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UnfairRepresent
09/30/23 2:23:00 PM
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A skeleton discovered by teenagers earlier this summer from the River Coln in England has been identified as an African woman who died around 1,000 years ago, between 896AD and 1025AD. Now the question remains, how did it get there?

Police officers were called to an area of the River Coln in Fairford on 7 th July after school pupils Robbie Cribley and Christian Thompson discovered a human skull, followed by the rest of womans remains. The entire skeleton has now been recovered, except for the small bones of the hands and feet which are likely to have disintegrated.

The investigation was handed over to a forensic anthropologist who was able to confirm that the remains belong to a woman who was from Sub-Sahara Africa and aged between 18 and 24 when she died. They are now continuing in their analysis in the hope of discovering how she died.

A thousand years ago the region of Fairford and the surrounding area was embroiled in conflict as England was beginning to take shape from Anglo-Saxon Wessex but faced the threat of constant invasion from Danish controlled Mercia and Viking raiders. England fell to the Vikings in 1013 and was ruled by the House of Denmark until 1042.

"It's intriguing to imagine how a Sub-Saharan African woman came to be found 1,000 years later in the River Coln," said chairman of Fairford History Society Geoff Hawkes. "It really seems extraordinary. There is scattered evidence of, in early times, people travelling considerable distances but Africa to Fairford is a long journey."

It is hoped that further investigation will add more pieces to the puzzle.

Full Article: https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/what-were-remains-1000-year-old-african-skeleton-doing-england-00861

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AloneIBreak
09/30/23 2:24:07 PM
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Some Brit probably stole it

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UnfairRepresent
09/30/23 2:25:46 PM
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found in rural England.*

She didn't discover Rural England, that's not why historians are confused.

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viewmaster_pi
09/30/23 2:27:31 PM
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AloneIBreak posted...
Some Brit probably stole it
stole the skeleton? oi guv lookit wot i got (jingles bag of finger bones)

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evilpresident
09/30/23 2:27:46 PM
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AloneIBreak posted...
Some Brit probably stole it


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ClayGuida
09/30/23 2:31:49 PM
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Vikings probably did it. They were well traveled.

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UnfairRepresent
09/30/23 2:31:51 PM
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It was "some Brit" who discovered it

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El_Marsh
09/30/23 2:39:09 PM
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ClayGuida posted...
Vikings probably did it. They were well traveled.
That was my thought, though I believe at least one of the kingdoms on the island traded with the Abassid Caliphate and it's not unthinkable that she could have arrived there on one of their ships.

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LeCh0nk
09/30/23 2:44:24 PM
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Sunhawk rushing to buy her dinner.

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viewmaster_pi
09/30/23 2:46:29 PM
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LeCh0nk posted...
Sunhawk rushing to buy her dinner.
lol

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ai123
09/30/23 2:49:04 PM
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There were African soldiers in the occcupying Roman army.

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AmericaTheBrave
09/30/23 2:49:37 PM
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Incoming Netflix series about the African woman living in Viking-age England

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ToadallyAwesome
09/30/23 2:50:19 PM
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I like how historians cant fathom that someone would travel back then. Was it hard as fuck and very likely to end in death while on the journey? Hell yeah but some people had to make it. Its just highly improbable not impossible.

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ROBANN_88
09/30/23 2:51:01 PM
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ai123 posted...
There were African soldiers in the occcupying Roman army.

yes, but the Roman Army was long gone by that point

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Ivynn
09/30/23 2:51:12 PM
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ToadallyAwesome posted...
I like how historians cant fathom that someone would travel back then. Was it hard as fuck and very likely to end in death while on the journey? Hell yeah but some people had to make it. Its just highly improbable not impossible.

You have to admit, it's a long walk.

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UnfairRepresent
09/30/23 2:51:41 PM
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ai123 posted...
There were African soldiers in the occcupying Roman army.
Female African soldiers?

And only 1 died?

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VFalcone
09/30/23 2:52:10 PM
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Ivynn posted...
You have to admit, it's a long walk.
Not really. My parents had to walk that far everyday to go to school.
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viewmaster_pi
09/30/23 2:53:10 PM
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VFalcone posted...
Not really. My parents had to walk that far everyday to go to school.
i believe it was snowing back then as well

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ROBANN_88
09/30/23 2:54:34 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Female African soldiers?

And only 1 died?

while, as stated in my previous post, i don't agree with the idea that the Roman Army is responsible for this.
if one were to consider that possibility anyway, soldiers would often bring their family with them

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HannibalBarca3
09/30/23 2:54:40 PM
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Why would they be confused when African people have lived in Europe since antiquity? Aristotle attests black people both in Greece and Sicily. The Romans moved people around, people didn't just stay in one place people tend to travel like today.

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Foppe
09/30/23 2:57:30 PM
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ai123 posted...
There were African soldiers in the occcupying Roman army.
But they left 500 years earlier...

HannibalBarca3 posted...
Why would they be confused when African people have lived in Europe since antiquity? Aristotle attests black people both in Greece and Sicily. The Romans moved people around, people didn't just stay in one place people tend to travel like today.
The Roman Empire had collapsed 400 years earlier.

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El_Marsh
09/30/23 2:59:27 PM
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Man, y'all mofos really do think of the Roman Empire all the time lol

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UnfairRepresent
09/30/23 2:59:51 PM
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HannibalBarca3 posted...
hy would they be confused when African people have lived in Europe since antiquity?
Because there's no evidence of African people living in England at the time.

