Poll of the Day > I'm considering getting a drone

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Drones sound amazing to see what's going on in my neighborhood without leaving my yard.
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Make sure to check out any relevant laws/rules:

https://uavcoach.com/drone-laws-in-united-states-of-america/

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I was going to get a tiny hawk but worried about simulator sickness.

blu posted...

I was going to get a tiny hawk but worried about simulator sickness.

Don't do it, if you do you'll always regret it cause....you coulda had a falcon!!!!

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I got one from here. http://www.techrabbit.com/gadgets/outdoors/

Couldn't register a license because they want too strong a PW.

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youll just break it like your 36 phones

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Just dont go doing anything skeevy thatll get you labeled as a sex offender

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DPsx7 posted...

Couldn't register a license because they want too strong a PW.

So... make a strong enough password?

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Why get one, when you can BE one? Join the Borg Collective today! Resistance is futile.
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And thus the Borg Queen was born.

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adjl posted...

So... make a strong enough password?

Nah. I'm ok with letters or a number of whatever length. Once you need capitals and symbols, I'd just rather not use your site. Same with captchas. They're bad and blocked on my PC. If I can't get in, you lose a customer. I will not whitelist.

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DPsx7 posted...

Nah. I'm ok with letters or a number of whatever length. Once you need capitals and symbols, I'd just rather not use your site. Same with captchas. They're bad and blocked on my PC. If I can't get in, you lose a customer. I will not whitelist.

lmao

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DPsx7 posted...

Nah. I'm ok with letters or a number of whatever length. Once you need capitals and symbols, I'd just rather not use your site. Same with captchas. They're bad and blocked on my PC. If I can't get in, you lose a customer. I will not whitelist.

Jesus Christ. No wonder you think Steam is 'malware'. You're completely incompetent.

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How so? If it's so complex I'd never remember it then I may as well never go there. It's not like there aren't hundreds of other sites to use with more competent security options. Captchas are a sin. It wasn't that big a deal when it was a few characters. Now you have to select pictures and when you win you still can't log in. Nope, 5 more sets of shit. Today all I get are errors of not being able to connect to their server. Haha.

IGN and some other sites started with nag screens 'please whitelist us'. After some searching I managed to block that too. Some of the images are blurry because of whatever I blocked but it's better than signing up.

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Okay real talk some captchas are absolute ass.

DPsx7 posted...

Nah. I'm ok with letters or a number of whatever length. Once you need capitals and symbols, I'd just rather not use your site.

So you'd rather waste the money you spent on the drone than remember a slightly more complex password than you're used to? This doesn't even surprise me, but still I find my face resting in the palm of my hand.

DPsx7 posted...

If it's so complex I'd never remember it then I may as well never go there.

If you can't remember capital letters and symbols, you should perhaps work on developing your memory. That, or develop an algorithm like replacing spaces with question marks and capitalizing the second-last letter of every word (capitalizing the first letter of words is potentially risky because any dictionary-based cracking algorithm is going to try that) to make remembering it easier.

DPsx7 posted...

It's not like there aren't hundreds of other sites to use with more competent security options.

By any objective measure, requiring greater password entropy is a more competent security option than not doing so. Requiring password length over password entropy is better still (going by https://howsecureismypassword.net/, an 8-character password consisting of uppercase, lowercase, numbers, and symbols is significantly less secure than a 16-character password consisting only of numbers, as much as number-only passwords are a bad idea), but you really can't make a case for having more stringent password security requirements being "incompetent security options." That's just very obviously nonsense.

Furthermore, there aren't hundreds of other sites to use to apply for licenses in your municipality. You've got one option there. Your choice is between making a password they like or not getting the license you need. You went with the option that left you with a very expensive paperweight instead of the option that required you to remember slightly more characters than you're used to. Even then, where it's not a site you use often, you could get away with making a throwaway password that you forget and just resetting it when you need to use the site again, meaning you don't even need to remember anything "hard." That's unambiguously not a smart decision.

ChaosAzeroth posted...

Okay real talk some captchas are absolute ass.

This, I can agree with. As far as password-based applications go, captchas accomplish nothing a login attempt limit can't also do. Password expiry is also a stupid idea in the vast majority of cases because it encourages people to use more easily-guessed passwords and/or to write them down somewhere (which won't necessarily be secure) while doing nothing to protect against account compromises unless the password is changed right in the middle of said compromise (which is extremely unlikely without having passwords change far too often to be practical).

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DPsx7 posted...

How so? If it's so complex I'd never remember it then I may as well never go there. It's not like there aren't hundreds of other sites to use with more competent security options. Captchas are a sin. It wasn't that big a deal when it was a few characters. Now you have to select pictures and when you win you still can't log in. Nope, 5 more sets of shit. Today all I get are errors of not being able to connect to their server. Haha.

Lol you're the reason I have a job. I guess I should consider myself lucky.

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adjl posted...

So you'd rather waste the money you spent on the drone than remember a slightly more complex password than you're used to? This doesn't even surprise me, but still I find my face resting in the palm of my hand.

