Current Events > Does the far left support the CCP?

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@pure_temper ? More like Pure_Trumpy.

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Funkydog posted...

Yes, we know your thoughts on a genocidal dictatorship and your support of those actions, you don't need to tell us.

Yo man for real why are you sequestered here on CE, you should be sharing the detailed, hands-on research that youve done on the BRI with Chatham House.

https://www.chathamhouse.org/2020/08/debunking-myth-debt-trap-diplomacy

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Zikten posted...

That's in the past. This is literally happening right now. You are twisted

A lot of stuff is happening right now. Yemen Genocide, Palestinian Genocide, etc.

If my vaccine is tainted by Uyghur blood, than where does it end?

tankie losers fuck off

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As a leftist, I do not support them at all. Though I does bother me when the media tries to turn China into another boogeyman because they are becoming a serious rival on the capitalist landscape. The west supports Saudi Arabia and Israel, both currently participating in genocides in Yemen and Palestine. So NOW you care about the uyghur?

pure_temper posted...

@LNSS

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-16/hong-kong-arrests-apple-daily-editor-on-security-law-scmp-says

That article is heavily editorialized, it doesn't even mention why they were arrested, the reason given there is pretty much "China is evil". I suggest paying more attention in how outlets present facts, to avoid being propagandized.

This article is much better, and it helps that it's not a Western source:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/6/23/apple-daily-hong-kong-pro-democracy-tabloid-to-close-by-saturday

China says its because the journalists were engaging in "secession, subversion, terrorism and collusion with foreign forces", which sounds like a valid reason. Western-based HR groups say it was because the journalist was a critic, which seems believable.

There we have the information, and the claims of both sides. AT this point, it's impossible to know the absolute truth. It is up to you to decide which side to believe. I myself think the truth might be somewhere in the middle, as with most things.

ooger posted...

@pure_temper ? More like Pure_Trumpy.

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China bad.

It is the only acceptable opinion.

China bad. Communism bad. Capitalism good.

Nevermind that I am not a capitalist, but a member of the working class. I do not possess enough capital to be of any value to capitalism outside of my labor. I am "paid" for that labor. I am not exploited.

Capitalism good. China bad.

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couldnt they just claim everything is secession or against communism or against the states teachings? Then anyone can be arrested and put into one of those reeducation camps for any reason. Right?

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LNSS posted...

China says its because the journalists were engaging in "secession, subversion, terrorism and collusion with foreign forces", which sounds like a valid reason.

It's not valid. It's good to be involved in those things when the enemy is the CCP

Anyone who defies the CCP is a hero

Zikten posted...

It's not valid. It's good to be involved in those things when the enemy is the CCP

Anyone who defies the CCP is a hero

Again, you are too much of an absolutist. You want to have an absolute evil enemy to avoid thinking issues more thoroughly. I don't mean this as an insult or anything.

It's like if I were to say that Al-Qaeda were heroes because anyone who defies the USA is a hero. It's unreasonable and reeks of fanatism.

polopili posted...

The west supports Saudi Arabia and Israel, both currently participating in genocides in Yemen and Palestine.

pure_temper doesn't talk about saudi arabia or israel

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We've moved on into "justified genocide" and it's not even 2 pages

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LNSS posted...

Holy fuck.

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Normally I'd say that this guy won't last long, but the mods seem to be asleep today
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Even if that riot happened, it doesn't give the right to murder an entire culture.

UnholyMudcrab posted...

Normally I'd say that this guy won't last long, but the mods seem to be asleep today

I think there might be some mods that support the CCP

He might get hit. Shab's been suspended 2 or 3 times for denying the genocide, and this guy's actively justifying it.

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Zikten posted...

Even if that riot happened, it doesn't give the right to murder an entire culture.

I agree, it doesn't. I was simply responding to the person who asked if the CPC just invented charges to send people to the reeducation camps. Things like the Urumqi Riots are used by the Chinese use to justify their repression.

Shezarr posted...

He might get hit. Shab's been suspended 2 or 3 times for denying the genocide, and this guy's actively justifying it.

Unsurprising that you can't read. I have justified nothing.

So because of those riots ten years ago, it justifies millions in those camps? And why support a state or a system where they can arbitrarily put you in one of those camps if you oppose the states teachings or communism? If you agree they can do it for any reason, why praise them at all? That doesnt sound like a free place to live to me.

