Current Events > What if "toxic masculinity" is just men following their instincts?

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Stuff like not showing weakness probably attracted mates for thousands of years. The guy who was open about his emotions was probably considered like a little brother to women.

Nah.

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No, everyone is just brainwashed and doesn't know any better. The world is very simple.

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Thats not toxic masculinity

What_ posted...

Thats not toxic masculinity

How about two men fighting at a party over a girl? How is that any different from two bucks fighting over a doe?

Orlando_Jordan posted...

How about two men fighting at a party over a girl? How is that any different from two bucks fighting over a doe?

Maybe it's not but isn't it a good thing we're evolving from animals. Pretty sure intelligence is attractive to women

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Respect women, TC.

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Every time you make topics you prove that you don't actually talk to any women, ever. Your "experience" with women is watching them on trashy reality TV shows in your parents' basement.
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Orlando_Jordan posted...

How about two men fighting at a party over a girl? How is that any different from two bucks fighting over a doe?

The difference is humans are a little more complex than deer

Orlando_Jordan posted...

How about two men fighting at a party over a girl? How is that any different from two bucks fighting over a doe?

It isn't mating season, if it's mating season then it's fine but it has to be officiated by the woman in question and she may choose the loser if he made a good showing.

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Toxic masculinity is more about people telling men they cannot be caring, emotional, or supportive. Like it isn't "manly" to cry. Shit like that.

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It's also that. Much more: socials problems. Religion and more.

If u wanna believe that its fine i think we arent that far off from non sentient animals like coral and sponges anyways

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We've had at least twenty thousand years of pretending to try to not be "I'm sticking my dick in that!" since the last ice age.

Modern masculinity has only been around for a bit over a hundred years. Men being emotional was considered totally normal before then. But it's kind of a response to feminism in a way. Back in the day men and women were completely seperated in almost every aspect of life. So there was a lot less need to compete with other men for women's attention because they just weren't around eachother.

Men were also super close in a bromance way. There are lots of paintings and early photos of coworking men all close together sitting in each others laps. They didn't think of it as girly or gay because they just didn't need to question that kind of thing. Plus they didn't have much of a concept about what being gay even was so most men didn't worry about being thought of as gay or whatever because they didn't see it as an option in the first place.

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It's "toxic" when you're harrassing men who don't behave that way.
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Einstein said well use rocks on the other side

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Even if it is a natural way for some guys to be, it doesnt matter.

Society changes because of technology and knowledge.

And with it, what is best.

Therefore, those guys would be considered primitive, out of date, cavemen.

Thats how the world works. Things become out of date.

That is the true rule. Not being stuck in your old ways.
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Notti posted...

Even if it is a natural way for some guys to be, it doesnt matter.

Society changes because of technology and knowledge.

And with it, what is best.

Therefore, those guys would be considered primitive, out of date, cavemen.

Thats how the world works. Things become out of date.

That is the true rule. Not being stuck in your old ways.

brah, this shit could fall apart any minute, youll be fight over scraps like the rest of us stop putting on airs

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Ancient Wisdom ~
^Yin-Yang

In every man, there is a little woman & vice versa

Actually, not being able to show your emotions is a weakness.

Being afraid of his own feelings is a fragility.

*unzips*
look at this emotion

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R1masher posted...

brah, this shit could fall apart any minute, youll be fight over scraps like the rest of us stop putting on airs

Oh ok. Ima go waste my life on preppin then for the apocalypse. You go do that. I'll be right there.

Out of date. Get with the times.
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I think there is a natural calling of men to do dangerous and physical tasks just because we're the stronger and more dispensable sex. Those that are not willing to contribute in any way, physically or emotionally, yeah there probably is a natural instinct to sort of shun them out.

However, the way masculinity is in modern society is a bunch of random shit all working together to make men insecure, repressive, and demanding in a way that deals with abstract problems instead of immediate problems.

