Current Events > Black woman creates a vacation for black women away from white people

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pres_madagascar posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Imagine if someone promoted a white vacation away from black people.

They do, it's called sandals resorts.

That's interesting. Despite having seen their commercials on TV for years, I only know one person IRL who actually went there and that's one of my black coworkers who went with his wife last year. From what I remember, he seemed to describe the trip favorably. But I guess maybe he didn't realize he wasn't supposed to go there or all the people working there didn't realize that he and his wife are black.
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Sad_Face posted...

as a Caribbean native, as someone who grew up around people who look like myself, I can somewhat sympathize with the girls. They want to be in a community with people who look like them and they feel like the odd ones out in their community.

I agree. I also feel isolated when i walk into mcdonald's and i'm the only white person in the place and then they served me a soggy egg that was brown on the bottom because they were too lazy to clean the grill also my soda had barely any ice in it and they pulled my hash brown from the fryer too early i stopped going there now i go to burger king across the street much better

DifferentialEquation posted...

pres_madagascar posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Imagine if someone promoted a white vacation away from black people.

They do, it's called sandals resorts.

That's interesting. Despite having seen their commercials on TV for years, I only know one person IRL who actually went there and that's one of my black coworkers who went with his wife last year. From what I remember, he seemed to describe the trip favorably. But I guess maybe he didn't realize he wasn't supposed to go there or all the people working there didn't realize that he and his wife are black.

My folks went to one like 15 years ago. But Jamaica isn't exactly free of "teh blacks".
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So black people can help black people but any other race is not allowed to help their own race?

when you're coming off as this dense, it's going to start looking deliberate. in that case, you'd be trolling and should be properly called out.

especially considering the account.
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That is coming from someone who said that veiled racism is the solution to this woman getting called out for her blatant racism.

CornBarn posted...

So black people can help black people but any other race is not allowed to help their own race?

Other people help their own all the time, it's suddenly a problem when black people do it though.
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Taharqa_ posted...

CornBarn posted...

So black people can help black people but any other race is not allowed to help their own race?

Other people help their own all the time, it's suddenly a problem when black people do it though.

I don't believe it's wrong for black people to do things for other black people.

Saying things like what this lady said is wrong though, because it is racist.

Anyway, did you end up withdrawing your previous claim?

CornBarn posted...

Taharqa_ posted...

CornBarn posted...

So black people can help black people but any other race is not allowed to help their own race?

Other people help their own all the time, it's suddenly a problem when black people do it though.

I don't believe it's wrong for black people to do things for other black people.

Saying things like what this lady said is wrong though, because it is racist.

Anyway, did you end up withdrawing your previous claim?

What previous claim? About the disparity in black and white wealth and the history behind it? That's not a claim, it's a fact.
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Taharqa_ posted...

CornBarn posted...

Taharqa_ posted...

CornBarn posted...

So black people can help black people but any other race is not allowed to help their own race?

Other people help their own all the time, it's suddenly a problem when black people do it though.

I don't believe it's wrong for black people to do things for other black people.

Saying things like what this lady said is wrong though, because it is racist.

Anyway, did you end up withdrawing your previous claim?

What previous claim? About the disparity in black and white wealth and the history behind it? That's not a claim, it's a fact.

The one you made that I contradicted with evidence in a direct response

We need a vacation from them too.
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If you dont think this is racist, ask yourself how it would sound if a white guy responded with the feeling is mutual.
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"White people uplifting other white people" doesn't work when that often meant at the expense of other races. Black people uplifting others doesn't usually mean putting down other races. White uplifting whites almost always led to that.

tennisdude818 posted...

If you dont think this is racist, ask yourself how it would sound if a white guy responded with the feeling is mutual.

Nice low-key way of sneaking in how you really feel.
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Mist_Turnips posted...

We need a vacation from them too.

imagine how racist you gotta be to produce a salty comment like this
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AmericaTheBrave posted...

Nice low-key way of sneaking in how you really feel.

I like how you think that he means all black women instead of the (obvious and correct interpretation of) particular black women that would want to go on said trip.

@FrisbeeDude you too it appears.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Imagine if someone promoted a white vacation away from black people.

They call that Wyoming.
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_OujiDoza_ posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Imagine if someone promoted a white vacation away from black people.

