Poll of the Day > Has anyone in the media said this as a solution to reduce shootings?

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pipebomb_phil
02/15/18 6:02:02 PM
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I don't watch a lot of tv so I don't know if this has been brought up yet.

But I think a good solution to this is to have police officers on school campuses all the time. I don't know how many. It would have to vary from school to school due sizes and populations.

I also think metal detectors should be installed in some public places particularly schools.

Both of my suggestions would be very costly, but there is a solution to that as well I think. Public schools can charge parents, guardians, or relatives a few dollars a month. I don't know how much it would cost to install metal detectors and have police officers on campus, but I think this would be a good idea.

I don't know about you but I'd rather be safe than sorry.

Would those suggestions eliminate all school shootings from happening? No. But it would help reduce it quite a bit.

Will banning guns in the U.S. eliminate all school shootings from happening? Absolutely not. That's impossible. If someone with mental problems wants to kill people, they'll do it some how. If no guns are available they can create explosives, use fire, use household items like knives, or vehicles to name a few. Should all of those things be banned in the US as well? No.

I don't like how the media (from what I've seen) thinks banning guns is the only way to stop shootings from happening because it isn't. Again, it's impossible and they should figure out how to reduce it.
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Mead
02/15/18 6:08:08 PM
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How do you expect schools to pay police wages and for all sorts of security equipment when most cant even afford to have a music class
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SunWuKung420
02/15/18 6:08:30 PM
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There was a sheriff at the school when the shooting started. This isn't a gun issue. It's a mental health and a culture where violence against others is seen as a valid solution to a problem issue.
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Jen0125
02/15/18 6:10:14 PM
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Mead posted...
How do you expect schools to pay police wages and for all sorts of security equipment when most cant even afford to have a music class


exactly. there is some captioned image going around saying we should hire 3 homeless veterans per school to protect the students.

how do these people propose we pay 3 extra employees per school especially considering a job like that would likely be entitled to hazard pay. plus metal detectors are not going to be in a school's already tight budget. congress is constantly slashing education funding. we barely have art and music classes anymore but somehow we're supposed to pay police officers to be stationed at every school. oh okay. right.
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pipebomb_phil
02/15/18 6:11:33 PM
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Mead posted...
How do you expect schools to pay police wages and for all sorts of security equipment when most cant even afford to have a music class


Who cares about music classes? Besides, if you read my post I mention how schools can pay for it.

SunWuKung420 posted...
There was a sheriff at the school when the shooting started. This isn't a gun issue. It's a mental health and a culture where violence against others is seen as a valid solution to a problem issue.


I did not know about the sheriff on campus.

I agree, it is a mental health issue and something must be done about it. The only thing I can think of is providing free mental care services to everyone. Teachers can report suspicious students, etc. It would be something at least.
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WhiskeyDisk
02/15/18 6:15:11 PM
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pipebomb_phil posted...
Teachers can report suspicious students, etc. It would be something at least.


That's getting dangerously close to "precrime"/thought police territory though.
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Mead
02/15/18 6:15:23 PM
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pipebomb_phil posted...
Who cares about music classes?


Humans, anyone that likes having a culture

Schools need to be safe but they also need to be somewhere where different kinds of people can develop and find their aptitudes in life. Just like kids from poorer families that find success through their talent in sports, some kids can achieve the same kind of success or scholarship opportunities through artistic endeavors.
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Jen0125
02/15/18 6:15:51 PM
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pipebomb_phil posted...
Both of my suggestions would be very costly, but there is a solution to that as well I think. Public schools can charge parents, guardians, or relatives a few dollars a month. I don't know how much it would cost to install metal detectors and have police officers on campus, but I think this would be a good idea.


people already pay taxes for public school funding. why should they need to pay more because we have a gun control issue in this country? that's a bandaid, not a solution.
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Yellow
02/15/18 6:16:33 PM
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SunWuKung420 posted...
There was a sheriff at the school when the shooting started. This isn't a gun issue. It's a mental health and a culture where violence against others is seen as a valid solution to a problem issue.

There is always going to be that basic human instinct to kill. There will always be that one guy hotwired to go nuts out of literally billions of people in a single week.
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Mead
02/15/18 6:17:10 PM
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If I pay more taxes for schools I want them to hire enough teachers so there arent 40 kids to a class room
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Roachmeat
02/15/18 6:22:04 PM
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pipebomb_phil posted...
The only thing I can think of is providing free mental care services to everyone. Teachers can report suspicious students, etc. It would be something at least.