I'll believe toxic masculinity is not an issue once men's suicide rates go down.

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Abusive feminism & alpha/beta male shaming is also a thing

Just Sayin

DeadBankerDream posted...

Nah.

nah doesnt fit your super safe uncontroversial liberal world view.

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Graycap posted...

It's "toxic" when you're harrassing men who don't behave that way.

But is it? In the making of an actual man there's a little bit of bullying I feel. I think the result of childhood tendencies unresisted by cultural external influences is a pretty infantile crappy man...

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go to horny jail meme

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As men I think e ate supposed to evolve past our instincts is what some expect

haloiscoolisbak posted...

Maybe it's not but isn't it a good thing we're evolving from animals. Pretty sure intelligence is attractive to women

actually its just a hot athletic body

This is a form of naturalistic fallacy. It doesn't matter if something is or isn't natural in terms of if we should or shouldn't do it. Pooping in a toilet isn't natural, but I think we all prefer it to be that way over just pooping on the ground wherever you happen to be.

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sabrestorm posted...

actually its just a hot athletic body

I don't think you realise how quickly a shit personality can ruin a physically attractive person

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The people who care about toxic masculinity will never pay your bills and are fine with dudes ending up homeless. Get over it.

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Topic creator is trolling hard.

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Master Kazuya posted...

I think there is a natural calling of men to do dangerous and physical tasks just because we're the stronger and more dispensable sex.

Fairly sure this is toxic masculinity, too. It definitely isn't natural. The whole idea that "one man can impregnate many women, therefore many men can die" doesn't appear to be supported in our evolutionary history. I've heard people argue that men sacrificing themselves increases the overall fitness of the species or tribe, but humans lack all of the traits common to many self sacrificing animals (short infancy, high birthrate, sterility, bright warning colours, poisonous organs, etc.)

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Xavier_On_High posted...

The whole idea that "one man can impregnate many women, therefore many men can die" doesn't appear to be supported in our evolutionary history.

I mean, it kind of is:
https://psmag.com/environment/17-to-1-reproductive-success

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TC needs to shit in his front yard to prove a point.

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ssjevot posted...

I mean, it kind of is:
https://psmag.com/environment/17-to-1-reproductive-success

"after the advent of agriculture"

This is what I mean. It wasn't built into us genetically, it's socially imposed.

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Very_Unreliable posted...

But is it? In the making of an actual man there's a little bit of bullying I feel. I think the result of childhood tendencies unresisted by cultural external influences is a pretty infantile crappy man...

And what if this change does not occur? What if the target doesn't even have the potential? Then you worsened someone else's life for nothing. That's toxicity.
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TCs topic is a compete fail and just goes to show how uneducated he is.

Very_Unreliable posted...

But is it? In the making of an actual man there's a little bit of bullying I feel. I think the result of childhood tendencies unresisted by cultural external influences is a pretty infantile crappy man...

"the making of an actual man"

Top 20 most cringeworthy things people have ever said on the internet
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just use your common sense and sense of right and wrong and you'll be fine in life.

It's normal to be competitive, regardless of gender. As far as guys being competitive, it's a good thing for a species as a whole. This means the guys with weak/crappy genetics won't spread their inferiority too much.

As we're a highly advanced animal, being competitive doesn't mean a violent fist fight or fighting to the death. Most often it means dominating with body language. Usually the winner is the tallest strongest guy unless he has insecurities. It may also include friendly tests of strength like an arm wrestle. Usually the girl isn't the prize, but in certain situations it could happen.

If you have to show brute strength in a violent/hurtful manner to "show dominance" it means you're insecure and probably have further mental problems. Period.

Just show confidence the right way and you're not toxic. If someone thinks you are just laugh at them, they're the one with the problem.

Maybe you've been culturally conditioned to believe what's "instinctive".

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Most authority figures in young men's lives are women these days

So my question is where are they getting this toxic masculinity from?