They call that Wyoming.

No, that's a vacation away from all people, and pretty much everything else that isn't rocks or tumbleweeds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bIYV6VkECk" data-time="

I honestly stopped reading. Are people still not watching the video and instead coming in here with their prepared word vomit?

_OujiDoza_ posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Imagine if someone promoted a white vacation away from black people.

They call that Wyoming.

I think you mean Vermont

CruelBuffalo posted...

I honestly stopped reading. Are people still not watching the video and instead coming in here with their prepared word vomit?

Private club; doesn't matter.

I'm just here with a bowl of popcorn, to see the show.

are there any Black men butthurt that they weren't invited to a Black woman retreat ITT? any brotha outraged because they weren't included and given an opportunity to give his opinion on the matter of Black women?

just trying to see the parallels of Fragility by demographic.
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

are there any Black men butthurt that they weren't invited to a Black woman retreat ITT? any brotha outraged because they weren't included and given an opportunity to give his opinion on the matter of Black women?

just trying to see the parallels of Fragility by demographic.

If youre looking for fragility, check out the women referenced in the OP.
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lol
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I relish the fake tears this seclusion is giving people on CE

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

are there any Black men butthurt that they weren't invited to a Black woman retreat ITT? any brotha outraged because they weren't included and given an opportunity to give his opinion on the matter of Black women?

just trying to see the parallels of Fragility by demographic.

lol.. why would we be?
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tennisdude818 posted...

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

are there any Black men butthurt that they weren't invited to a Black woman retreat ITT? any brotha outraged because they weren't included and given an opportunity to give his opinion on the matter of Black women?

just trying to see the parallels of Fragility by demographic.

If youre looking for fragility, check out the women referenced in the OP.

black women discussing issues in a safe space for them is fragility....lmao

black folk just cant win with yall
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who cares about them they're all ugly women anyways

That's just objectively untrue.
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FrisbeeDude posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

are there any Black men butthurt that they weren't invited to a Black woman retreat ITT? any brotha outraged because they weren't included and given an opportunity to give his opinion on the matter of Black women?

just trying to see the parallels of Fragility by demographic.

If youre looking for fragility, check out the women referenced in the OP.

black women discussing issues in a safe space for them is fragility....lmao

black folk just cant win with yall

he's also deliberately ignoring the fact that I was clearly talking about fragility by demographic ITT, but he had to deflect to women who aren't even posting ITT.

lmao like.. why reply when you aren't even addressing the point? fragility must be real bitch to be trapped in, lolololol
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

black folk just cant win with yall

do you not speak english?

CharlesBronson posted...

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

black folk just cant win with yall

do you not speak english?

why do you people enjoy telling on yourselves so much?
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FrisbeeDude posted...

CharlesBronson posted...

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

black folk just cant win with yall

do you not speak english?

why do you people enjoy telling on yourselves so much?

IBmorehistrionics
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CharlesBronson posted...

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

black folk just cant win with yall

do you not speak english?

lolololol!
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

CharlesBronson posted...

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

black folk just cant win with yall

do you not speak english?

lolololol!

It's odd that he's dog whistling you for a lot of reasons.
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when it's hit, it hollers.

like Scooby Doo when the Creeper is on that ass.
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

when it's hit, it hollers.

like Scooby Doo when the Creeper is on that ass.

They sure do love to play the "dumb game". I don't play with their dizzy asses anymore.
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FrisbeeDude posted...

CharlesBronson posted...

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

black folk just cant win with yall

do you not speak english?

why do you people enjoy telling on yourselves so much?

Lol..

FrisbeeDude posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

are there any Black men butthurt that they weren't invited to a Black woman retreat ITT? any brotha outraged because they weren't included and given an opportunity to give his opinion on the matter of Black women?

just trying to see the parallels of Fragility by demographic.

If youre looking for fragility, check out the women referenced in the OP.

black women discussing issues in a safe space for them is fragility....lmao

black folk just cant win with yall

Im criticizing the women in the OP, not black folk, so I dont accept your premise that they cant win with me.
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tennisdude818 posted...

FrisbeeDude posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

are there any Black men butthurt that they weren't invited to a Black woman retreat ITT? any brotha outraged because they weren't included and given an opportunity to give his opinion on the matter of Black women?

just trying to see the parallels of Fragility by demographic.

