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ModLogic
01/18/18 4:07:26 AM
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TheJBD
01/18/18 4:08:07 AM
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As opposed to "cull-uh-null"?
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DrizztLink
01/18/18 4:10:40 AM
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We'll change it just as soon as someone points out why Brits think there's an "f" sound in "lieutenant."
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ModLogic
01/18/18 4:10:55 AM
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TheJBD
01/18/18 4:15:15 AM
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ModLogic posted...
well do y'all pronounce colony as kerney?


...yeah. You don't? What backwards-ass country are you from if you're pronouncing it phonetically?
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pegusus123456
01/18/18 4:28:41 AM
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A long time ago, colonel had two different spellings and pronunciations. The word was originally Italian and French "borrowed" it, changing it from colonello to coronnel. Both versions made it into English with writers eventually deciding to go with the original Italian spelling. The pronunciations competed for a while longer and eventually settled on the French pronunciation.
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SDBZ
01/18/18 4:32:15 AM
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DrizztLink posted...
We'll change it just as soon as someone points out why Brits think there's an "f" sound in "lieutenant."


What? I've never heard of this. I'm British and I pronounce it normally
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DrizztLink
01/18/18 4:34:43 AM
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SDBZ posted...
DrizztLink posted...
We'll change it just as soon as someone points out why Brits think there's an "f" sound in "lieutenant."


What? I've never heard of this. I'm British and I pronounce it normally

I hear it occasionally.

Like "lef-tenant."

I wanna say I've heard it from Martin Freeman.
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Chev427BB
01/18/18 4:35:40 AM
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SDBZ
01/18/18 4:37:30 AM
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DrizztLink posted...
SDBZ posted...
DrizztLink posted...
We'll change it just as soon as someone points out why Brits think there's an "f" sound in "lieutenant."


What? I've never heard of this. I'm British and I pronounce it normally

I hear it occasionally.

Like "lef-tenant."

I wanna say I've heard it from Martin Freeman.


Lol wtf
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008Zulu
01/18/18 4:55:38 AM
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It doesn't bother me as much as the English pronouncing Lieutenant as if it had an 'F' in it.
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ArchiePeck
01/18/18 4:56:31 AM
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A-loo-minum
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Turtlebread
01/18/18 4:57:45 AM
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SDBZ
01/18/18 5:05:13 AM
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008Zulu posted...
It doesn't bother me as much as the English pronouncing Lieutenant as if it had an 'F' in it.


Again I'm British and this is unheard of for me. It's probably only some people that pronounce it like that.
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spikethedevil
01/18/18 5:15:11 AM
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No most of us do but i'll stop when Americans get over their phobia of the letter U and stop missing the H off of herb.
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SDBZ
01/18/18 5:38:51 AM
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spikethedevil posted...
No most of us do but i'll stop when Americans get over their phobia of the letter U and stop missing the H off of herb.


Well I have to admit pronouncing lieutenant with an F is dumb. Glad I don't do that.
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Funkydog
01/18/18 6:16:42 AM
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Lieutenant comes from old French, hence the f sound.

America presumably changed it to distant themselves from Britain I guess
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DuneMan
01/18/18 6:20:55 AM
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spikethedevil posted...
No most of us do but i'll stop when Americans get over their phobia of the letter U and stop missing the H off of herb.

The 'H' thing isn't going to happen. Brits may pronounce the letter 'HAY-ch', but Americans do not.

I do admit it sounds strange though when some Americans leave the sound off completely. The word 'history' is a good example. A portion of the population pronounces it 'istory', as in 'an istory of the world'.
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CarlGrimes
01/18/18 6:47:27 AM
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It's pronounced Cornell, and it is the highest rank in the Ivy League.
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weapon_d00d816
01/18/18 6:48:18 AM
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spikethedevil posted...
No most of us do but i'll stop when Americans get over their phobia of the letter U and stop missing the H off of herb.

Those U's were added to the spellings of those words to make them look more French and thus fancier.

