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Corrik7
11/19/19 4:07:02 PM
#51:


Jakyl25 posted...
At what point, in your opinion, did Hitler step over the line? Was it just when he started invading other countries?
Hitler didn't try to take power solely because of that. He succeeded in eventually taking power because of that.


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LordoftheMorons
11/19/19 4:10:30 PM
#52:


https://twitter.com/AaronBlake/status/1196896373905461248

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Jakyl25
11/19/19 4:18:26 PM
#53:


Yeah but does he know about Crowdstrike
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LordoftheMorons
11/19/19 4:22:39 PM
#54:


https://twitter.com/christinawilkie/status/1196897156617195520

Extremely likely that Volker is lying about his own understanding at the time (my own suspicion is that he convinced himself that going along with Trump and Guiliani was worth it if he could get Ukraine the aid), but not a great thing for the Republicans for their own witness to be saying this!

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LordoftheMorons
11/19/19 7:38:26 PM
#55:


https://twitter.com/JenGriffinFNC/status/1196940230055645184

Great news! Fuck that war criminal.

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Corrik7
11/19/19 7:44:31 PM
#56:


I am sure Trump will just overrule that.

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LordoftheMorons
11/19/19 8:40:28 PM
#57:


https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1196962163509911553

Pizzazz is like salt I guess!

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LordoftheMorons
11/19/19 11:07:31 PM
#58:


https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1196992495638532096

Super fucked up

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Nrrr
11/20/19 3:23:52 AM
#59:


https://regeneracion.mx/militares-bolivianos-matan-a-ihapa-la-mascota-de-evo-morales/

link not in english, but summary: at least 23 dead ,715 injured so far by the facist unconstitutional coup in Bolivia, and they fucking ran over Evo Morales dog with a tank.
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LordoftheMorons
11/20/19 6:18:09 AM
#60:


Pompeo is reportedly planning to quit the Trump administration and run for Senate:

https://twitter.com/ianbassin/status/1197051221762138118?s=21

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Peace___Frog
11/20/19 9:10:46 AM
#61:


Sondland isn't going down alone...

https://twitter.com/JohnBerman/status/1197152028750991361

Recall, this is a man who donated a million dollars to trump!
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Reg
11/20/19 9:14:14 AM
#62:


Peace___Frog posted...
Sondland isn't going down alone...

https://twitter.com/JohnBerman/status/1197152028750991361

Recall, this is a man who donated a million dollars to trump!

He thought he could buy a cushy ambassador job with that million, and realized he was getting set up as the fall guy lmao
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Peace___Frog
11/20/19 9:23:04 AM
#63:


Right! How poetic
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Reg
11/20/19 9:32:37 AM
#64:


Peace___Frog posted...
Right! How poetic

I do feel like it's important to highlight that the donation was more or less explicitly buying the job (which, while 'wrong', is sadly common practice in every administration by my understanding, and is so minor that it's hardly worth mentioning as long as the competent career guys still end up in the important/tricky ambassadorships) instead of an ordinary donation
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xp1337
11/20/19 9:45:06 AM
#65:


Sondland throwing everyone under the bus here lol.

WH, State Department, Giuliani, Trump

"There was a quid pro quo"
"I told Senator Ron Johnson... and the Ukrainians!"

and he's still talking!
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Peace___Frog
11/20/19 9:48:11 AM
#66:


That is an important clarification, yes. This was more than a simple donation to a campaign. It was another... quid pro quo!
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xp1337
11/20/19 9:50:39 AM
#67:


Questioning gonna be funny because Nunes in his opening statement included gems like, "You're here to be smeared."

or else he was just announcing their gameplan lol
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xp1337
11/20/19 10:03:28 AM
#68:


lmfao

(with regard to the phone call in the restaurant where he was overheard talking with trump)

"Actually, I would have been more surprised if President Trump didn't bring up the issue of investigations."