From what I've read, the guy was already suspended when he came back with the guns. What more reporting could they have done? As for the free mental care services, how do you feel about those sessions being forced, since we can't expect the individual to think they have an issue.
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Mead
02/15/18 6:23:07 PM
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Maybe have less guns
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Dikitain
02/15/18 6:26:06 PM
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Some of the urban schools in my area already have police officers and metal detectors, doesn't make them any safer. If anything it tells me "keep your kids out of this school if you value their life".

Plus the whole "just charge the parents a few bucks a month" reeks of you not understanding what living paycheck to paycheck means. Half the kids that go to the problem schools have parents that cant even afford food for 3 meals a day let alone paying for schooling.
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OhhhJa
02/15/18 6:29:32 PM
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Start having metal detectors and kids will just choose a new location for their shooting sprees. Eventually we'd be at the point where there's a metal detector for every public place you enter
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pipebomb_phil
02/15/18 6:37:12 PM
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Mead posted...
Maybe have less guns


People will use other things and methods to kill.
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OhhhJa
02/15/18 6:39:13 PM
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Mead posted...
Maybe have less guns

Good luck getting Americans to turn in their guns lol
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madadude
02/15/18 6:40:02 PM
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SunWuKung420 posted...
This isn't a gun issue. It's a mental health and a culture where violence against others is seen as a valid solution to a problem issue.


If that was the only factor this would be happening around the world every week. Instead America is the only place where it happens frequently, and maybe somewhere in Europe once a year. It's very clearly a very big gun issue, along with a mental issue and a culture of sensationalized violence in the media of course, but a gun issue nonetheless.
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Mead
02/15/18 6:40:53 PM
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pipebomb_phil posted...
Mead posted...
Maybe have less guns


People will use other things and methods to kill.


Are those things easier to use than guns?
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Roachmeat
02/15/18 6:42:33 PM
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pipebomb_phil posted...
Mead posted...
Maybe have less guns


People will use other things and methods to kill.


Knives aren't point and shoot. Cars require gas and smooth surfaces. Even (mass) poisonings require a lot of variables to get a high count. Someone asks for more ice cubes or spills their drink and your massacre runs into a snag.
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pipebomb_phil
02/15/18 6:42:39 PM
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Mead posted...
pipebomb_phil posted...
Mead posted...
Maybe have less guns


People will use other things and methods to kill.


Are those things easier to use than guns?


Knives are. Cars are.
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Mead
02/15/18 6:45:30 PM
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pipebomb_phil posted...
Mead posted...
pipebomb_phil posted...
Mead posted...
Maybe have less guns


People will use other things and methods to kill.


Are those things easier to use than guns?


Knives are. Cars are.


You think you could kill more in a school with a knife or a car than with guns?
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madadude
02/15/18 6:45:58 PM
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When someone kills 17 people at a school with a knife then I'll take that argument somewhat seriously. Until then its the most ridiculous cop out argument people against gun restrictions take.
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pipebomb_phil
02/15/18 6:46:01 PM
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Mead posted...
pipebomb_phil posted...
Mead posted...
pipebomb_phil posted...
Mead posted...
Maybe have less guns


People will use other things and methods to kill.


Are those things easier to use than guns?


Knives are. Cars are.


You think you could kill more in a school with a knife or a car than with guns?


That wasn't the point.
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Mead
02/15/18 6:47:06 PM
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pipebomb_phil posted...
Mead posted...
pipebomb_phil posted...
Mead posted...
pipebomb_phil posted...
Mead posted...
Maybe have less guns


People will use other things and methods to kill.


Are those things easier to use than guns?


Knives are. Cars are.


You think you could kill more in a school with a knife or a car than with guns?


That wasn't the point.


Its my point.
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OhhhJa
02/15/18 6:51:04 PM
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Homemade explosives aren't that difficult to make
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madadude
02/15/18 6:51:21 PM
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The United States has the highest homicide rate of any of the wealthy 1st world countries by a significant amount, and over 70% of them are caused by guns.

Meanwhile countries like the UK, Australia, New Zealand etc. have 1/5th the homicide rate of the U.S. and each of those countries have less than 20% of their homicides caused by guns.
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Doctor Foxx
02/15/18 6:56:56 PM
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gravy
02/15/18 7:00:11 PM
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pipebomb_phil posted...
Who cares about music classes?

