stand is a very good buff given it helps survive a fatal blow, should I consider using Penelo due to having her BSB?
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yeah, i would say she's your best pure healer at this point. Yuna BSB is only really good in a mage party due to the stacking magic buff.

man i was putting off the last rematch dungeon against red soul due to lack of earth, but it turned out to be a lot easier than expected. Squall quake strike + Alphinaud titan killed the ogres in 3 turns (Squall used Sentinel's tome and 2 quake strikes), then switched to BSB+meltdown. Rikku + Ramza each buffed attack/mag and then stacked 3 different mag debuffs. Y'shtola basically used asylum once near the middle and never had to do anything else. her entire role could have been replaced with one enkidu use.
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Yeah, Tidus is pretty amazing in FFRK. I mean it helps that I have both his CSB and USB, but still. He's basically tied with Lightning for my best DPS character. (I think he's probably better in jump start and she's a bit better outside of that.)
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yeah he's not quite as good for me outside of jump starts because i don't have any lasting en-water, just the LMR. though if something is water weak, he can still destroy it quick enough with entrust. Ashe and Squall are probably better for me in a longer fight that's neutral to every element.

finally got to try out my new favorite poverty CM setup. have a dark mage use vessel of fate RW, MM, and spam dark zone. with Garland's lv99 RM and a dark-boost bracer, Kefka was doing almost 40k per turn (and would have capped with DK Cecil lv99 RM). meanwhile physical characters without mote usage can only do about half to 2/3 that with similar setups.

also Ramza USB in jump starts is insane. just killed Chadarnook, which looked annoying in the past, in a matter of seconds with 6 instant SBs and didn't even need a healer or RW. 2 OSB uses each from Seph and Bartz, 2 BSB uses from Braska. i really like the Ramza+Rikku USB combo for buffing, and it's potentially 3 stacking debuffs of whatever type as well.
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Yeah, I love Ramza USB. I still kinda wonder if I should skip the Onion banner so I have more mythril to chase Ramza's LMR. Hyper Mighty G is definitely one of the USBs I really wish I had... she has a great skill set too.
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oh man i finally beat golem... and then hydra! golem actually wasn't too bad once i actually gave it a shot. 5* moted Yuffie was MVP, firing off an average 27k per turn, and then instant heals when needed. Alphinaud did similar damage once he reached burst mode, but had a 4 turn lag. Fujin... contributed some damage, at least. i used the 4* ninja skill to build meter, then BSB, then meltdown. Papalymo and Aphmau filled out my typical mage setup. easy 35s victory. i farmed it a few times until i got shell dragon.

hydra though, that took some experimenting. winning team contained Squall, Ingus, Ramza, Eiko. at first i tried Prishe for the fifth with her BSB and both earth monk abilities, and shell dragon magicite. she was okay, but not especially great damage, and i kept getting wrecked around 25%. then i switched Prishe for Beatrix, just lifesiphoning like crazy for magic blinks. that also let me fit angelsong in for Eiko, and put Enkidu back in with only one real earth character left (Squall just had 4 uses of quake strike). this didn't work at first either, with the DPS too slow and the second wall cast running out. so finally i just delayed the first wall cast to aim for a longer fight (no way i could have swapped Y'shtola in and gone without Eiko's crit buff). that finally worked, and i won at 1'06, pretty much right when the second wall wore off.

onward, to mist and shadow dragons! mist dragon should be pretty easy for me as i have many good dark options. Seph BSB/OSB, Leon USB, Raines BSB, Kuja BSB and en-dark unique. shadow dragon i'm not as sure about, but it definitely shouldn't be as bad as hydra, at least. if nothing else, i can probably do a similar setup to my sealion party, with Hope and Raines BSBs. or for physical, i've got PCecil, Orlandu, Marche BSBs, and Agrias OSB. maybe PCecil, one other knight, and Raines, with Ramza and Eiko again, since Raines doesn't need anyone else's buffs.
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Finally Ultimecia is going to be playable!

https://cdn-image.pf.dena.com/fa9c327e33426cd5e3dff097aa3feee754c90f9a/1/1836236b-c134-3ee4-a4ed-b81b0a2971d5.jpg

Pretty weird that they added her right after a Disiddia event though. Guess FF8 is pretty much done for characters unless they want to pull a Gogo (5) and add characters like Norg.

