Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 160: Government Letdown

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I got my survey through. I just answered yes/no to everything except that one though.

In the end I asked him to please be mindful of the anxieties minorities, women, and LGBTQ citizens face today, and to please be kind.
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Also to help legalize prostitution.
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So all signs point to "The Memo" containing information that the FISA surveillance on Carter Page was extended.

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I'm really failing to see the problem here.

There was enough evidence that Page required surveillance to begin with.

The surveillance was going to lapse and needed to be renewed again.

So they applied to have it renewed.

The only "controversy" seems to be that some (not all, but some) of the evidence in favor of renewal was from the Steele dossier.

The idea being that "omg we were spying on americans, that's bad!" when the crux of the issue is actually "omg this american was doing things that justified surveillance".

Am I missing something here?
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no, the memo is a huge joke
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The surveys are push polling. The point is to present the propaganda inherent in the questions as fact to get people to believe it.

I guess they could also be presenting the results somewhere, but I kinda doubt it (haven't heard of it in any case, though I've heard about different iterations of these "surveys" several times).
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LordoftheMorons posted...

I guess they could also be presenting the results somewhere, but I kinda doubt it (haven't heard of it in any case, though I've heard about different iterations of these "surveys" several times).

Considering that the submission of the poll takes you to a click how much you want to donate to Trump page...
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I chose $69
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nice
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1/29/2018
NBC - Trump's gripes against McCabe included wife's politics, Comey's ride home

Trump demanded to know why Comey was allowed to fly on an FBI plane after he had been fired, these people said. McCabe told the president he hadn?t been asked to authorize Comey?s flight, but if anyone had asked, he would have approved it, three people familiar with the call recounted to NBC News.

The president was silent for a moment and then turned on McCabe, suggesting he ask his wife how it feels to be a loser ? an apparent reference to a failed campaign for state office in Virginia that McCabe?s wife made in 2015.

McCabe replied, ?OK, sir.? Trump then hung up the phone.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/amp/trump-s-gripes-against-mccabe-included-wife-s-politics-comey-n842161
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Anybody have a good link on this memo from a reliable source? There's a huge divide between people from what I'm seeing today (as always, but it feels like more than usual).
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From what I can tell, this memo hasn't been released yet. The House Intelligence Committee needs to vote to release it. There's only been rumors and leaks on what's in it. For instance, the attacks on Rosenstein regarding Page is apparently in that memo, but the direct text hasn't been shown to the public.
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As long as we're talking about The Memo, here's some important perspective on classification and intelligence work from a dude who used to work in military intelligence:

http://www.stonekettle.com/2018/01/dirty-tricks.html
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That was an excellent read. Thanks.
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House Intelligence Committee just voted to release THE MEMO.

...Now Trump has to sign it off in the next 5 days to release it to the public.
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Did the Russian sanctions happen yet?

If not, good luck at seeing the memo.
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charmander6000 posted...

Did the Russian sanctions happen yet?

If not, good luck at seeing the memo.

https://twitter.com/eschor/status/958110759489294336

The Trump admin has notified Congress that last years bipartisan Russia sanctions bill is serving as a deterrent and as such, specific sanctions arent needed at this time.

Well then
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Im shocked

who else is shocked
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The Mana Sword posted...

Im shocked

who else is shocked

a tiny bit actually

i shouldn't be but straight up refusing to enforce a law passed by Congress (and signed!) felt like a little much

i thought they'd just try to find the weakest possible way to enforce it
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Peace___Frog posted...

So i can't wait to hear the excuse as to why it's ok that trump isn't implementing any.

I hope this excuse is to your satisfaction.
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I like the concept that the idea of the sanctions passing is enough to keep Russia in line without actually doing them

And then publicly admitting that
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This feels a lot like the criticism of the line in the sand.
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/julian-assange-thought-he-was-messaging-sean-hannity-when-he-offered-news-on-democrat-investigating-trump-russia

Assange offers scoops to fake Hannity

The DM screenshots are hilarious
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Oh God, that is hilarious.
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I love that

To all the lib haters, know that I am back and here to stay. You cant silence the truth and you have no idea whats coming,

convinced people she was the real Hannity
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She made that up as somebody who didn't watch Hannity, too. Nice.

And maybe it's just me, but Assange sounded like Vlado.
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What's that saying about satire being indistinguishable from the real thing? I saw that Chrissy Teigen tweet retweeted and at a cursory glance it seemed like something Hannity would say and didn't give it another thought.
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HaRRicH posted...

She made that up as somebody who didn't watch Hannity, too. Nice.

And maybe it's just me, but Assange sounded like Vlado.

Maybe Assange thinks he's a JRPG protagonist too
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SgtSphynx posted...

What's that saying about satire being indistinguishable from the real thing? I saw that Chrissy Teigen tweet retweeted and at a cursory glance it seemed like something Hannity would say and didn't give it another thought.

