Poll of the Day > MAGA Alert -- More Americans opposed to Biden running again than Trump

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https://news.yahoo.com/71-percent-don-t-want-163328294.html

A Harvard CAPSHarris Poll survey shared exclusively with The Hill found that 71 percent of respondents polled do not think Biden should run for a second term, compared to 29 percent who say he should run.

President Biden may want to run again but the voters say no to the idea of a second term, panning the job he is doing as president. Only 30 percent of Democrats would even vote for him in a Democratic presidential primary, Mark Penn, the co-director of the Harvard CAPSHarris Poll survey, said.

But a majority of respondents 61 percent also say former President Trump should not run for the White House in 2024. Thirty-nine percent of respondents said the former president should run again.

Comes on the heels of a recent poll that found more Americans would vote for Trump than Biden.

https://news.yahoo.com/poll-biden-disapproval-hits-new-high-as-more-americans-say-they-would-vote-for-trump-090021657.html

The survey of 1,541 U.S. adults, which was conducted from June 10-13, found that if another presidential election were held today, more registered voters say they would cast ballots for Donald Trump (44%) than for Biden (42%) even though the House Jan. 6 committee has spent the last week linking Trump to what it called a seditious conspiracy to overturn the 2020 election and laying the groundwork for possible criminal prosecution.

Poll question: Who would you less want to see run?

Trump is the greatest threat to the country... Just look at what his fake court is doing.

Can we get a serious candidate

BlackScythe0 posted...

Just look at what his fake court is doing.

Scary how people are trying to delegitimize SCOTUS, possibly to justify removing the court to put in a Biden-friendly replacement.

Count_Drachma posted...

Scary how people are trying to delegitimize SCOTUS, possibly to justify removing the court to put in a Biden-friendly replacement.

Damn right they need to be removed.

If Trumps running it'll be a "I'm not the other guy" campaign like last time

But fixing anything Biden did would be an improvement, no matter how small

papercup posted...

Can we get a serious candidate

In America? Are you serious? Look at everybody running in 2020. There were over 20 candidates in the Dems primary and none of them were any good. Honestly, election after election has been underwhelming, which is why we keep getting the presidents that we do.

Count_Drachma posted...

In America? Are you serious? Look at everybody running in 2020. There were over 20 candidates in the Dems primary and none of them were any good. Honestly, election after election has been underwhelming, which is why we keep getting the presidents that we do.

Elizabeth Warren was running mr. delusional.

BlackScythe0 posted...

Elizabeth Warren was running mr. delusional.

>Calls somebody delusional
>Promotes Elizabeth Warren

Can't make this shit up, LOL!

Elizabeth Warren was a fucking joke candidate.

I mean you're not getting any better than Obama so all you have left is second best. He was the most presidential president of our time and before that Clinton.

In case anyone needs a reminder
https://youtu.be/DQJViwxIpB0?t=720

I literally had a nightmare that Trump became president again last night.
It's depressing how seriously I am considering to leave America cause it's a lazy, racist pit of honkeys. I believe in the American dream and defending freedom, but it's clearly an ideal and not this place.
Do Americans think about this? I'm a hard working, responsible and nice person and I think that means the USA is not for me. There's good people everywhere but they don't seem to be coming to America. I try to make better where I am at but it doesn't seem like it's worth it in America.
Here's to hoping I'm just being dramatic.

how about someone under the age of 65 plz

how about an independent candidate

Straughan posted...

I mean you're not getting any better than Obama so all you have left is second best. He was the most presidential president of our time and before that Clinton.

It's what happens when a culture prioritizes sensationalized bullshit over intelligence or integrity.

Too many fucking people treat their democratic duty to vote the same way they treat picking a sports team to root for. People are seemingly getting dumber (or, at very least, are more easily falling for misinformation), which is making defending the institution of democracy more and more of a tough sell.

Count_Drachma posted...

Scary how people are trying to delegitimize SCOTUS, possibly to justify removing the court to put in a Biden-friendly replacement.

This SCOTUS has stripped away a couple of critical human rights already and laid out an explicit agenda of further rights on the chopping block. They've deligitimized themselves just fine all on their own. A Biden-friendly replacement is irrelevant. I just want to see something human-friendly (also known as "doing their goddamn jobs").

The controlled demolition has already happened. Things are going to get bad.

Trump can help but the best thing at this point might be to go for full speed crash.

SCOTUS is gonna give electoral power purely to state legislatures, democracy (or what's left of it) is fucked in this country. Democrats are fucking worthless, just sitting by with their fingers in their asses and letting the GQP run amuck .

Zareth posted...

SCOTUS is gonna give electoral power purely to state legislatures, democracy (or what's left of it) is fucked in this country. Democrats are fucking worthless, just sitting by with their fingers in their asses and letting the GQP run amuck .

"If we're nice they will decide they like democracy too and decide to start caring about the constitution again!"

