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CiIantro 01/29/18 8:52:50 PM #1:	BUT IT MEANS MORE COAAAAAAAL AND TOXIC WASTE woooooooooooo This president is a fucking cretin. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mnd0Eomxbyk <cite>CiIantro posted [p:895070164] in Trump's ne... [t:76259092]...</cite> <quote>BUT IT MEANS MORE COAAAAAAAL AND TOXIC WASTE woooooooooooo This president is a fucking cretin. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mnd0Eomxbyk</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
On_The_Edge 01/29/18 8:53:07 PM #2:	Was Obama also a cretin for having those same tarifs? --- We're here. https://discord.gg/Q9K3ndP <cite>On_The_Edge posted [p:895070185] in Trump's ne... [t:76259092]...</cite> <quote>Was Obama also a cretin for having those same tarifs?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CiIantro 01/29/18 8:54:07 PM #3:	Trump says it will help American manufacturers of solar panels, but foreign imports will STILL be cheaper with the tariffs. All this does is drive up the cost of solar energy, decrease its economic viability, and keep America dependent on non-renewable energy--and that is exactly what Trump wants. <cite>CiIantro posted [p:895070246] in Trump's ne... [t:76259092]...</cite> <quote>Trump says it will help American manufacturers of solar panels, but foreign imports will STILL be cheaper with the tariffs. All this does is drive up the cost of solar energy, decrease its economic viability, and keep America dependent on non-renewable energy--and that is exactly what Trump wants.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CiIantro 01/29/18 8:54:34 PM #4:	On_The_Edge posted... Was Obama also a cretin for having those same tarifs? [citation needed] And if you are telling the truth, yes. Solar panel tariffs are asinine. I don't care who the president is. <cite>CiIantro posted [p:895070273] in Trump's ne... [t:76259092]...</cite> <quote><cite>On_The_Edge posted...</cite> <quote>Was Obama also a cretin for having those same tarifs?</quote> [citation needed] And if you are telling the truth, yes. Solar panel tariffs are asinine. I don't care who the president is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 01/29/18 8:54:45 PM #5:	Why not open solar panel plants in America? Oh wait EPA regulations. --- No sig. <cite>creativerealms posted [p:895070285] in Trump's ne... [t:76259092]...</cite> <quote>Why not open solar panel plants in America? Oh wait EPA regulations.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Stallion_Prime 01/29/18 8:54:54 PM #6:	On_The_Edge posted... Was Obama also a cretin for having those same tarifs? Fuck does obama have to do with this --- -Hunter1534 http://abload.de/img/powercdkcb.gif <cite>Stallion_Prime posted [p:895070293] in Trump's ne... [t:76259092]...</cite> <quote><cite>On_The_Edge posted...</cite> <quote>Was Obama also a cretin for having those same tarifs?</quote> Fuck does obama have to do with this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kazi1212 01/29/18 8:55:04 PM #7:	Good, I was never a fan of the sun --- I don't know my gimmick <cite>Kazi1212 posted [p:895070303] in Trump's ne... [t:76259092]...</cite> <quote>Good, I was never a fan of the sun</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CiIantro 01/29/18 8:56:32 PM #8:	creativerealms posted... Why not open solar panel plants in America? Oh wait EPA regulations. Because people don't want to pay 100x more for a solar panel. Low-cost labor in production is good because it means greater adoption of solar and more jobs in the installation and maintenance industry here at home. <cite>CiIantro posted [p:895070392] in Trump's ne... [t:76259092]...</cite> <quote><cite>creativerealms posted...</cite> <quote>Why not open solar panel plants in America? Oh wait EPA regulations.</quote> Because people don't want to pay 100x more for a solar panel. Low-cost labor in production is good because it means greater adoption of solar and more jobs in the installation and maintenance industry here at home.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 01/29/18 8:57:37 PM #9:	CiIantro posted... creativerealms posted... Why not open solar panel plants in America? Oh wait EPA regulations. Because people don't want to pay 100x more for a solar panel. Low-cost labor in production is good because it means greater adoption of solar and more jobs in the installation and maintenance industry here at home. I was making a joke. --- No sig. <cite>creativerealms posted [p:895070468] in Trump's ne... [t:76259092]...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>creativerealms posted...</cite> <quote>Why not open solar panel plants in America? Oh wait EPA regulations.</quote> Because people don't want to pay 100x more for a solar panel. Low-cost labor in production is good because it means greater adoption of solar and more jobs in the installation and maintenance industry here at home.</quote> I was making a joke.