Also new 6* abilities will be added in the Torment dungeon renewal

6* Spellblade, Blast Strike: 4 single-target Fire/Earth physical attacks
6* Spellblade, Thunderspell Strike: 4 single-target Lightning/Water physical attacks
6* Spellblade, Ultimate Blaze Strike: 5 single-target Fire physical attacks

6* Black Magic, Vortex: 4 single-target Ice/Water/Lightning magic attacks
6* Black Magic, Chain Firaja: 5 single-target Fire magic attacks
6* Black Magic, Chain Thundaja: 5 single-target Lightning magic attacks

I want Thunderspell so bad for Bartz right now. Sucks for Lightning through since she can't use *6 spellblades.
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Woooooah damn those look sweet!
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well i was gonna farm earth crystals today but it looks like i need to switch priorities to black. 210 needed for max-power Ashe. and probably would need even more powers for Celes if i get her USB since she can go through hones so quick.

also this makes me very glad i have gotten every spellblade mote. will probably need to 6*-enable every single spellblade character now (except, like, Tyro and maybe one of Orlandu/Delita).
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Damn. I saw the new abilities, but didn't even think about my Ashe. Not looking forward to r5-ing Chain Thundaja for her.

I max-honed my Chain Thundaga for her, and I'm basically out of Major Black at this point. Considering how much harder it is to hone a 6* skill, that's probably not something I should target.
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I generally just go for R4-- used to make an exception for summons but I think now that they have +1 use I'll stick to R4 for them too.
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yeah i wouldn't R5 anything else, and in all likelihood probably can't with Ashe even, but the nature of her USB forces me to at least consider it. the chaser does more hits scaling with how honed the ability is, so she'd do more damage with it at R5 regardless of how long the fight actually lasts. she'd likely need at least R4 chain thundaja just to outdamage the R5 chain thundaga i have (which i had to convert lower black orbs to make, though i still have like 100 major-equivalents left).
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Oh right, that's a mechanic for some people totally forgot. Honing to 5 makes a lot more sense for those types.
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1/11 Agrias BSB Dupe.... bleh
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4/11

Marach Headband SSB dupe
Paine BSB
Tidus's Armguards LM
Ramza USB dupe

The new stuff I got don't seem so bad at least.
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Tempted to do the Lucky draw but after I pull on the Onion Knight banner (and if I go broke I'll just wait for 25 more mythril)

By the way there's going to be a dungeon update in March and the rewards for the realm dungeon will improve a lot, if you do them now you won't get the updated rewards.

https://www.reddit.com/r/FFRecordKeeper/comments/7omtx5/du40_revamp_rewards_comparison/
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Told myself not to pull, and pulled anyway.

3/11

Rafa SSB (already have a 7* of it)
Wakka SSB
Lion LMR

Some FF 11 synergy, which is decent. Got 46 mythril, will get up to 50 and take one shot at the OK USBs banner, and then save for Orlandu USB.
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i knew i shouldn't have pulled on this. 1/11 Zeid BSB. my fourth physical en-dark BSB. i guess it's at least better than two of those, and FFXI, which i have very few relics in. i'm loaded in X and T.
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Lion USB
Paine BSB
Agrias BSB
Auron BSB2
Curilla BSB

Paine BSB is the real headliner here (it's +Water armor) but I now eagerly await the return of the FF11 Torment.
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LMAO Chadarnook Jump Start Battle

I just beat it without any protective buffs whatsoever beyond Sazh's Chocobo Chick magic blink. Yeah Balthier got one shotted by Thundaga but who cares. Sabin + Locke + Balthier bring so much hurt with 3 soul bars to start. History's Truth RW too good too.

Can't wait till the FFVI banner that makes Edgar actually good shows up so I can punt this Balthier dude.
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Also went 3/11 on the Lucky

Got Shantotto USB, Monteblanc SSB, and some random FF11 Dark Knight SSB. I guess it's FF11 synergy and Shantotto might be usable for Cid's Missions that require FF11 characters now but not a fan of this.
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Oh.

I just did the same thing vs Atma Weapon

I see. This is what a jump start is supposed to play like huh. Well at least Minwu is a good healer with all these dumb instant casts flying around.
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Ugh.