If youre looking for fragility, check out the women referenced in the OP.

black women discussing issues in a safe space for them is fragility....lmao

black folk just cant win with yall

Im criticizing the women in the OP, not black folk, so I dont accept your premise that they cant win with me.

The criticism may be heavy handed for you specifically, but it's a continuation of post 234. The first post I saw from you after that was a disconnected argument that's been addressed many times over in this topic. The subsequent progression toward this current unsubstantial snarky opinion isn't exactly a good look. It's why the fragility label has been levied in the topic.

I mean, it's a fucking women's retreat. People on here have had the audacity to say that white supremacist groups aren't a threat or anything to worry about and want to tell black people their suspicions and apprehensions about such subjects are unfounded or unrealistic. Some of those same people have posted in this topic and used your first argument as a tool to fucking cry about this shit. That's what fucking fragility looks like.

That's why I think the criticism was levied your way.
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+1

when you've dealt with a certain type of personality long enough, you can profile them pretty easily.
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Kineth posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

FrisbeeDude posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

are there any Black men butthurt that they weren't invited to a Black woman retreat ITT? any brotha outraged because they weren't included and given an opportunity to give his opinion on the matter of Black women?

just trying to see the parallels of Fragility by demographic.

If youre looking for fragility, check out the women referenced in the OP.

black women discussing issues in a safe space for them is fragility....lmao

black folk just cant win with yall

Im criticizing the women in the OP, not black folk, so I dont accept your premise that they cant win with me.

The criticism may be heavy handed for you specifically, but it's a continuation of post 234. The first post I saw from you after that was a disconnected argument that's been addressed many times over in this topic. The subsequent progression toward this current unsubstantial snarky opinion isn't exactly a good look. It's why the fragility label has been levied in the topic.

I mean, it's a fucking women's retreat. People on here have had the audacity to say that white supremacist groups aren't a threat or anything to worry about and want to tell black people their suspicions and apprehensions about such subjects are unfounded or unrealistic. Some of those same people have posted in this topic and used your first argument as a tool to fucking cry about this shit. That's what fucking fragility looks like.

That's why I think the criticism was levied your way.

I didnt read through the topic, so I dont know what people said about white supremacists. I can say that when I listen to the women in the OP talk, its clear that we are miles apart in our thinking. Its to the point where I dont even know where to begin other than to say that in my whole life I cant imagine saying, my whiteness is powerful.
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tennisdude818 posted...

I didnt read through the topic, so I dont know what people said about white supremacists. I can say that when I listen to the women in the OP talk, its clear that we are miles apart in our thinking. Its to the point where I dont even know where to begin other than to say that in my whole life I cant imagine saying, my whiteness is powerful.

A) Play Ikaruga
B) It's a fucking advertisement for an island vacation. With that context in mind, I hope it might be easier to understand why the label of fragility was employed and why there's exasperation about there always being some fucking criticism whenever black identity is involved.

I mean, if people want to call it racist, fine. It's also outside of the US so legality isn't an issue. And yet here in this topic, there are people who just want to fucking throw in their two cents and be self absorbed with this "what if it were about white people?" shit. In a topic about women going to a retreat to escape from white people. They know what answer they're driving at and instead of saying directly how they feel about the situation, they want to fucking talk about white identity and take over the conversation. They want to take over any conversation about race and make it about themselves in anyway imaginable. They didn't ask that question to listen to the response and form some mutual understanding. They asked it to make the conversation about them. How can black people talk about race in a way that will be acknowledged and listened to? What does it take to get a W? In a topic about women getting together and being able to share and relate their experiences and be listened to and have self affirmation, there's the element of people who want to make it about white people.

I hope this sheds some light on both the criticism you've received in this topic and why this retreat is even a thing. What's it take to get a motherfucker to shut up for a second and actually attempt to listen? "What if it weren't about white people for a second?" What can black people do to be able to talk about race and their identity that will be able to be digestible for the MAGA crowd? What can black people do to get the MAGA crowd to shut the fuck up about their feelings when someone else is trying to share theirs? To bridge that miles wide gap is to have an understanding of what it is like to be a minority via sympathy or empathy.

C) "It's okay to be white" is what is said.
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Kineth posted...