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CiIantro 01/29/18 8:58:18 PM #10:	Like, I want to believe this is some conspiracy to kill solar, but the reality is that Trump is probably just a total fucking idiot and thinks this will magically create jobs. The dude is writing policy out his ass. <cite>CiIantro posted [p:895070506] in Trump's ne... [t:76259092]...</cite> <quote>Like, I want to believe this is some conspiracy to kill solar, but the reality is that Trump is probably just a total fucking idiot and thinks this will magically create jobs. The dude is writing policy out his ass.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 01/29/18 8:58:46 PM #11:	creativerealms posted... Why not open solar panel plants in America? Oh wait EPA regulations. This. EPA regulations make solar panel manufacturing insanely expensive. Making them is insanely damaging to the environment, which is why they're only made in countries with next to no environmental policies whatsoever. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:895070543] in Trump's ne... [t:76259092]...</cite> <quote><cite>creativerealms posted...</cite> <quote>Why not open solar panel plants in America? Oh wait EPA regulations.</quote> This. EPA regulations make solar panel manufacturing insanely expensive. Making them is insanely damaging to the environment, which is why they're only made in countries with next to no environmental policies whatsoever.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CiIantro 01/29/18 9:00:45 PM #12:	creativerealms posted... CiIantro posted... creativerealms posted... Why not open solar panel plants in America? Oh wait EPA regulations. Because people don't want to pay 100x more for a solar panel. Low-cost labor in production is good because it means greater adoption of solar and more jobs in the installation and maintenance industry here at home. I was making a joke. It is impossible to tell anymore. People will religiously defend trump for anything. Doesn't matter if he is costing american jobs with pointless tariffs, threatening nuclear holocaust via twitter, allowing mines to dump waste in rivers, questioning why we let black people into the country, or cheating on his wife with a porn star. He can do no wrong. EDIT: looks like someone already proved my point. <cite>CiIantro posted [p:895070677] in Trump's ne... [t:76259092]...</cite> <quote><cite>creativerealms posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>creativerealms posted...</cite> <quote>Why not open solar panel plants in America? Oh wait EPA regulations.</quote> Because people don't want to pay 100x more for a solar panel. Low-cost labor in production is good because it means greater adoption of solar and more jobs in the installation and maintenance industry here at home.</quote> I was making a joke.</quote> It is impossible to tell anymore. People will religiously defend trump for anything. Doesn't matter if he is costing american jobs with pointless tariffs, threatening nuclear holocaust via twitter, allowing mines to dump waste in rivers, questioning why we let black people into the country, or cheating on his wife with a porn star. He can do no wrong. EDIT: looks like someone already proved my point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paragon21XX 01/29/18 9:01:57 PM #13:	Yes, let's support China over American manufacturers that cannot readily compete against the Chinese dumping their solar panels subsidized by the Chinese government here. And why are you shitting on only Trump when the EU has responded the exact same way to the exact same problem? --- Hmm... <cite>Paragon21XX posted [p:895070755] in Trump's ne... [t:76259092]...</cite> <quote>Yes, let's support China over American manufacturers that cannot readily compete against the Chinese dumping their solar panels subsidized by the Chinese government here. And why are you shitting on only Trump when the EU has responded the exact same way to the exact same problem?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 01/29/18 9:10:39 PM #14:	CiIantro posted... BUT IT MEANS MORE COAAAAAAAL AND TOXIC WASTE woooooooooooo Coal generates 30% of our electricity Solar generates less than 1% of our electricity, even with several billion dollars of government subsidies. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:895071322] in Trump's ne... [t:76259092]...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote>BUT IT MEANS MORE COAAAAAAAL AND TOXIC WASTE woooooooooooo</quote> Coal generates 30% of our electricity Solar generates less than 1% of our electricity, even with several billion dollars of government subsidies.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheVipaGTS 01/29/18 9:11:49 PM #15:	lol i remember when this was first announced and the usual suspects on CE were saying "uhhh, dumb libs its on IMPORTS. that's better for America duh!"....Yea, so much better. --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 <cite>TheVipaGTS posted [p:895071425] in Trump's ne... [t:76259092]...</cite> <quote>lol i remember when this was first announced and the usual suspects on CE were saying "uhhh, dumb libs its on IMPORTS. that's better for America duh!"....Yea, so much better.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nostradumbass 01/29/18 9:15:00 PM #16:	CiIantro posted... On_The_Edge posted... Was Obama also a cretin for having those same tarifs? [citation needed] And if you are telling the truth, yes. Solar panel tariffs are asinine. I don't care who the president is. <cite>Nostradumbass posted [p:895071658] in Trump's ne... [t:76259092]...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>On_The_Edge posted...</cite> <quote>Was Obama also a cretin for having those same tarifs?</quote> [citation needed] And if you are telling the truth, yes. Solar panel tariffs are asinine. I don't care who the president is.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