BlackScythe0 posted...

"If we're nice they will decide they like democracy too and decide to start caring about the constitution again!"

SCOTUS rules that homosexuals are not humans, House Democrats sing Kumbayah on Capitol steps

I cant believe Im actually living through the decline and collapse of the greatest country the world has ever seen.

faramir77 posted...

People are seemingly getting dumber (or, at very least, are more easily falling for misinformation),

I think that goes hand in hand with technology as well. There's simply more information out there. Its like wading through a cesspool of digital information. My grandpa used to tell me figures don't lie but liers figure.
NeoSioType posted...

The controlled demolition has already happened. Things are going to get bad.

Trump can help but the best thing at this point might be to go for full speed crash.

I would prefer a soft landing. I would like to see us not in war.
DirtBasedSoap posted...

how about someone under the age of 65 plz

how about an independent candidate

I would like to see somone run on a fiscally responsible platform. We haven't had a balanced budget since the Clinton administration. National debt needs to get paid

pedro45 posted...

I literally had a nightmare that Trump became president again last night.
It's depressing how seriously I am considering to leave America cause it's a lazy, racist pit of honkeys.

Have u any places in mind?
I often let my mind wander about what it would be like to live elsewhere.

Can we get soemone as president who isn't a 200-year-old walking corpse?!

I'd wager DeSantis will be up next. Trump will run, but I don't think he'll get the part nomination. The dems don't really have anyone worth a damn to run. They've exiled every moderate they had. There's rumors they're considering AOC, lol! It's like they're begging to get their ass kicked in the next election.

Count_Drachma posted...

Poll question: Who would you less want to see run?

There, I voted for Trump, (in this poll) are you happy?

Biden has been hamstrung from the beginning, the recovery could have been well under way but the narrative that a country spending trillions of dollars in this day and age of billionaires, is somehow bad, has left him facing a minority rule over the will of the populace and his agenda.

Ozmose posted...

I'd wager DeSantis will be up next. Trump will run, but I don't think he'll get the part nomination. The dems don't really have anyone worth a damn to run. They've exiled every moderate they had. There's rumors they're considering AOC, lol! It's like they're begging to get their ass kicked in the next election.

Dems need candidates to succeed in this election, this really could be the last election that is free and fair*

*by what remains of the definition at the time of writing...

Personally I wouldn't trust the average voter in this country to tie their own shoes without getting shit everywhere. When half the country would gleefully re-elect a traitor that's clear evidence we're going down. Bring on the nukes and let's this over with.

Running Biden again would be the dumbest thing the dems have done in over a decade, and that is a stiff competition.

They should be running purely on a "fuck the supreme Court" platform. But they won't.

Alt or imitator?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day?search=Alert

Ozmose posted...

They've exiled every moderate they had.

I genuinely don't know how long it's been since a Democrat president fell any further left than "moderate." Most fall to the right of it, and just seem like left-wing radicals because you're comparing them to Reagan.

adjl posted...

I genuinely don't know how long it's been since a Democrat president fell any further left than "moderate." Most fall to the right of it, and just seem like left-wing radicals because you're comparing them to Reagan.

I would consider Obama a moderate. Biden campaigned as a moderate, but he's sure as hell not acting like one. If you want to know who I'd consider a moderate, Tulsi Gabbard is the first that comes to mind, and if you think I have any affection for Regan, you're just as senile as he was.

Ozmose posted...

If you want to know who I'd consider a moderate, Tulsi Gabbard is the first that comes to mind

Of course you'd pick the Russian asset

Zareth posted...

Of course you'd pick the Russian asset

Wow . . . Just wow. You really need to start questioning where you're getting your information.

Well, yeah. Trump had supporters. Biden was just, not Trump or Bernie.

PyroBlade1985 posted...

Yes and yes! Too bad Americans are to dumb to realize a two party system isn't working anymore.

The problem isn't that Americans are too dumb to realize that. Lots of people have realized that.

The problem is that the system itself is so entrenched it makes it nearly impossible to fight against. Potential "third-party" options are diffused to the point of having no realistic chance most of the time. The Internet makes it far more possible for grass-roots alternatives to build a strong support base (moreso than any other point in the last 150+ years), but there will always be too many candidates pulling in too many different directions, weakening any potential counter-movement. It's why parties like the Green Party and the Libertarians have always been more spoilers for the main parties than people with any real chance in hell of winning on their own.

It's also why most people who grow disillusioned with the system don't start voting for third-party alternatives to try and push for change, but instead stop voting entirely. Because once you start paying attention it becomes very obvious how worthless your vote really is.

And the only way to reform the system to make it easier for alternatives to have a chance would require the active participation of the two parties to undermine their own power-base. So it's almost certainly never going to change.