Dupe Lion BSB/11
What a waste of mythril.
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3/11 on Lucky

Braska SSB
Braska BSB
Braska USB

ok that's pretty funny
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https://i.imgur.com/a/mNs6c.png
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Can someone tell me how to Native Cloud USB retaliate to take out Magicites? And if it works on all 6. Like what's the plan, and abilities and such you use to do it.

I don't care about 30ing them anymore. I
Just want to beat one of the damn ones.

Lopen posted...

LMAO Chadarnook Jump Start Battle

I just beat it without any protective buffs whatsoever beyond Sazh's Chocobo Chick magic blink. Yeah Balthier got one shotted by Thundaga but who cares. Sabin + Locke + Balthier bring so much hurt with 3 soul bars to start. History's Truth RW too good too.

Welcome to the speed-kill no healer/wall meta. Current sought after relics offer such crazy DPS that most weekly event bosses will be dead before your healer even builds a bar. Cid Missions are pretty much the only challenge with weekly events (or unless it's a status effect heavy boss or have some gimmick like Shadowlord or Mom Bomb.) Stuff like Marche's USB, Ramza's LM, Shelke battery (and Morrow if we ever get him) hone chaser mages, Tidus' USB+chain and Bartz have shifted the meta towards this. Onion Knight's USBs and LMR drops tonight as well so now we'll be seeing sub10 magicite runs by some folk in global soon.

'course the game is still going to have hard as fuck bosses in the future through, 4* magicite, Ozma, Zeromus, the FF7 Weapons, new torment difficulty ect to make those new relics desirable. Weekly event ultimates are just going to be a stepping stone even with a new difficulty coming up.

ChampionCloud posted...

Can someone tell me how to Native Cloud USB retaliate to take out Magicites? And if it works on all 6. Like what's the plan, and abilities and such you use to do it.

I use Cloud to beat Fenrir with hailstorm, but it's barely a 1 minute sub. Even then it's Rosa who's the most important member on that team due to her USB and wrath, I'm probably going to go mage for a sub 30 team when I get Rinoa and Lulu legend dived and if I get OK's Sage USB. I guess you can also use him against golem but you need his BSB2 or a high honed Tornado Strike (or wait until that 4 hit spellblade comes out) because of his barrier and once you break that Golem go aoe crazy so you need to kill him ASAP and Cloud may not be fast enough without his BSB2 or Marche. Other than that it's just using the 5* spellblade that's the magicite's weakness, or Omega Drive.
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SSJSephirothGokuX123 posted...

Lopen posted...

LMAO Chadarnook Jump Start Battle

I just beat it without any protective buffs whatsoever beyond Sazh's Chocobo Chick magic blink. Yeah Balthier got one shotted by Thundaga but who cares. Sabin + Locke + Balthier bring so much hurt with 3 soul bars to start. History's Truth RW too good too.

Welcome to the speed-kill no healer/wall meta. Current sought after relics offer such crazy DPS that most weekly event bosses will be dead before your healer even builds a bar. Cid Missions are pretty much the only challenge with weekly events (or unless it's a status effect heavy boss or have some gimmick like Shadowlord or Mom Bomb.) Stuff like Marche's USB, Ramza's LM, Shelke battery (and Morrow if we ever get him) hone chaser mages, Tidus' USB+chain and Bartz have shifted the meta towards this. Onion Knight's USBs and LMR drops tonight as well so now we'll be seeing sub10 magicite runs by some folk in global soon.

'course the game is still going to have hard as fuck bosses in the future through, 4* magicite, Ozma, Zeromus, the FF7 Weapons, new torment difficulty ect to make those new relics desirable. Weekly event ultimates are just going to be a stepping stone even with a new difficulty coming up.

ChampionCloud posted...

Can someone tell me how to Native Cloud USB retaliate to take out Magicites? And if it works on all 6. Like what's the plan, and abilities and such you use to do it.

