Board 8 > All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 450: NOBODY READY FOR.... Ellsworth

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Ellsworth is .... Money?
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Da Big Hog!
The Legit Ellsworth
...um...
The E Team? (which is just him, and the shirt somehow looks cheaper than The B Team shirts?)
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I spend RAW not bringing up how bad Roman is every week
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But Roman was so sympathetic this week! He had TWO matches and he won both of them! He only got hurt because those dastards in the Revival cheated so much! And Lashley is a total dick for staying out of the match just like Roman wanted.
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Who cares about the Big Dog. I support the Big Hog.
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Already posted? This is great
https://twitter.com/ddtuniverse/status/1014105841731973120?s=19
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I had to skip at least 1/3 of RAW.
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that twitter link was hilarious :D
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XIII_rocks posted...

Already posted? This is great
https://twitter.com/ddtuniverse/status/1014105841731973120?s=19

This is awesome!
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205 is the best!
205 is the best!
205 is the best!
205 is the best!

Seriously.

Murphy and Ali wanted to END each other in that. Last time I saw something THAT brutal on the show was Ceddy/Dar in the I quit or Tozawa/Kendrick's street fight
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Ali has quickly become the best cruiserweight they have in the company outside of Ricochet
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https://twitter.com/BeckyLynchWWE/status/1014641545964761088

I love Becky
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That was great
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Hardcore_Adult posted...

205 is the best!

Seriously.

Murphy and Ali wanted to END each other in that.

All facts. Csonka on 411 even gave this week's 205 episode a 9/10. That's a score that's more common for NJPW and NXT
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https://twitter.com/ProjectCiampa/status/1014875229108293637?s=19

Tomasso pls. ;_;
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ZeroSignal620 posted...

Hardcore_Adult posted...

205 is the best!

Seriously.

Murphy and Ali wanted to END each other in that.

All facts. Csonka on 411 even gave this week's 205 episode a 9/10. That's a score that's more common for NJPW and NXT

Feh, NXT hasn't FULLY rebounded yet after Takeover.
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That ace Romero pounce is ridiculous. That dude made him look like a million bucks and the guy looks like he has some charisma too. any of you guys know about him?
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Hardcore_Adult posted...

Feh, NXT hasn't FULLY rebounded yet after Takeover.

While true, I'm just saying the average scores I see when reading reports on 411 is between 7.5 and 9 for NXT. SmackDown usually scores in the 6-7 range, and Raw's pretty much anywhere between 3 and 7.
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RAW is a 4 on any given week.
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You're not wrong, honestly. Csonka's last four Raw reports...

6/11 - 5/10
6/18 - 6.1/10
6/25 - 4.5/10
7/2 - 3.5/10

SD usually scores better, with the sole exception being Battleground last year, which got a 1.9
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I am officially on the Brock is Bad for Business team

with no main event feud that I am interested in I have not been as interested in tuning in (and Nak and AJ had similiar effects)

And when Brock does show its cookie cutter. Every Roman match is just Eh, and the matches I was excited for (Braun and Joe) made me not as interested by the time it got there.

At this point I honestly want Cena to just come and get it because he will at least show up and make the matches interesting even as a part timer

hell give it to Trips at this point

just make me care
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I'd rather throw the Universal title in the river at this point.
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that'll put butts in seats
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Its Not Brock

It's Roman.

I thought the Braun and Goldberg feuds were pretty good.

I do actually think at this point that Cena should have just beaten brock to end the feud like 4 years ago though.
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Nah, it's definitely Brock

Roman doesn't help, but Brock's actively detracting from the product at this point
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I reliably care more about Brock matches that aren't against Roman than anything else given by the product so I would disagree wholeheartedly.
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Yeah I am right there with Lopen.

It basically goes

Brock matches with no roman>everything else>Brock matches with roman>Nakamura matches
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Pretty much.

Replace Nakamura matches with Bray Wyatt matches and you have me.

Brock vs Samoa Joe feud was good too for the one month it had.

Brock vs AJ Styles was a great match despite no real build to speak of.

Hell I would've loved to see Brock vs Jinder when that was teased.
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I mean, the Brock matches have been pretty decent, but it's just so hard to care about them because you know he's gonna win and then not be seen for a few months until the next one

I'd get more into it if he wasn't tying up the main event
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He should be the main event specifically because there ARENT other stars

The #1 issue is that Rollins would be in the exact same programs he is currently in if the title on his shoulder was the Universal title.

It would bring the program down for Rollins, and not Brock, to be the main event.
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Eddv posted...

He should be the main event specifically because there ARENT other stars

The #1 issue is that Rollins would be in the exact same programs he is currently in if the title on his shoulder was the Universal title.

It would bring the program down for Rollins, and not Brock, to be the main event.

I mean, I know this has always been your gig

But no
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StealThisSheen posted...

but it's just so hard to care about them because you know he's gonna win and then not be seen for a few months until the next one

I mean that's true of more match possibilities than most

I would actually get hyped if Brock would lose though which is a lot more than you can say for the underdog in most matches

And a toss up match isn't entertaining just because you can't predict the winner. You have to care about who wins or loses too.
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If Rollins were a big enough star to be the main guy, then he, and not brock, would be the main guy.