008Zulu 01/29/18 9:15:35 PM #17:	Kazi1212 posted... Good, I was never a fan of the sun I have been proposing we nuke the sun for years now, and the only reactions I have been getting are is an increase in my meds. --- Talent hits a target no one else can hit. Genius hits a target no one else can see. - Arthur Schopenhauer. <cite>008Zulu posted [p:895071707] in Trump's ne... [t:76259092]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kazi1212 posted...</cite> <quote>Good, I was never a fan of the sun</quote> I have been proposing we nuke the sun for years now, and the only reactions I have been getting are is an increase in my meds.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 01/29/18 9:16:13 PM #18:	Solar Panel Manufacturers say this will allow them to compete and net more manufacturing jobs. Solar Panel installers say it will increase price and less people will buy solar panels making less jobs for installers. Why you are only presenting one side of the argument as fact is interesting. That said, the people who are buying solar panels usually are not pinching pennies nor doing it for the cheapness of it. Thus, I suspect the tariffs will have a negligible effect on installer jobs. It is not like this was not researched before Trump was advised to institute the tariff after finding out there was unfair practices in China propping up the market. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:895071743] in Trump's ne... [t:76259092]...</cite> <quote>Solar Panel Manufacturers say this will allow them to compete and net more manufacturing jobs. Solar Panel installers say it will increase price and less people will buy solar panels making less jobs for installers. Why you are only presenting one side of the argument as fact is interesting. That said, the people who are buying solar panels usually are not pinching pennies nor doing it for the cheapness of it. Thus, I suspect the tariffs will have a negligible effect on installer jobs. It is not like this was not researched before Trump was advised to institute the tariff after finding out there was unfair practices in China propping up the market.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nostradumbass 01/29/18 9:16:26 PM #19:	https://i.ytimg.com/vi/eHgNXBP_Jwc/maxresdefault.jpg <cite>Nostradumbass posted [p:895071765] in Trump's ne... [t:76259092]...</cite> <quote>https://i.ytimg.com/vi/eHgNXBP_Jwc/maxresdefault.jpg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 01/29/18 9:17:23 PM #20:	Tariffs are bad <cite>Romes187 posted [p:895071821] in Trump's ne... [t:76259092]...</cite> <quote>Tariffs are bad</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 01/29/18 9:18:32 PM #21:	Sephiroth1288 posted... CiIantro posted... BUT IT MEANS MORE COAAAAAAAL AND TOXIC WASTE woooooooooooo Coal generates 30% of our electricity Solar generates less than 1% of our electricity, even with several billion dollars of government subsidies. And it's the subsidies that kill it. Why are we STILL subsidizing the solar industry, despite the cost per kilowatt-hour dropping significantly? Why were we subsidizing it in the first place, if it was so great? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:895071908] in Trump's ne... [t:76259092]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote>BUT IT MEANS MORE COAAAAAAAL AND TOXIC WASTE woooooooooooo</quote> Coal generates 30% of our electricity Solar generates less than 1% of our electricity, even with several billion dollars of government subsidies.</quote> And it's the subsidies that kill it. Why are we STILL subsidizing the solar industry, despite the cost per kilowatt-hour dropping significantly? Why were we subsidizing it in the first place, if it was so great?