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"Was there a quid pro quo? The answer is yes."
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xp1337
11/20/19 10:12:14 AM
#69:


Sondland saying he raised his concerns about Ukraine with Pence.

everyone is here
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NFUN
11/20/19 10:12:26 AM
#70:


xp1337 posted...
lmfao

(with regard to the phone call in the restaurant where he was overheard talking with trump)

"Actually, I would have been more surprised if President Trump didn't bring up the issue of investigations."

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"Was there a quid pro quo? The answer is yes."

Yeah but read the transcript
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Peace___Frog
11/20/19 10:15:43 AM
#71:


xp1337 posted...
Sondland saying he raised his concerns about Ukraine with Pence.

everyone is here

Didn't pence shoot himself in the foot with something yesterday, too?

Even if trump doesn't try to bring pence down with him, i don't see pence coming out of this cleanly.
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Reg
11/20/19 10:22:47 AM
#72:


The literal theocrat seeing consequences for all of this shit would be wonderful.

(Reminder that Pence headed the transition team and was thus fully aware of Flynn and everything about that, including the literal plan to extralegally kidnap a legal resident of the United States and take him to Turkey, where he would likely be tortured and executed)
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Nelson_Mandela
11/20/19 11:30:19 AM
#73:


Pence's involvement is irrelevant. A Republican Senate isn't making Nancy Pelosi president bros. This is all going to get sorted out in next year's election.
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xp1337
11/20/19 11:41:09 AM
#74:


GOP Counsel: So the president told you "talk to Rudy" right?
Sondland: Right.
GOP Counsel: So it wasn't an order, right!?

jesus lmao
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red sox 777
11/20/19 11:53:01 AM
#75:


xp1337 posted...
GOP Counsel: So the president told you "talk to Rudy" right?
Sondland: Right.
GOP Counsel: So it wasn't an order, right!?

jesus lmao


Just a suggestion!
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Nelson_Mandela
11/20/19 11:59:41 AM
#76:


Pence team is adamantly denying that Sondland spoke to him about this. They're never this unambiguous (no "did not recall").

I get the feeling Sondland is lying.
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HeroicSpiderPig
11/20/19 12:04:24 PM
#77:


If Pence looks like he's going down too, I doubt Pelosi would want to be in that position anyway. The House probably appoints someone like Colin Powell as Speaker, and we get Caretaker President Powell for a year.

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xp1337
11/20/19 12:08:44 PM
#78:


Pence won't be removed, the Senate would never allow it, it's just that he's tried to put distance between himself and everything this administration has done.
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Mega Mana
11/20/19 12:20:40 PM
#79:


xp1337 posted...
GOP Counsel: So the president told you "talk to Rudy" right?
Sondland: Right.
GOP Counsel: So it wasn't an order, right!?

jesus lmao


He said "talk to Rudy" not "go talk to Rudy" so it wasn't a direct order!!! XD
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Grimlyn
11/20/19 12:39:25 PM
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xp1337
11/20/19 12:46:49 PM
#81:


Grimlyn posted...
https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1197200696044654593

he has a print out of twitter under that

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Also...

https://twitter.com/NBChristinaGinn/status/1197202267402833920

*record scratch*

"Yep, that's me. You're probably wondering how I ended up in this situation."
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kevwaffles
11/20/19 1:09:28 PM
#82:


Zack Morris powers activate!
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HeroDelTiempo17
11/20/19 1:17:50 PM
#83:


Unless they impeach Trump and Pence at the same time, wouldn't Pence have a chance to appoint a new VP if Trump is removed? The House might have to confirm it, not sure, but they probably would because Pelosi doesn't want that smoke. Seems more likely to me than Pelosi getting anywhere near the presidency and still allows Republicans to save face.

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xp1337
11/20/19 1:22:14 PM
#84:


HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
Unless they impeach Trump and Pence at the same time, wouldn't Pence have a chance to appoint a new VP if Trump is removed? The House might have to confirm it, not sure, but they probably would because Pelosi doesn't want that smoke. Seems more likely to me than Pelosi getting anywhere near the presidency and still allows Republicans to save face.