Play Ikaruga

Always a good suggestion.
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@Kineth

I appreciate the thoughtful reply. Speaking for myself, I probably can come across as seeming like Im saying what about white people in conversations similar to this. The reason isnt because I am even remotely interested in taking a vacation from X race, but because I dont think diversity works when there is also diversity in standards. And its hard to point that out without referencing how bad a white version of the OP would look.

Its interesting how a lot of white and black people feel like its their side that is always shut down from having conversations about race. Im not sure how that disconnect ever changes.
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Black people don't feel like their side isn't listened to. Black people feel like they are not listened to as individuals. I mean, a protest group based on the notion of protesting police brutality was not listened to because it had a name that made people feel things. A guy can't take a knee without losing his job and getting treated like a whipping boy. A fucking pro athlete protested and it got received so ridiculously. It fucking made white people uncomfortable to see a professional athlete protest over race issues.

Some white people feel like their whiteness is under attack. Black people's identity has been under attack for a fucking 400 year long campaign in this country. It's ridiculous that this is a literal primal tribalistic thing and it's maddening that people always use black people as the de facto opposite for white people. The minority identity is always black people. It was make sense that the de facto opposite for black people would be white people because white people are the majority and black people are a minority. But that's the thing. White people's race isn't why they're the opposite, it's because they're the majority. ..

Frankly, white people think white people are under attack because other white people told them that they're under attack and it's because of this made up idea that people think that their views on whiteness are what minorities must think of whiteness. Black people have been talking about things for years and these same people who act like they aren't listened to would respond with some shit like "duh well wudda bout black on black crime"

And I'm sorry, you wanna talk about diversity in standards? White pride is based on hating others. Minority pride is based on inclusivity and self-affirmation. The difference in standards isn't anyone's fault but history. White people can be proud of their German heritage, their French, English, etc heritage and take fucking trips to the family land out in Scotland, Ireland, Bavaria, etc etc.. WHITE PEOPLE CAN ALREADY DO THAT. But that's not good enough is it now? White people have no reason to be making this shit about themselves here. That's why this trip is a fucking thing and why you're wearing my patience real thin.
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tennisdude818 posted...

Kineth

Its interesting how a lot of white and black people feel like its their side that is always shut down from having conversations about race. Im not sure how that disconnect ever changes.

some families have more basis to their claims than others. some people blame their own poor choices on others when the ramifications are less than favorable. this is why we emphasize on the importance of context and nuance. the importance of cause & effect. the importance of responsibility, accountability, education and empathy.

some people have long family histories of being down with the shit until the shit makes their house stink enough to attract criticism.

the thought of owning up to one's own participation and complacency about something considered horrible makes many uncomfortable.
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I dont think the majority / minority difference explains that much. I lived in LA for a while where nobody is a majority and if you or I said, man, I really need a vacation from Mexicans we would get destroyed. There is only one group you can direct a comment like that towards without being pushed out of polite society, and that fact goes across borders. That sloppiness gives ammo to people who want to say that whites are under attack. To take an example that goes far beyond the OP, recall the asian racist who still works for NYT after spreading her hatred of whites on twitter. Now compare that situation to Marc Lamont Hill getting fired after his comments about Israel and Palestine.

The OP goes beyond cultural pride. My wife is a Japanese immigrant and Ive been to plenty of events that are for her group. Its fine and no different from your example of English pride.
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tennisdude818 posted...

I dont think the majority / minority difference explains that much.

Then you're gonna have a hard time understanding minorities. Period.

I'm really tired and need to get some sleep. You did a real big swing and a miss there with this idea that I should be concerned with the idea that whites are under attack. The people who have the nerve to criticize words, live and die by hiding all the vile shit they say behind closed doors. Dog whistle racism has been a thing for awhile.

The white moderate is who I am concerned about. A white supremacist's warped reality is something I don't give a shit about. It's why I don't go out seeking videos of people talking bad about me.

First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season.
-MLK

You argue respectfully, but you're just not getting it. You know who should be arguing with the white supremacists? Their fucking family members.
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bam!
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Imagine if someone promoted a white vacation away from black people.

it'd be shut down in a heart beat. Alt righters would say "See we told you, they hate white people" and anyone disagreeing with the shutdown would be called hitler.

And that would prove the alt rights point honestly.

Really this vacation not being universally condemned proves their point.