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CiIantro 01/29/18 9:27:13 PM #22:	Corrik posted... Solar Panel Manufacturers say this will allow them to compete and net more manufacturing jobs. Solar Panel installers say it will increase price and less people will buy solar panels making less jobs for installers. Why you are only presenting one side of the argument as fact is interesting. That said, the people who are buying solar panels usually are not pinching pennies nor doing it for the cheapness of it. Thus, I suspect the tariffs will have a negligible effect on installer jobs. It is not like this was not researched before Trump was advised to institute the tariff after finding out there was unfair practices in China propping up the market. There is a 23,000 net job loss AFTER factoring in any bump that manufacturing gets. http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-fact-check-solar-jobs-20180129-story.html <cite>CiIantro posted [p:895072417] in Trump's ne... [t:76259092]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote>Solar Panel Manufacturers say this will allow them to compete and net more manufacturing jobs. Solar Panel installers say it will increase price and less people will buy solar panels making less jobs for installers. Why you are only presenting one side of the argument as fact is interesting. That said, the people who are buying solar panels usually are not pinching pennies nor doing it for the cheapness of it. Thus, I suspect the tariffs will have a negligible effect on installer jobs. It is not like this was not researched before Trump was advised to institute the tariff after finding out there was unfair practices in China propping up the market.</quote> There is a 23,000 net job loss AFTER factoring in any bump that manufacturing gets. http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-fact-check-solar-jobs-20180129-story.html</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giblet_Enjoyer 01/29/18 9:28:58 PM #23:	CiIantro posted... Trump says it will help American manufacturers of solar panels, but foreign imports will STILL be cheaper with the tariffs. All this does is drive up the cost of solar energy, decrease its economic viability, and keep America dependent on non-renewable energy--and that is exactly what Trump wants. Wow what a cocksucker --- He which make friends with scorpion, soon come to find out what a scorpion does - they bite people with its tail --ancient Chinese proverb <cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted [p:895072509] in Trump's ne... [t:76259092]...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote>Trump says it will help American manufacturers of solar panels, but foreign imports will STILL be cheaper with the tariffs. All this does is drive up the cost of solar energy, decrease its economic viability, and keep America dependent on non-renewable energy--and that is exactly what Trump wants.</quote> Wow what a cocksucker</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
flussence 01/29/18 9:29:37 PM #24:	Sephiroth1288 posted... CiIantro posted... BUT IT MEANS MORE COAAAAAAAL AND TOXIC WASTE woooooooooooo Coal generates 30% of our electricity Solar generates less than 1% of our electricity, even with several billion dollars of government subsidies. Yeah you're so far behind the first world --- u <cite>flussence posted [p:895072554] in Trump's ne... [t:76259092]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote>BUT IT MEANS MORE COAAAAAAAL AND TOXIC WASTE woooooooooooo</quote> Coal generates 30% of our electricity Solar generates less than 1% of our electricity, even with several billion dollars of government subsidies.</quote> Yeah you're so far behind the first world</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nomadic View 01/29/18 9:31:35 PM #25:	CNN --- {}\\{}(o){}\\//{}//=\\{})){}(< \\//{}{{-{}//\\{} {}xxxxxxxx{};;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;> <cite>Nomadic View posted [p:895072683] in Trump's ne... [t:76259092]...</cite> <quote>CNN</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 01/29/18 9:36:50 PM #26:	flussence posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... CiIantro posted... BUT IT MEANS MORE COAAAAAAAL AND TOXIC WASTE woooooooooooo Coal generates 30% of our electricity Solar generates less than 1% of our electricity, even with several billion dollars of government subsidies. Yeah you're so far behind the first world Solar energy is pointless when nuclear power is a thing that exists. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:895073007] in Trump's ne... [t:76259092]...</cite> <quote><cite>flussence posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote>BUT IT MEANS MORE COAAAAAAAL AND TOXIC WASTE woooooooooooo</quote> Coal generates 30% of our electricity Solar generates less than 1% of our electricity, even with several billion dollars of government subsidies.</quote> Yeah you're so far behind the first world</quote> Solar energy is pointless when nuclear power is a thing that exists.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Capn Circus 01/29/18 9:39:41 PM #27:	If solar technology is the future, be-all-end-all (as far as we know), wouldn't it be a good thing if America had a competitive, even a potential stronghold on production and superior solar products? --- "I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks <cite>Capn Circus posted [p:895073171] in Trump's ne... [t:76259092]...</cite> <quote>If solar technology is the future, be-all-end-all (as far as we know), wouldn't it be a good thing if America had a competitive, even a potential stronghold on production and superior solar products?