There are numerous studies that show that studying music improves cognitive ability and memory.
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pipebomb_phil
02/15/18 7:02:23 PM
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gravy posted...
pipebomb_phil posted...
Who cares about music classes?

There are numerous studies that show that studying music improves cognitive ability and memory.


I'm doing great without music.
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Jen0125
02/15/18 7:05:15 PM
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pipebomb_phil posted...
gravy posted...
pipebomb_phil posted...
Who cares about music classes?

There are numerous studies that show that studying music improves cognitive ability and memory.


I'm doing great without music.


Oh you sweet summer child.
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aHappySacka
02/15/18 7:22:04 PM
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The Americans would rather dump money into paying their politicians more and fighting the war on drugs (when they consume the most drugs in the world) than wasting money of education or public safety because that would be socialism and that's not ok.
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Mead
02/15/18 7:27:03 PM
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pipebomb_phil posted...
gravy posted...
pipebomb_phil posted...
Who cares about music classes?

There are numerous studies that show that studying music improves cognitive ability and memory.


I'm doing great without music.


are you tho
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Troll_Police_
02/15/18 7:43:42 PM
#34:


Mead posted...
pipebomb_phil posted...
Mead posted...
pipebomb_phil posted...
Mead posted...
Maybe have less guns


People will use other things and methods to kill.


Are those things easier to use than guns?


Knives are. Cars are.


You think you could kill more in a school with a knife or a car than with guns?


with a car? fuck yes. give me a dishrag and a lighter and that car just became a fucking wall smashing ram with a time bomb built into it.

with a knife? i donno, maybe. if someone were careful and sneaky enough they could do a lot more damage before someone noticed. its not like a gun where even with a suppressor you know that its been used from forever away.

people are good at coming up with ways to kill people. youre never gonna stop them by limiting their access to certain items, youre gonna stop them when you address the cause that makes them WANT to kill people.
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old_school227
02/15/18 8:01:03 PM
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madadude posted...
When someone kills 17 people at a school with a knife then I'll take that argument somewhat seriously. Until then its the most ridiculous cop out argument people against gun restrictions take.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/world/japan-knife-attack-deaths/index.html
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Doctor Foxx
02/15/18 8:04:19 PM
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Troll_Police_ posted...
Mead posted...
pipebomb_phil posted...
Mead posted...
pipebomb_phil posted...
Mead posted...
Maybe have less guns


People will use other things and methods to kill.


Are those things easier to use than guns?


Knives are. Cars are.


You think you could kill more in a school with a knife or a car than with guns?


with a car? fuck yes. give me a dishrag and a lighter and that car just became a fucking wall smashing ram with a time bomb built into it.

with a knife? i donno, maybe. if someone were careful and sneaky enough they could do a lot more damage before someone noticed. its not like a gun where even with a suppressor you know that its been used from forever away.

people are good at coming up with ways to kill people. youre never gonna stop them by limiting their access to certain items, youre gonna stop them when you address the cause that makes them WANT to kill people.

that must be why there are so many people driving cars into schools and killing people in countries with gun restrictions... hey wait
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Doctor Foxx
02/15/18 8:05:01 PM
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old_school227 posted...
madadude posted...
When someone kills 17 people at a school with a knife then I'll take that argument somewhat seriously. Until then its the most ridiculous cop out argument people against gun restrictions take.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/world/japan-knife-attack-deaths/index.html

19 disabled people at a long term care facility. not alert and mobile people at a school. close but missing some key things
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SinisterSlay
02/15/18 8:07:24 PM
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Doctor Foxx posted...
old_school227 posted...
madadude posted...
When someone kills 17 people at a school with a knife then I'll take that argument somewhat seriously. Until then its the most ridiculous cop out argument people against gun restrictions take.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/world/japan-knife-attack-deaths/index.html

19 disabled people at a long term care facility. not alert and mobile people at a school. close but missing some key things

The first sentence tells it all.

At least 19 people were killed and 26 injured in a stabbing spree at a facility for disabled people west of Tokyo, making it one of Japan's deadliest mass killings since World War II. Nine men and 10 women, ranging in age from 18 to 70, were killed in the attack.

How many years ago was that again? Remind me. It seems Japan has one serious attack every 70 years?
I'd say gun control is working there.
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Mead
02/15/18 8:07:38 PM
#39:


with a car? fuck yes. give me a dishrag and a lighter and that car just became a fucking wall smashing ram with a time bomb built into it.


Why would I give you either of those things after your post
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