The other problem is that tons of people (especially in the age of curated social media and politically-aligned news channels) basically pick a political party and then root for "their side" the same way fanatic sports fans root for "their team". "The other team" does terrible things, but "our side" does what needs to be done. "The other team" is evil, unprincipled, and manipulative, "our side" is idealistic and try to do what's best for the country. "The other team" abuses the system and takes away our freedoms for their own selfish reasons, but "our team" does what they need to do to get the job done and only sacrifice freedoms when necessary to make things better. "The other team" does terrible things because they're bad people, "our side" occasionally makes mistakes because they're only human. When "the other team" does something wrong, they're obviously acting out of malice, when "our side" does something wrong, it's probably an accident or based on flawed information or because "those dastardly other guys" backed them into a corner and what other choice did "we" have?

Keep thinking that way long enough, and you become almost blind to anything other than the narrative you've already convinced yourself of. You have your villains, you have your heroes, and the fantasy world you're living in only bares the vaguest resemblance to actual reality. It's easy to hate entire groups of people when you've abstracted them to the most simplistic assumptions and make absolutely no effort to ever understand their point of view.

If you find yourself frequently saying "The Republicans do this" or "The Democrats are bad because" in political discussions, you are part of that problem. Because you've been programmed to see one party as "THE ENEMY" (and thus support the other party), which is exactly what both parties want you to do. Because when you're blaming one party over the other, you're not blaming politicians in general, or the system as a whole. Because if you were, you might try to actually fix it (and put them out of a job).

But when you can blame everything wrong on "The Democrats" or "The Republicans", then both parties can keep you distracted, at odds with your fellow citizens, and effectively powerless.

Biden's a weak politician and he caters to far left Twitter Karens over his own loyal base.

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The issue has nothing to do with Americans' lack of intelligence, its that a democratic system that runs on first-past-the-post (as the US's does) naturally favours two dominant political parties, because a third invariably saps strength from its closest ideological allies and thereby strengthens ideological opponents. Anyone who is old enough to remember the Ralph Nader or Ross Perot campaigns in the US can tell you all about this (the former was a Green Party candidate who likely cost Al Gore the presidency over George W. Bush; the former was the most successful third party candidate in the history of the country, receiving nearly 20% of the vote, and was at least partially responsible for George Bush Sr.'s dismal showing that election).

Accordingly, most third party movements collapse quickly, because its supporters realize they are simply making it easier for those political parties they disagree with most to get elected.

Isn't there some way we can elect a president who isn't an old man?

Hop103 posted...

Biden's a weak politician and he caters to far left Twitter Karens over his own loyal base.

i think youre confused about what far left means

also, i could be wrong, but i generally associate Karens with privileged conservative woman but i guess it could be a bipartisan term

also op can you explain what was racist about what FarQ said? im not trying to be argumentative, just trying to understand what you mean.

Ozmose posted...

I would consider Obama a moderate. Biden campaigned as a moderate, but he's sure as hell not acting like one. If you want to know who I'd consider a moderate, Tulsi Gabbard is the first that comes to mind, and if you think I have any affection for Regan, you're just as senile as he was.

Tulsi is hard-right. She's anti medicare, pro-Assad, anti-trans, anti-gay, pro-life - I don't think you know much about Gabbard.

https://youtu.be/eCT1P6cB9yA

captpackrat posted...

Isn't there some way we can elect a president who isn't an old man?

we almost had an old woman jk

I dont view age as a disqualification. Bernie Sanders had a pretty moderate and reasonable platform. It was sad watching him run and lose after his heart attack.

its probably for the best he didnt win so we can get a young charismatic moderate or progressive in office though.

that said I am enjoying the Biden comedy show and rotfl at people attempting to paint him far left lol.

They successfully sank Obamas agenda by painting him Uber far left because his skin color but it is much harder to do that to a white moderate lol.

ReturnOfFa posted...

Tulsi is hard-right. She's anti medicare, pro-Assad, anti-trans, anti-gay, pro-life - I don't think you know much about Gabbard.

No conservatives are just so far right they think right is moderate when it isn't.

That's not too surprising tbh, it seems like there's more Republicans like Trump than democrats that like biden

ParanoidObsessive posted...

B-b-but PO.... BOTH SIDES!!

Did I do it right PotD? I tried to seethe as hard as I could when I typed that.

PyroBlade1985 posted...

Yes and yes! Too bad Americans are to dumb to realize a two party system isn't working anymore.

All the other parties are as bad as the main parties.

Revelation34 posted...

All the other parties are as bad as the main parties.

Yep libertarians are basically anarchists and the green party has always given me bad vibes every time I check them out.

BlackScythe0 posted...

No conservatives are just so far right they think right is moderate when it isn't.

Ha, totally. But I legit mean it - she's far right.

Revelation34 posted...

All the other parties are as bad as the main parties.

Like I said in another topic, it's fascinating that we can disagree on many things but on other things - we're on the exact same page. I strongly concur with this.