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 01/29/18 9:41:49 PM #28:	CiIantro posted... Trump says it will help American manufacturers of solar panels, but foreign imports will STILL be cheaper with the tariffs. All this does is drive up the cost of solar energy, decrease its economic viability, and keep America dependent on non-renewable energy--and that is exactly what Trump wants. ...lolwut? The whole point of tariffs is to reduce foreign competition, so even if it's "still" cheaper, people are more likely to buy American. More importantly, it puts money in the hands of American companies who are more likely to actually innovate. Corrik posted... That said, the people who are buying solar panels usually are not pinching pennies nor doing it for the cheapness of it. Thus, I suspect the tariffs will have a negligible effect on installer jobs. This, tbh. Plus a lot of states are starting to hit back on solar anyway, making changes to direct and indirect subsidies due to the economic issues. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:895073297] in Trump's ne... [t:76259092]...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote>Trump says it will help American manufacturers of solar panels, but foreign imports will STILL be cheaper with the tariffs. All this does is drive up the cost of solar energy, decrease its economic viability, and keep America dependent on non-renewable energy--and that is exactly what Trump wants.</quote> ...lolwut? The whole point of tariffs is to reduce foreign competition, so even if it's "still" cheaper, people are more likely to buy American. More importantly, it puts money in the hands of American companies who are more likely to actually innovate. <cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote>That said, the people who are buying solar panels usually are not pinching pennies nor doing it for the cheapness of it. Thus, I suspect the tariffs will have a negligible effect on installer jobs. </quote> This, tbh. Plus a lot of states are starting to hit back on solar anyway, making changes to direct and indirect subsidies due to the economic issues.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheVipaGTS 01/29/18 9:42:42 PM #29:	Zeus posted... so even if it's "still" cheaper, people are more likely to buy American ....i don't follow your logic. --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 <cite>TheVipaGTS posted [p:895073359] in Trump's ne... [t:76259092]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>so even if it's "still" cheaper, people are more likely to buy American</quote> ....i don't follow your logic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BLAKUboy 01/29/18 9:44:32 PM #30:	TheVipaGTS posted... ....i don't follow your logic. That was supposed to be logical? --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera http://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:895073459] in Trump's ne... [t:76259092]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheVipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote> ....i don't follow your logic.</quote> That was supposed to be logical?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 01/29/18 9:46:06 PM #31:	CiIantro posted... creativerealms posted... Why not open solar panel plants in America? Oh wait EPA regulations. Because people don't want to pay 100x more for a solar panel. Low-cost labor in production is good because it means greater adoption of solar and more jobs in the installation and maintenance industry here at home. translation: I am okay with exploiting labor in third world countries if we get solar power out of it --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:895073562] in Trump's ne... [t:76259092]...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>creativerealms posted...</cite> <quote>Why not open solar panel plants in America? Oh wait EPA regulations.</quote> Because people don't want to pay 100x more for a solar panel. Low-cost labor in production is good because it means greater adoption of solar and more jobs in the installation and maintenance industry here at home.</quote> translation: I am okay with exploiting labor in third world countries if we get solar power out of it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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bigotry 01/29/18 9:50:45 PM #33:	16-BITTER posted... Average Cilantroll topic isn't he one of the "post-midnight depression" cronies? --- Proud Beta. niceguy4lyfeneverchanging Beta is for better as in I am a better human being than the protoypical alpha jerk. <cite>bigotry posted [p:895073807] in Trump's ne... [t:76259092]...</cite> <quote><cite>16-BITTER posted...</cite> <quote>Average Cilantroll topic</quote> isn't he one of the "post-midnight depression" cronies?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 01/29/18 9:56:30 PM #34:	Tyranthraxus posted... CiIantro posted... creativerealms posted... Why not open solar panel plants in America? Oh wait EPA regulations. Because people don't want to pay 100x more for a solar panel. Low-cost labor in production is good because it means greater adoption of solar and more jobs in the installation and maintenance industry here at home. translation: I am okay with exploiting labor in third world countries if we get solar power out of it Climate change liberalism in a nutshell. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:895074171] in Trump's ne... [t:76259092]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>creativerealms posted...</cite> <quote>Why not open solar panel plants in America? Oh wait EPA regulations.</quote> Because people don't want to pay 100x more for a solar panel. Low-cost labor in production is good because it means greater adoption of solar and more jobs in the installation and maintenance industry here at home.</quote> translation: I am okay with exploiting labor in third world countries if we get solar power out of it</quote> Climate change liberalism in a nutshell.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 01/29/18 9:58:11 PM #35:	darkjedilink posted... Climate change liberalism in a nutshell. you can have climate change liberalism without exploiting people to do it. If you want the climate to change, I do not think it is unreasonable to ask people to pay higher prices to make it happen faster. Coal exploits people worse than solar plants in third world countries and fucks up the climate to boot. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:895074283] in Trump's ne... [t:76259092]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Climate change liberalism in a nutshell. </quote> you can have climate change liberalism without exploiting people to do it. If you want the climate to change, I do not think it is unreasonable to ask people to pay higher prices to make it happen faster. Coal exploits people worse than solar plants in third world countries and fucks up the climate to boot.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 01/29/18 10:29:28 PM #36:	CiIantro posted... Corrik posted... Solar Panel Manufacturers say this will allow them to compete and net more manufacturing jobs. Solar Panel installers say it will increase price and less people will buy solar panels making less jobs for installers. Why you are only presenting one side of the argument as fact is interesting. That said, the people who are buying solar panels usually are not pinching pennies nor doing it for the cheapness of it. Thus, I suspect the tariffs will have a negligible effect on installer jobs. It is not like this was not researched before Trump was advised to institute the tariff after finding out there was unfair practices in China propping up the market. There is a 23,000 net job loss AFTER factoring in any bump that manufacturing gets. http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-fact-check-solar-jobs-20180129-story.html This is untrue. Solar installers say it will lose 20,000 when all is said and done. Solar manufacturers say it will gain 130,000 when all is said and done. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:895076342] in Trump's ne... [t:76259092]...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote>Solar Panel Manufacturers say this will allow them to compete and net more manufacturing jobs. Solar Panel installers say it will increase price and less people will buy solar panels making less jobs for installers. Why you are only presenting one side of the argument as fact is interesting. That said, the people who are buying solar panels usually are not pinching pennies nor doing it for the cheapness of it. Thus, I suspect the tariffs will have a negligible effect on installer jobs. It is not like this was not researched before Trump was advised to institute the tariff after finding out there was unfair practices in China propping up the market.</quote> There is a 23,000 net job loss AFTER factoring in any bump that manufacturing gets. http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-fact-check-solar-jobs-20180129-story.html</quote> This is untrue. Solar installers say it will lose 20,000 when all is said and done. Solar manufacturers say it will gain 130,000 when all is said and done.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 01/29/18 10:31:40 PM #37:	Tyranthraxus posted... darkjedilink posted... Climate change liberalism in a nutshell. you can have climate change liberalism without exploiting people to do it. If you want the climate to change, I do not think it is unreasonable to ask people to pay higher prices to make it happen faster. Coal exploits people worse than solar plants in third world countries and fucks up the climate to boot. The manufacturing process to make solar panels in third-world countries fucks up the climate, too. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:895076481] in Trump's ne... [t:76259092]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Climate change liberalism in a nutshell. </quote> you can have climate change liberalism without exploiting people to do it. If you want the climate to change, I do not think it is unreasonable to ask people to pay higher prices to make it happen faster. Coal exploits people worse than solar plants in third world countries and fucks up the climate to boot.