I use Cloud to beat Fenrir with hailstorm, but it's barely a 1 minute sub. Even then it's Rosa who's the most important member on that team due to her USB and wrath, I'm probably going to go mage for a sub 30 team when I get Rinoa and Lulu legend dived and if I get OK's Sage USB. I guess you can also use him against golem but you need his BSB2 or a high honed Tornado Strike (or wait until that 4 hit spellblade comes out) because of his barrier and once you break that Golem go aoe crazy so you need to kill him ASAP and Cloud may not be fast enough without his BSB2 or Marche. Other than that it's just using the 5* spellblade that's the magicite's weakness, or Omega Drive.

Well, there is a retaliate strategy too, but I don't know what tools I need to do it. Obviously Zack's Chain probbaly helps tons cause it's Attack boost and Chant combined. But I don't know what else.

I think that's having party members smacking Cloud equipped with the Lionheart RM to build meter quickly for two bars.

To be honest in general I don't think current Cloud is very good in magicite outside of the earth ones (even then I have Bartz' USB so I probably wouldn't use him for that either) Ultra Cross Slash looses a lot of it's value when the bosses have such ridiculous defense and he barely breaks the 9999 cap. When he gets his USB2 and second legend materia he'll be a lot more viable (through still slow)
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I don't have Cloud USB, nor have I ever attacked my own characters for retaliate, but some stuff I've gathered:

- You need a Hastega and Zack CSB
- Thundering Quadstrike procs 4 hits, and is the only 5* spellblade that can target Cloud.
- Prishe RM3 turns Attack into a 3-hit ability.
- Demonsblood is probably the best way to get Retaliate
- Either Omega Drive or a Spellblade as Cloud's second ability
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for Cloud USB retaliate, apparently some 5* skills can still target party members, like spellblade and darkness. flare strike in particular would work best with it as it's 5 hits. there's also Prishe's lv99 RM, which is 3 hits and anyone can use. or since you're likely using Zack, quick hit maybe? since that's 2 hits and instant.

the setup is as you said, just Cloud USB and Zack chain. haste is also important. i'm not sure about what the best possible way to set all that up is. probably involves Reks BSB as best case scenario, as he has a stacking atk buff+hastega and can use flare strike. probably reks with Dr mogs+flare strike, Zack with mako might+quick hit, dived Shelke with Prishe lv99RM+wrath/entrust, Cloud with truthseeker+retaliate/OD, healer if needed/another spellblade if not.
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Ultimaphazon posted...

I don't have Cloud USB, nor have I ever attacked my own characters for retaliate, but some stuff I've gathered:

- You need a Hastega and Zack CSB
- Thundering Quadstrike procs 4 hits, and is the only 5* spellblade that can target Cloud.
- Prishe RM3 turns Attack into a 3-hit ability.
- Demonsblood is probably the best way to get Retaliate
- Either Omega Drive or a Spellblade as Cloud's second ability

Even over Hail to get the attack boost?

And thx also.

oh, thundering quadstrike is the only one that works? that's... weird.
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the only way you'd want a spellblade as Cloud's second ability if the boss is weak to an element he can do. i'm not sure if that's better than hailstorm, though, now that you mention it. hailstorm is +14% damage per hit from all the retaliates so it's probably best against anything that doesn't resist ice, and might be best against stuff that resists/immunes ice, as long as it doesn't absorb.
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Didn't think of Hailstorm. That might indeed be the best pick.
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Apparently there's a pretty great water banner coming on Sunday... something to think about before spending all your mythril tonight.

https://www.reddit.com/r/FFRecordKeeper/comments/7pc2bl/water_boost_relic_draw_on_114_bottom_of_ff3_relic/

I dunno if I draw here... I'm pretty set for water, but it seems like a great banner with some characters I like, and I only have two dupes (Tidus USB and OSB).
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My water team is just fine with Tidus USB+OSB and Bartz USB as the main pillars. I know the 4* magicites will be a different beast, but this gets me a very easy Liquid Flame sub-30.

Hopefully there will be an Ice banner at some point. That would be a banner I'd draw on.
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Well my main sources of water are:

Tidus CSB and OSB
Yuffie BSB
FFV Gogo BSB
Paine BSB

So I think Im ok in that regard.
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I'd like the Yuffie stuff and the Gogo rod for a Rydia water boost but think that one is a pass. Too many dupes.
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Why is the OK banner so hyped? I have close to 200 mythril what am i looking for here?
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OK USB is one of the big desirable skills coming up.

The FFT event soon(ish) is also hyped.
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