That's literally the historical reason.
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josifrees
01/18/18 6:58:36 AM
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pegusus123456 posted...
A long time ago, colonel had two different spellings and pronunciations. The word was originally Italian and French "borrowed" it, changing it from colonello to coronnel. Both versions made it into English with writers eventually deciding to go with the original Italian spelling. The pronunciations competed for a while longer and eventually settled on the French pronunciation.

Thanks for this
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Yomi
01/18/18 7:09:04 AM
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SDBZ posted...
008Zulu posted...
It doesn't bother me as much as the English pronouncing Lieutenant as if it had an 'F' in it.


Again I'm British and this is unheard of for me. It's probably only some people that pronounce it like that.

Wiktionary has two pronunciations of "lieutenant" for UK English.
/lftnnt/
/ltnnt/

This is the US English pronunciation
/l(j)utnnt/

You can listen to them here: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/lieutenant#Etymology

The first UK pronunciation definitely has that /f/ (voiceless labiodental fricative) sound.
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MrBobGray
01/18/18 7:55:52 AM
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TheJBD posted...
As opposed to "cull-uh-null"?


Well, it IS spelled that way.
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MrBobGray
01/18/18 7:57:16 AM
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pegusus123456 posted...
A long time ago, colonel had two different spellings and pronunciations. The word was originally Italian and French "borrowed" it, changing it from colonello to coronnel. Both versions made it into English with writers eventually deciding to go with the original Italian spelling. The pronunciations competed for a while longer and eventually settled on the French pronunciation.


If anything proves how ass backwards our language is, its this.
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SDBZ
01/18/18 8:23:04 AM
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Yomi posted...
SDBZ posted...
008Zulu posted...
It doesn't bother me as much as the English pronouncing Lieutenant as if it had an 'F' in it.


Again I'm British and this is unheard of for me. It's probably only some people that pronounce it like that.

Wiktionary has two pronunciations of "lieutenant" for UK English.
/lftnnt/
/ltnnt/

This is the US English pronunciation
/l(j)utnnt/

You can listen to them here: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/lieutenant#Etymology

The first UK pronunciation definitely has that /f/ (voiceless labiodental fricative) sound.


Looks like I've been saying it the US way all this time. Oh well. I don't like the "f" way.
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Chev427BB
01/18/18 8:29:50 AM
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DuneMan posted...
The word 'history' is a good example. A portion of the population pronounces it 'istory', as in 'an istory of the world'.

I've never heard it pronounced like that, but then again I'm in Canada and we actually use English correctly (for the most part)
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Youngster_Joey_
01/18/18 8:31:49 AM
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I'm pretty sure if I didn't play MGS when I was 9 years old, I never would have learned to spell Colonel the correct way.
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l Dudeboy l
01/18/18 8:36:43 AM
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Pronouncing Craig as "Creg" is one of the weirdest ones imo.
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l Dudeboy l
01/18/18 8:38:37 AM
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Yomi posted...
SDBZ posted...
008Zulu posted...
It doesn't bother me as much as the English pronouncing Lieutenant as if it had an 'F' in it.


Again I'm British and this is unheard of for me. It's probably only some people that pronounce it like that.

Wiktionary has two pronunciations of "lieutenant" for UK English.
/lftnnt/
/ltnnt/

This is the US English pronunciation
/l(j)utnnt/

You can listen to them here: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/lieutenant#Etymology

The first UK pronunciation definitely has that /f/ (voiceless labiodental fricative) sound.


P sure "leftenant" is a pronunciation that is dying out because it's only used by old people and army addicts these days.
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Cobra1010
01/18/18 8:40:44 AM
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Im more annoyed at ah luu minum. Its like a total different word.
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EverDownward
01/18/18 8:44:41 AM
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Hey, my Ant's comin' over!
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spikethedevil
01/18/18 9:11:26 AM
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Americans pronouncing Graham as gram is another odd one. What do you guys have against the letter H?
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DevsBro
01/18/18 9:15:19 AM
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Americans pronouncing Graham as gram is another odd one. What do you guys have against the letter H?