</quote> The manufacturing process to make solar panels in third-world countries fucks up the climate, too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CiIantro 01/29/18 10:38:20 PM #38:	Tyranthraxus posted... CiIantro posted... creativerealms posted... Why not open solar panel plants in America? Oh wait EPA regulations. Because people don't want to pay 100x more for a solar panel. Low-cost labor in production is good because it means greater adoption of solar and more jobs in the installation and maintenance industry here at home. translation: I am okay with exploiting labor in third world countries if we get solar power out of it If you have ever consumed anything that said "Made in China", you have no room to talk. <cite>CiIantro posted [p:895076879] in Trump's ne... [t:76259092]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>creativerealms posted...</cite> <quote>Why not open solar panel plants in America? Oh wait EPA regulations.</quote> Because people don't want to pay 100x more for a solar panel. Low-cost labor in production is good because it means greater adoption of solar and more jobs in the installation and maintenance industry here at home.</quote> translation: I am okay with exploiting labor in third world countries if we get solar power out of it</quote> If you have ever consumed anything that said "Made in China", you have no room to talk.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paragon21XX 01/29/18 11:52:39 PM #39:	CiIantro posted... Tyranthraxus posted... CiIantro posted... creativerealms posted... Why not open solar panel plants in America? Oh wait EPA regulations. Because people don't want to pay 100x more for a solar panel. Low-cost labor in production is good because it means greater adoption of solar and more jobs in the installation and maintenance industry here at home. translation: I am okay with exploiting labor in third world countries if we get solar power out of it If you have ever consumed anything that said "Made in China", you have no room to talk. All "Made in China" does for outsourced manufacturing is increase profit margins for domestic businesses. Allowing the Chinese to directly dump their cheap goods here with no way to mitigate it creates a glut that threatens all non-Chinese producers and jobs (unless your whole business is simply installing panels). If you can't grasp that distinction, then you have no further business addressing this topic. --- Hmm... <cite>Paragon21XX posted [p:895081170] in Trump's ne... [t:76259092]...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>creativerealms posted...</cite> <quote>Why not open solar panel plants in America? Oh wait EPA regulations.</quote> Because people don't want to pay 100x more for a solar panel. Low-cost labor in production is good because it means greater adoption of solar and more jobs in the installation and maintenance industry here at home.</quote> translation: I am okay with exploiting labor in third world countries if we get solar power out of it</quote> If you have ever consumed anything that said "Made in China", you have no room to talk.</quote> All "Made in China" does for outsourced manufacturing is increase profit margins for domestic businesses. Allowing the Chinese to directly dump their cheap goods here with no way to mitigate it creates a glut that threatens all non-Chinese producers and jobs (unless your whole business is simply installing panels). If you can't grasp that distinction, then you have no further business addressing this topic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
r4X0r 01/29/18 11:57:31 PM #40:	Funny how when Obama did the SAME THING, it wasn't a problem. https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/17/business/energy-environment/-us-imposes-steep-tariffs-on-chinese-solar-panels.html --- Smiled as fierce as a forty pounder. <cite>r4X0r posted [p:895081409] in Trump's ne... [t:76259092]...</cite> <quote>Funny how when Obama did the SAME THING, it wasn't a problem. https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/17/business/energy-environment/-us-imposes-steep-tariffs-on-chinese-solar-panels.html</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CiIantro 01/30/18 12:04:17 AM #41:	r4X0r posted... Funny how when Obama did the SAME THING, it wasn't a problem. https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/17/business/energy-environment/-us-imposes-steep-tariffs-on-chinese-solar-panels.html CiIantro posted... On_The_Edge posted... Was Obama also a cretin for having those same tarifs? [citation needed] And if you are telling the truth, yes. Solar panel tariffs are asinine. I don't care who the president is. <cite>CiIantro posted [p:895081736] in Trump's ne... [t:76259092]...</cite> <quote><cite>r4X0r posted...</cite> <quote>Funny how when Obama did the SAME THING, it wasn't a problem. https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/17/business/energy-environment/-us-imposes-steep-tariffs-on-chinese-solar-panels.html</quote> <cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>On_The_Edge posted...</cite> <quote>Was Obama also a cretin for having those same tarifs?