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Unsurprising that people who so easily consume propaganda have reading comprehension problems. If I were to post about the shortcomings of the Treaty of Versailles, I'd probably be accused of justifying Hitler.

what isnt being comprehended? You said they can arbitrarily put someone in those camps, just accuse them of secession or opposing communism and thats all they need

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I'm pretty far left, and I believe the CCP must be destroyed.

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pure_temper posted...

what isnt being comprehended? You said they can arbitrarily put someone in those camps, just accuse them of secession or opposing communism and thats all they need

I specifically said that they can't just accuse them of stuff to put someone in camps.

LNSS posted...

I specifically said that they can't just accuse them of stuff to put someone in camps.

thats not what you said in post #64. You said that yeah they could just do that maybe you werent clear enough

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LNSS posted...

I specifically said that they <u>can't</u> just accuse them of stuff to put someone in camps.

Except they can and do. All the time

It seems you misread, but it's OK. I'm leaving this topic.

ooger posted...

@pure_temper ? More like Pure_Trumpy.

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Only warned; gross.

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Shezarr posted...

Only warned; gross.

Well it's something at least

How is the nightlife in Hong Kong and Beijing? Is there music? Are there clubs and do people go out to have a good time?

@ssjevot only source on here I really trust tbh

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pure_temper posted...

Is there music? Are there clubs and do people go out to have a good time?

Is this a serious question? Do you actually think there is a possibility that there isn't? Believe me I'm no fan of the CCP but this is an incredibly stupid question.

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pure_temper posted...

How is the nightlife in Hong Kong and Beijing? Is there music? Are there clubs and do people go out to have a good time?

@ssjevot only source on here I really trust tbh

My wife's cousin literally owns a club in Beijing. Your questions about China are so ridiculous dude. Have you never been to a country where you can't criticize the government? China might be the best at cracking down on it, but it's not unique. Life is normal for the vast majority of people, especially in places like Beijing or Hong Kong. You just don't have many of the basic political freedoms people take for granted.

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The far-left tends to just object to the right's objections, so they love the CCP when the far-right hates them and hate them when the right talks about giving them a pass.

LNSS posted...

China works, that's what I like about them.

Well, I guess it depends on your definition of "works," since it's a repressive regime built on a series of economic bubbles, illegal trade practices, and intellectual theft, as well as actively employing slavery and still engaging in genocide. Not to mention that most of the turn-around involves fixing problems that the CCP themselves caused within the past century which included, among other things, more genocide, slavery, and mass murder.

In fact, if the CCP never existed, the country would probably be in a better state today in many ways.

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Zeus posted...

In fact, if the CCP never existed, the country would probably be in a better state today in many ways.

I blame Japan during ww2. I think the CCP never would have taken over if ww2 didn't happen. China would be a democracy today in that timeline

There's a section of leftists that do and pretend to speak for all but most don't.

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Yes. Also see: LeBron James, John Cena, Disney, Nike, the NBA. Others just wont admit it.

polopili posted...

As a leftist, I do not support them at all. Though I does bother me when the media tries to turn China into another boogeyman because they are becoming a serious rival on the capitalist landscape. The west supports Saudi Arabia and Israel, both currently participating in genocides in Yemen and Palestine. So NOW you care about the uyghur?

Exactly. Since when did Americans start caring about Muslims?

America let Jamal Khashoggi, a journalist and Muslim living in America, get butchered to death. There were absolutely no consequences for his death.

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TrowaBarton7 posted...

Exactly. Since when did Americans start caring about Muslims?

America let Jamal Khashoggi, a journalist and Muslim living in America, get butchered to death. There were absolutely no consequences for his death.

A lot of Americans were angry about that. But it happened while Trump was president and he covered it up

Don't confuse the opinions of a sitting president with what half of the citizens believe

TrowaBarton7 posted...

Exactly. Since when did Americans start caring about Muslims?

America let Jamal Khashoggi, a journalist and Muslim living in America, get butchered to death. There were absolutely no consequences for his death.

Zikten posted...

A lot of Americans were angry about that. But it happened while Trump was president and he covered it up

Don't confuse the opinions of a sitting president with what half of the citizens believe

This is a legitimate criticism. Things like social credit is probably overblown by the western media however so I do see how there can be boogeyman things... But not about the Uyghurs. That shit is fucked up. Yemen and Palestine situations are absolutely atrocious too and the USA is absolutely complicit.