If you can't remember capital letters and symbols, you should perhaps work on developing your memory. That, or develop an algorithm like replacing spaces with question marks and capitalizing the second-last letter of every word (capitalizing the first letter of words is potentially risky because any dictionary-based cracking algorithm is going to try that) to make remembering it easier.

By any objective measure, requiring greater password entropy is a more competent security option than not doing so. Requiring password length over password entropy is better still (going by https://howsecureismypassword.net/, an 8-character password consisting of uppercase, lowercase, numbers, and symbols is significantly less secure than a 16-character password consisting only of numbers, as much as number-only passwords are a bad idea), but you really can't make a case for having more stringent password security requirements being "incompetent security options." That's just very obviously nonsense.

Furthermore, there aren't hundreds of other sites to use to apply for licenses in your municipality. You've got one option there. Your choice is between making a password they like or not getting the license you need. You went with the option that left you with a very expensive paperweight instead of the option that required you to remember slightly more characters than you're used to. Even then, where it's not a site you use often, you could get away with making a throwaway password that you forget and just resetting it when you need to use the site again, meaning you don't even need to remember anything "hard." That's unambiguously not a smart decision.

This, I can agree with. As far as password-based applications go, captchas accomplish nothing a login attempt limit can't also do. Password expiry is also a stupid idea in the vast majority of cases because it encourages people to use more easily-guessed passwords and/or to write them down somewhere (which won't necessarily be secure) while doing nothing to protect against account compromises unless the password is changed right in the middle of said compromise (which is extremely unlikely without having passwords change far too often to be practical).

Didn't waste. Fly it in my yard. As long as I'm not stupid with it then nobody really has a reason to investigate. All they do is make sure you're not dropping it on people or interfering with aircraft. Common sense stuff. While my drone wasn't a cheap toy it's not a professional model either. No scenic shots from 3 miles away.

I'm not creating bizarre PW's because they developed a crappy site. You can make strong PW's without all the fluff. I can't use 2 factor either since I don't have a cell phone. All things that make me use better designed sites and not theirs. (Speaking in general not just drone stuff.)

I have seen a site or two that offered a license without goofy-ass PW's but something felt off and I don't trust them. If I really wanted to there's always the mail in form.

Glad to see I'm not alone in detesting captchas. Google should take them and F off.

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Smarkil posted...

Lol you're the reason I have a job. I guess I should consider myself lucky.

How? I'm not doing anything wrong and if you were a web designer using bad elements then you wouldn't see me anyway.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not insecure. Unsecure? Whatever. For the stuff I use it's good enough without going overboard. I just need a lock on the door not an infrared laser grid...

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Have you heard the tale of Craig's Mom's Bush?
And the night it saved us from drones?
Nobody knew the power it had
They just thought it was shaggy and gross!
Craig's Mom lived a life of shame and despair
Everyone feared their great giant bush!
But then when drones were filling the sky
She unfurled her bush and she used it to fly!
Craig's Mom's Bush, Craig's Mom's Bush!
Gargantuan thicket of madness...
Bigger than Earth, and denser than gold,
Truly a magical bush to behold!
(whistling)
And she flew and she flew away into the sun...
And she died.
Craig's Mom's Bush, Craig's Mom's Bush!
Truly a magical bush to behold!

DPsx7 posted...

All things that make me use better designed sites and not theirs.

The fact that your definition for "better designed sites" is "sites that let me use less secure passwords" is really very questionable.

DPsx7 posted...

I'm not creating bizarre PW's because they developed a crappy site.

Really, just tack something like "L:" onto the end of whatever password you'd normally use and you'll satisfy their requirements. You can do the same thing for every such password and not have to remember anything extra. It's really not the big deal you're making it out to be.

DPsx7 posted...

You can make strong PW's without all the fluff.

You can, and it is kind of annoying that so many sites prioritize character variety over password length. You can get a much stronger password that's easier for the user to remember (and therefore less likely to be written down somewhere else) by simply using words (preferably with irregular caps or spacing to throw off dictionary-based password crackers) instead of requiring different character types. Again, going by the site linked earlier, a typical desktop computer is capable of cracking the standard minimum of 8 alphanumeric characters (upper/lower case plus symbols) in about 9 hours. Just the word "alphanumeric," however, takes about 4 weeks, which can be upped to 700 years by hyphenating it (grammatically inappropriate, but still easy to remember and breaks dictionary searches), or 434 thousand years by capitalizing the last letter (also easy to remember), and that comes entirely from its length. Password strength increases exponentially for each additional character included, which is why increasing from 8 complex characters to 12 simple ones has such an effect.

That said, I do get why emphasizing variety is the norm. Ask people to make a 12-character password, and they're going to start falling back on numbers and common words that are much more vulnerable, or reusing their passwords more (which is more of a risk than having a crackable password, given how often password databases are hacked). More complex passwords are similarly prone to reuse because they're harder to remember, but they seem less so than a longer requirement would be, and the fact that many will just come up with an 8-character base password and tack on the additional 2-3 characters to satisfy the requirements results in stronger passwords overall.

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