Poe's Law. An extreme viewpoint said in earnest is indistinguishable from satire.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

HaRRicH posted...

She made that up as somebody who didn't watch Hannity, too. Nice.

And maybe it's just me, but Assange sounded like Vlado.

Maybe Assange thinks he's a JRPG protagonist too

I was skimming an article written about Russian trolls or maybe sincere believers and the description of them described Vlado to a T, even mentioning that they're "anti-Globalism". I'd go look for it but I'm lazy.
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there's a terrifying amount of people who believe the shit vlado believes. i'd love to believe he's just a lunatic posting on a dead video game message board, but he's part of something way bigger.
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So today should be the day we see the GOP in outrage over Trumps non-sanctions, right?

Both houses passed these sanctions nearly unanimously. Please dont be puppets.
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Jakyl25 posted...

So today should be the day we see the GOP in outrage over Trumps non-sanctions, right?

LOL!
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

there's a terrifying amount of people who believe the shit vlado believes. i'd love to believe he's just a lunatic posting on a dead video game message board, but he's part of something way bigger.

I've considered the possibility that Vlado might be paid to spout propaganda.
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I mean for his sake I guess I hope he is getting paid to do it.

If he's just giving it away I kinda feel bad for him.
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I think its telling that when anti-white supremacy counterprotests happen, people like Vlado claim theyre all bought and paid for by Soros

Its the same sort of projection thing Trump does where he accuses other people of crimes hes committing
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I'm still waiting on my Soros checks
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Also I think its funny that some Trump supporters are like ExTha who dont think any of this really matters because it doesnt affect his life, so he goes for the most lulz, and then the other side of the coin are people like Vlado who think Trump represents the most important political struggle in the history of the world
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New Ben Garrison masterpiece

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUt-5p1VMAAORGv.jpg

I like how Obamacare counts as a scandal
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Jakyl25 posted...

New Ben Garrison masterpiece

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUt-5p1VMAAORGv.jpg

I like how Obamacare counts as a scandal

I like how $89 million on 29 vacations is on there when Trump has spent that much ALREADY lmao
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Jakyl25 posted...

New Ben Garrison masterpiece

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUt-5p1VMAAORGv.jpg

I like how Obamacare counts as a scandal

I like how fake birth certificate is on there.
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1/30/2018
GUARDIAN - Second Trump-Russia dossier being assessed by FBI

The Guardian was told Steele warned the FBI he could not vouch for the veracity of the Shearer memo, but that he was providing a copy because it corresponded with what he had separately heard from his own independent sources.

Among other things, both documents allege Donald Trump was compromised during a 2013 trip to Moscow that involved lewd acts in a five-star hotel.

The Shearer memo cites an unnamed source within Russia?s FSB, the state security service. The Guardian cannot verify any of the claims.

Shearer is a controversial figure in Washington. Conservative outlets have accused him of being part of a ?hatchet man? and member of a ?secret spy ring? and within Clinton?s orbit. There is no evidence that the Clinton campaign was aware of the Shearer memo.

But other people who know Shearer say he is not just a Democratic party hack and there is no evidence that his memo was ever sought by Clinton campaign officials.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/30/trump-russia-collusion-fbi-cody-shearer-memo

We can question how serious a investigator Shearer is, but this is still a second source that independently alleged Donald did some dirty Moscow hotel hanky-panky.
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MrGreenonion posted...

I mean for his sake I guess I hope he is getting paid to do it.

If he's just giving it away I kinda feel bad for him.

right
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

New Ben Garrison masterpiece

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUt-5p1VMAAORGv.jpg

I like how Obamacare counts as a scandal

I like how $89 million on 29 vacations is on there when Trump has spent that much ALREADY lmao

I wonder if placement on the snake is indicitive of how strongly Ben feels

Yeah, he secretly helped ISIS to spread global terrorism, and his entire Presidency was illegitimate because he was born in Kenya, but man, thats nothing compared to VACATIONS.
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Ben Garrison is living in his own reality. A lot of conservatives are anymore. Maybe they can all just go there and stay? I'm sure that world would be more accommodating to them.
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not sure what my favorite "scandal" is in that garrison cartoon - "fake birth ceritificate," "open borders" or "ISIS support."
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my favorite is the non-specific TREASON
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Has Obama actually even said anything bragging about being scandal-free?
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Jakyl25 posted...

Has Obama actually even said anything bragging about being scandal-free?

A couple of times, in a couple of interviews at the end of his presidency.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/01/19/has-the-obama-white-house-been-historically-free-of-scandal/?utm_term=.cce2cd0a639f

We will be hearing about it until 2040 because for some reason these lines made certain Trump fans extremely cranky and they have not stopped whining about it for a year now. (r/the_donald has like at least one front page post crying about this once a week)
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i'm not sure why garrison even made a cartoon about obama in the first place. aren't political cartoons supposed to be topical and related to the news?
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Probably has a few evergreen ideas in the tank for weeks where nothing new inspires him
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