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Zeus posted...

Well, I guess it depends on your definition of "works," since it's a repressive regime built on a series of economic bubbles, illegal trade practices, and intellectual theft, as well as actively employing slavery and still engaging in genocide. Not to mention that most of the turn-around involves fixing problems that the CCP themselves caused within the past century which included, among other things, more genocide, slavery, and mass murder.

In fact, if the CCP never existed, the country would probably be in a better state today in many ways.

well said.

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It depends on what you classify as far left.

If you're talking social justice types, people who are concerned with civil rights and the welfare of marginalised groups? The type of people who usually get painted with "far left" in your average online political pissing match? Not at all. Even before the Uighur story broke, China had a bad rap for jailing political dissidents, conducting cyber attacks and having a totalitarian shithead government. Reports of organ harvesting and disappearing prisoners have been around for at least a decade now. Any reasonable leftist can see how fucked up and shitty the CCP is - as well as pretty much any other nation, but for the sake of this topic, about the CCP in particular.

But if we take the horseshoe theory of political engagement as fact, you do have splinter groups up around the same end of the scale as TERFs who either believe that China is being misrepresented by racists and a bigoted media, an idea which China themselves push, or that China is a communist utopia and should be commended for thriving as a communist nation - when they're arguably the biggest patron of capitalism.

And that's not to deny that racists use China's shortcomings to justify their bigotry, because they do - when I talk about splinter groups going to bat for the CCP, I'm talking about people who do that in response for journalists who play hardball about re-education camps that we know exist, and the accounts of people who survived those camps, whose concerns are met with blatant falsehoods and accusations of sinophobia by the CCP. As if those concerns are being levelled against an entire people and not a corrupt government.

Leftists who support the CCP are about as accepted by the left as TERFs are. If that's what you mean by "far left", sure. But we all know what gets branded as far left nowadays, so it's important to make the distinction.

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ssjevot posted...

My wife's cousin literally owns a club in Beijing.

I figured there was some material reason for your opposition to communism, thank you for finally pinpointing it for me.

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pure_temper posted...

How is the nightlife in Hong Kong and Beijing? Is there music? Are there clubs and do people go out to have a good time?

lmfao this is a serious question from the guy telling everyone to "level up their thinking"


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there is a contingent of leftists who are way too forgiving of the ccp but they are generally laughed at by the majority


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Shablagoo posted...

I figured there was some material reason for your opposition to communism, thank you for finally pinpointing it for me.

I support the Japanese Communist Party. My wife's cousin is a member of the CCP, so are his parents who are landlords and literally don't do anything except live off rent. My opposition to the CCP is precisely because they are an organization for the capitalist class. The rich are overwhelmingly members and they have made being a member harder and harder recently to further solidy the control of the party by the elite.

I actually know what China is like since I have been there many times, have family there, and understand the language. You are some white guy in America simping for the CCP on the internet and insisting all Chinese people have the same opinions.

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If all youre going to do is forever screech about my skin color (Im Irish btw, consider reading up on our history) Im not gonna bother engaging with you anymore.

And fuck off with that bullshit. It is the anti-China people like yourself who continually monolithize Chinese people. I give an unbiased, Western source (Harvard) saying most of Chinas citizens are satisfied with the CPC, meanwhile anti-communists (read: fascists) drone endlessly about their belief that everyone in the country is brainwashed and has no agency.

Shut the fuck up, kid.

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lmaoooooo "I'm Irish I'm not white." wew lad. Yeah and I'm half Italian (same history in the US!) but guess what? I'm fucking white.

Shablagoo posted...

meanwhile anti-communists (read: fascists)

good lord it just gets more sad

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Shablagoo posted...

If all youre going to do is forever screech about my skin color (Im Irish btw, consider reading up on our history) Im not gonna bother engaging with you anymore.

And fuck off with that bullshit. It is the anti-China people like yourself who continually monolithize Chinese people. I give an unbiased, Western source (Harvard) saying most of Chinas citizens are satisfied with the CPC, meanwhile anti-communists (read: fascists) drone endlessly about their belief that everyone in the country is brainwashed and has no agency.

Shut the fuck up, kid.

LMFAO

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