This post is priceless.
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FLUFFYGERM
01/18/18 9:21:16 AM
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DevsBro
01/18/18 9:23:58 AM
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I literally thought the speaker had a speech impediment the first time I heard "AL-oo-min-ee-um."
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ChaoticKnuckles
01/18/18 9:46:22 AM
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SDBZ posted...
DrizztLink posted...
SDBZ posted...
DrizztLink posted...
We'll change it just as soon as someone points out why Brits think there's an "f" sound in "lieutenant."


What? I've never heard of this. I'm British and I pronounce it normally

I hear it occasionally.

Like "lef-tenant."

I wanna say I've heard it from Martin Freeman.


Lol wtf


Ive heard that as well. Although not in modern times, its something I hear if Im watching a period show on TV.
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ROBANN_88
01/18/18 9:49:05 AM
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While we're on the subject of pronounciation, why do Brits say "saw" with an R?
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Fishy
01/18/18 9:51:31 AM
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ChaoticKnuckles posted...
Ive heard that as well. Although not in modern times, its something I hear if Im watching a period show on TV.

I've definitely had Royal Marine Commandos pronounce it like that to me.
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Questionmarktarius
01/18/18 9:53:38 AM
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Blame the French, probably.
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Funkydog
01/18/18 9:58:35 AM
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spikethedevil posted...
Americans pronouncing Graham as gram is another odd one. What do you guys have against the letter H?

Craig as Creg is pretty bad as well.
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Questionmarktarius
01/18/18 10:00:13 AM
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SDBZ
01/18/18 10:07:09 AM
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ChaoticKnuckles posted...
SDBZ posted...
DrizztLink posted...
SDBZ posted...
DrizztLink posted...
We'll change it just as soon as someone points out why Brits think there's an "f" sound in "lieutenant."


What? I've never heard of this. I'm British and I pronounce it normally

I hear it occasionally.

Like "lef-tenant."

I wanna say I've heard it from Martin Freeman.


Lol wtf


Ive heard that as well. Although not in modern times, its something I hear if Im watching a period show on TV.


Probably why I haven't really heard it then
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Questionmarktarius
01/18/18 10:24:27 AM
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Asherlee10 posted...
Ex-Kefiroth posted...
would that mean the inverse is true and Falfurrias is pronounced Fal-fuge-ias?


Probably not. I have asked a lot of people from Refugio why it's pronounced that way and I always here, "it's just the way it is."

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WindMouseHanpan
01/18/18 10:27:50 AM
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ROBANN_88 posted...
While we're on the subject of pronounciation, why do Brits say "saw" with an R?


They seem to usually pronounce the letter "A" as "er" or "eer", or just an r sound, depending on the word, rather than "ay" like America does. So for instance "Idea" would sound like "Ideer". Which I think is where the "I have no eye deer" joke comes from.

I think this usually happens if the letter comes at the end of a sentence, or near the end, though. In a word like "Bake" or "Rake" they pronounce it the same way as in American English.

If anyone here's British, could you explain and clarify if I'm wrong on anything?
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Funkydog
01/18/18 10:36:51 AM
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WindMouseHanpan posted...
ROBANN_88 posted...
While we're on the subject of pronounciation, why do Brits say "saw" with an R?


They seem to usually pronounce the letter "A" as "er" or "eer", or just an r sound, depending on the word, rather than "ay" like America does. So for instance "Idea" would sound like "Ideer". Which I think is where the "I have no eye deer" joke comes from.

I think this usually happens if the letter comes at the end of a sentence, or near the end, though. In a word like "Bake" or "Rake" they pronounce it the same way as in American English.

If anyone here's British, could you explain and clarify if I'm wrong on anything?

I mean, it depends where in Britain you're from. Some accents can be like that, and others very much aren't at all.

But having looked up how Americans supposedly pronounce "Idea" it sounds exactly the same to me >.>
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