Romans big story would be trying to overcome Seth Rollins, rather than overcoming brock.

This was even the case literally when Rollins did have the title.
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Eddv posted...

If Rollins were a big enough star to be the main guy, then he, and not brock, would be the main guy.

Have you ever watched WWE

"They make the main guys the biggest stars"

fucking what
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50/50 main event booking is not inherently good.

In fact, its inherently not good.

It was for example, good booking that AJ never lost to Nak and never really was in serious danger of losing to Nak.
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So you're literally of the opinion that Rollins vs Dolph Ziggler as the main event would be an upgrade over Brock Lesnar vs, well anyone.
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Yes because while Brock occasionally has good matches, that's basically all you get.

Rollins is pretty much guaranteed a good match and you actually get build that isn't just "X talks about Brock"
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Its not an either/or situation.

You get Rollins vs Ziggler either way.

You either get top brock or no brock.

And raw would be undoubtedly worse with no brock.
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Eddv posted...

And raw would be undoubtedly worse with no brock.

I mean Raw has no Brock already so
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Like, don't get me wrong. There admittedly are reasons to like Brock

"Brock makes Raw better" is most certainly not one of them
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I stopped caring about Brock a while ago, personally. Don't give a shit what he does, he might as well just hold the title for the next three years and retire with it, same result as if he drops it. They've booked him to not make sense losing it to anyone, and after all this time, I believe it. Any match Brock loses is a plot hole, doesn't make the guy who beat him look any better in my eyes. Brock's booking is basically the company telling us their roster is shit and I've come around to agreeing.
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Don't get me wrong

If Brock were actually on Raw, then yes, it would be better than if Brock weren't on Raw

But Brock's not on Raw

And yet Brock's not treated like he's not on Raw, either, when he isn't

They dedicate time and segments to Brock the same as if he were there. Except he's not there. So it's typically just

"In three weeks I will beat Brock! okay thanks have a nice night drive safe"

It's just so bizarre and not good
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StealThisSheen posted...

"In three weeks I will beat Brock! okay thanks have a nice night drive safe"

I'm imagining all the top faces cutting this promo exactly and it is wonderful
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StealThisSheen posted...

But Brock's not on Raw

And yet Brock's not treated like he's not on Raw, either, when he isn't

They dedicate time and segments to Brock the same as if he were there. Except he's not there. So it's typically just

"In three weeks I will beat Brock! okay thanks have a nice night drive safe"

What confuses me is why you think those segments will suddenly be filled with something better.

Rollins vs Ziggler does it suddenly become compelling if it's for the Universal Title instead of the IC Title

And if it does what's Smackdown's excuse?

I'd believe you if these Raws were good outside the Brock segments but they're not. And they haven't been for quite some time.
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Lopen posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

But Brock's not on Raw

And yet Brock's not treated like he's not on Raw, either, when he isn't

They dedicate time and segments to Brock the same as if he were there. Except he's not there. So it's typically just

"In three weeks I will beat Brock! okay thanks have a nice night drive safe"

What confuses me is why you think those segments will suddenly be filled with something better.

Rollins vs Ziggler does it suddenly become compelling if it's for the Universal Title instead of the IC Title

And if it does what's Smackdown's excuse?

I'd believe you if these Raws were good outside the Brock segments but they're not. And they haven't been for quite some time.

Other stuff being bad doesn't really make it good to continue something else that is bad and has been bad for a loooong time, now, though

Like, I'd rather take the chance and see what they filled the time with over just continuing this
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Brock makes me want to watch title matches though (provided they're not against Roman)

Given title matches I want to watch vs title matches I'm not going to want to watch without a damn good build I think removing Brock is a net negative because I have no reason to believe "damn good builds" will start existing, and Brock makes me want to watch his matches without them.
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See the issue is that it makes most sense now for him to lose due to interference

like Balor Club helping Finn

...but its going to be something stupid like Braun cashes in, Roman hits a spear, Braun wins

and then Roman vs Braun where Brock comes to kill Roman
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Lopen posted...

I'd believe you if these Raws were good outside the Brock segments but they're not. And they haven't been for quite some time.

The rest of the show has no bearing on it to me. Other stuff sucking doesn't change that every segment where they dance around Brock being their top guy who they can't afford to have on their show makes me tune out even harder than the rest. Like you say that Rollins vs Ziggler isn't compelling but to me at least those guys *try* to make it feel like they're doing something worth watching. Whether it works or not, I'll take that over the Lesnar booking that just makes the entire show feel like it sucks and knows it.
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The show isn't going to stop feeling like that with a champion that's present

I again will take you back to Smackdown. Do you feel Smackdown is doing anything but killing time 90% of the time? Because I don't. And AJ Styles being present doesn't change that.

I mean basically that should always be your sanity check because you can't scapegoat Brock for Smackdown.
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I don't know why your defense of Brock is always "but other things are bad" but it annoys me. It doesn't matter how good or bad other segments are. Brock's booking drags the show down whenever the show does anything to remind me of it. It's not that Brock is magically destroying every segment he's not involved in, it's that the segments he is involved in or mentioned in piss me off.
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