Appointing a VP requires confirmation from both Houses of Congress, yes.
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LordoftheMorons
11/20/19 1:23:38 PM
#85:


Just woke up and wow

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Corrik7
11/20/19 1:36:56 PM
#86:


I think I might be behind removing Trump from office.

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Not_an_Owl
11/20/19 1:46:19 PM
#87:


HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
Unless they impeach Trump and Pence at the same time, wouldn't Pence have a chance to appoint a new VP if Trump is removed? The House might have to confirm it, not sure, but they probably would because Pelosi doesn't want that smoke. Seems more likely to me than Pelosi getting anywhere near the presidency and still allows Republicans to save face.

I suspect Pelosi will go along with any Pence VP nomination that isn't hideously unqualified and/or obviously ethically compromised.
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red13n
11/20/19 1:49:21 PM
#88:


While I enjoy the fantasy of Trump being removed from office, it isn't going to happen.
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HeroDelTiempo17
11/20/19 1:56:56 PM
#89:


Okay A$AP Rocky being featured in the impeachment hearings is the best thing about them by far

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xp1337
11/20/19 2:03:49 PM
#90:


HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
Okay A$AP Rocky being featured in the impeachment hearings is the best thing about them by far

I cracked a smile earlier when Sondland was saying he actually thinks that was the primary focus of the July 26 (restaurant) call.

discussion of an impeachable offense was just a sidebar
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xp1337
11/20/19 2:17:26 PM
#91:


Also, I don't think it's really being hit on by the committee but the timeline here is that the September 9th call that the GOP/Trump are clinging to where Trump allegedly says, "I WANT NOTHING. I WANT NOTHING. NO QUID PRO QUO" is literally the same day that House Intel got the whistleblower complaint.

So like... yeah, shock they saw they had been caught and denied it!
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LordoftheMorons
11/20/19 2:23:19 PM
#92:


https://twitter.com/qjurecic/status/1197232765399437312

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LordoftheMorons
11/20/19 2:28:44 PM
#93:


https://twitter.com/marcambinder/status/1197228498705731584

Also this would be a solid idea!
https://twitter.com/ChrisLu44/status/1197169687563554817

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Grimlyn
11/20/19 2:55:33 PM
#94:


how's this for a solid idea

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1197177273939611648
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LordoftheMorons
11/20/19 3:01:34 PM
#95:


https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1197134430386761733

Welp, Nikki Haley's future candidacy is sunk. Republicans care very deeply about following proper email protocol!

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LordoftheMorons
11/20/19 3:06:13 PM
#96:


https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1197189560662409216

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xp1337
11/20/19 3:14:59 PM
#97:


BTW, Hurd's line of questioning suggests that he's still all-in on trying to ignore reality with the rest of the GOP. In particular, his ending line of questioning was asking Sondland if he found Zelensky trustworthy and when Sondland answered yes, if it was fair to say that if Zelensky said something directly that it would be safe to assume it was probably accurate.

Which is clearly leading to bolster the whole "Zelensky said no pressure!" narrative.

So if even Hurd hasn't shown any signs of swaying in light of Sondland's testimony doesn't look good for any of them finding their conscience here.
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xp1337
11/20/19 3:18:49 PM
#98:


maloney didn't come to play jeez
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Grimlyn
11/20/19 3:22:56 PM
#99:


xp1337 posted...
maloney didn't come to play jeez

seriously that was brutal when Sondland tried to say he's been forthright through this all
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LordoftheMorons
11/20/19 3:23:43 PM
#100:


xp1337 posted...
BTW, Hurd's line of questioning suggests that he's still all-in on trying to ignore reality with the rest of the GOP. In particular, his ending line of questioning was asking Sondland if he found Zelensky trustworthy and when Sondland answered yes, if it was fair to say that if Zelensky said something directly that it would be safe to assume it was probably accurate.

Which is clearly leading to bolster the whole "Zelensky said no pressure!" narrative.

So if even Hurd hasn't shown any signs of swaying in light of Sondland's testimony doesn't look good for any of them finding their conscience here.
Extremely disappointing.

Hurd is someone who could have been a really solid Congressman in an alternate reality where the GOP didnt go off the deep end.

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