</quote> [citation needed] And if you are telling the truth, yes. Solar panel tariffs are asinine. I don't care who the president is.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Capn Circus 01/30/18 12:08:37 AM #42:	r4X0r posted... Funny how when Obama did the SAME THING, it wasn't a problem. https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/17/business/energy-environment/-us-imposes-steep-tariffs-on-chinese-solar-panels.html Also funny how some liberals want to thumb their nose at a few thousand jobs created in various sectors and then be outraged by a few thousand jobs theoretically, or potentially, lost. --- "I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks <cite>Capn Circus posted [p:895081941] in Trump's ne... [t:76259092]...</cite> <quote><cite>r4X0r posted...</cite> <quote>Funny how when Obama did the SAME THING, it wasn't a problem. https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/17/business/energy-environment/-us-imposes-steep-tariffs-on-chinese-solar-panels.html</quote> Also funny how some liberals want to thumb their nose at a few thousand jobs created in various sectors and then be outraged by a few thousand jobs theoretically, or potentially, lost.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CiIantro 01/30/18 12:27:20 AM #43:	Capn Circus posted... r4X0r posted... Funny how when Obama did the SAME THING, it wasn't a problem. https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/17/business/energy-environment/-us-imposes-steep-tariffs-on-chinese-solar-panels.html Also funny how some liberals want to thumb their nose at a few thousand jobs created in various sectors and then be outraged by a few thousand jobs theoretically, or potentially, lost. 23k to be exact <cite>CiIantro posted [p:895082691] in Trump's ne... [t:76259092]...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>r4X0r posted...</cite> <quote>Funny how when Obama did the SAME THING, it wasn't a problem. https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/17/business/energy-environment/-us-imposes-steep-tariffs-on-chinese-solar-panels.html</quote> Also funny how some liberals want to thumb their nose at a few thousand jobs created in various sectors and then be outraged by a few thousand jobs theoretically, or potentially, lost.</quote> 23k to be exact</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paragon21XX 01/30/18 1:48:15 AM #44:	CiIantro posted... Capn Circus posted... r4X0r posted... Funny how when Obama did the SAME THING, it wasn't a problem. https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/17/business/energy-environment/-us-imposes-steep-tariffs-on-chinese-solar-panels.html Also funny how some liberals want to thumb their nose at a few thousand jobs created in various sectors and then be outraged by a few thousand jobs theoretically, or potentially, lost. 23k to be exact You're seriously trusting some number that's likely less accurate than a back of a napkin calculation? --- Hmm... <cite>Paragon21XX posted [p:895085978] in Trump's ne... [t:76259092]...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>r4X0r posted...</cite> <quote>Funny how when Obama did the SAME THING, it wasn't a problem. https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/17/business/energy-environment/-us-imposes-steep-tariffs-on-chinese-solar-panels.html</quote> Also funny how some liberals want to thumb their nose at a few thousand jobs created in various sectors and then be outraged by a few thousand jobs theoretically, or potentially, lost.</quote> 23k to be exact</quote> You're seriously trusting some number that's likely less accurate than a back of a napkin calculation?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CiIantro 01/30/18 1:57:48 AM #45:	Paragon21XX posted... CiIantro posted... Capn Circus posted... r4X0r posted... Funny how when Obama did the SAME THING, it wasn't a problem. https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/17/business/energy-environment/-us-imposes-steep-tariffs-on-chinese-solar-panels.html Also funny how some liberals want to thumb their nose at a few thousand jobs created in various sectors and then be outraged by a few thousand jobs theoretically, or potentially, lost. 23k to be exact You're seriously trusting some number that's likely less accurate than a back of a napkin calculation? yep <cite>CiIantro posted [p:895086317] in Trump's ne... [t:76259092]...</cite> <quote><cite>Paragon21XX posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>r4X0r posted...</cite> <quote>Funny how when Obama did the SAME THING, it wasn't a problem. https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/17/business/energy-environment/-us-imposes-steep-tariffs-on-chinese-solar-panels.html</quote> Also funny how some liberals want to thumb their nose at a few thousand jobs created in various sectors and then be outraged by a few thousand jobs theoretically, or potentially, lost.</quote> 23k to be exact</quote> You're seriously trusting some number that's likely less accurate than a back of a napkin calculation?</quote> yep</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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