She was probably a slave from some Viking or Warlord

They're confused because it's impossible to know

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spikethedevil
09/30/23 3:00:27 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
found in rural England.*

She didn't discover Rural England, that's not why historians are confused.

No discovered is also correct as she was discovered there.

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HannibalBarca3
09/30/23 3:00:55 PM
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I can't view shit due to adblock but do they name who the "historians" who claim this are?

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spikethedevil
09/30/23 3:01:44 PM
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Foppe posted...
But they left 500 years earlier...

The Roman Empire had collapsed 400 years earlier.

And the Africans that stayed in England were celibate or something?

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UnfairRepresent
09/30/23 3:03:03 PM
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HannibalBarca3 posted...
I can't view shit due to adblock but do they name who the "historians" who claim this are?
chairman of Fairford History Society Geoff Hawkes.

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name_unknown
09/30/23 3:03:20 PM
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Viking slave/servant?
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spikethedevil
09/30/23 3:03:38 PM
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HannibalBarca3 posted...
I can't view shit due to adblock but do they name who the "historians" who claim this are?

The investigation was handed over to a forensic anthropologist who was able to confirm that the remains belong to a woman who was from Sub-Sahara Africa and aged between 18 and 24 when she died. They are now continuing in their analysis in the hope of discovering how she died

Im sorry if this breaks your fantasy of black people only being in England since slavery.

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ROBANN_88
09/30/23 3:07:07 PM
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wait, so you can tell someones race from their bones?

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Foppe
09/30/23 3:11:28 PM
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spikethedevil posted...


And the Africans that stayed in England were celibate or something?
The DNA said that she was from Africa.
Not that she was 0.00003051757% from Africa.
If she was an ancestor to a black Roman slave that was left by the Romans, then she was at least 16 generations after that. Her DNA would be mostly British.
...unless you want to present a theory that we had an undocumented village of black people in England for over 500 years that kept their bloodline clean from white DNA...

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El_Marsh
09/30/23 3:13:10 PM
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name_unknown posted...
Viking slave/servant?
More than likely, but she also could have been enslaved by Arab traders from the Abassid domains. The Vikings and Abassids really only ventured to sub-Saharan Africa to capture and sell its denizens as slave labor. The sad thing is that if she were somehow the exception to this, there's no way that we'll ever know.

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spikethedevil
09/30/23 3:14:17 PM
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Foppe posted...
The DNA said that she was from Africa.
Not that she was 0.00003051757% from Africa.
If she was an ancestor to a black Roman slave that was left by the Romans, then she was at least 16 generations after that. Her DNA would be mostly British.
...unless you want to present a theory that we had an undocumented village of black people in England for over 500 years that kept their bloodline clean from white DNA.

Yeah fair point lol. Probably a Viking slave.


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Foppe
09/30/23 3:14:58 PM
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ROBANN_88 posted...
wait, so you can tell someones race from their bones?
You can extract DNA from it.

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ROBANN_88
09/30/23 3:16:45 PM
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Foppe posted...
You can extract DNA from it.

oh, yeah, that makes more sense

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angeleyes94
09/30/23 4:15:01 PM
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Yakuub!?

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divot1338
09/30/23 4:26:54 PM
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Answer: the Moops!

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boxoto
10/01/23 3:12:43 PM
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AmericaTheBrave posted...
Incoming Netflix series about the African woman living in Viking-age England
this dude hates on black people so much

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UnfairRepresent
10/02/23 6:23:55 AM
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angeleyes94 posted...
Yakuub!?
wut

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DerWillZurMacht
10/02/23 6:28:48 AM
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AmericaTheBrave posted...
Incoming Netflix series about the African woman living in Viking-age England
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Tom_Joad
10/02/23 7:54:45 AM
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There was a thriving trade-based kingdom in west Africa during that time (Ghana Empire).

It's quite possible that a merchant family traveled up to England to trade... and the wife died from some disease.

I mean, that's how churches would get their frankincense and myrrh (for example), because it's not native to England.

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LeoRavus
10/02/23 7:59:38 AM
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This must have something to do with aliens.

How were the pyramids built? Aliens.

Who made the Nazca lines? Aliens.

How did an African woman get to England 1000 years ago? Aliens.

It's like modern man is completely baffled that humans could do anything on their own hundreds of years ago but eat and shit.


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UnfairRepresent
10/02/23 8:01:09 AM
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Tom_Joad posted...


It's quite possible that a merchant family traveled up to England to trade
Trade with rural Gloucestershire?

Bristol didn't even exist back then.

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majin_nemesis
10/02/23 8:04:17 AM
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what's so confusing about this? people traveled back then and 1000 ago, there was already roads, horse wagons and chariots and stuff and even boats, it isn't that impossible for her to have traveled from Africa to England, hell wasn't the roman empire stretched all the way to Africa? if that was possible hundreds of years before this woman was born then why couldn't she have traveled to England?

this sounds more like people in the UK don't want to accept that people in UK were never purely white

UnfairRepresent posted... Because there's no evidence of African people living in England at the time.

She was probably a slave from some Viking or Warlord

They're confused because it's impossible to know
or she wasn't a slave at all, just because black people were enslaved by white people at one point in history doesn't mean that they were always slaves
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UnfairRepresent
10/02/23 8:15:10 AM
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majin_nemesis posted...
what's so confusing about this? people traveled back then and 1000 ago, there was already roads, horse wagons and chariots and stuff and even boats, it isn't that impossible for her to have traveled from Africa to England, hell wasn't the roman empire stretched all the way to Africa?

Impossible? No

Just highly unlikely, bizarre and impossible to explain an ironclad reason for why she would be there. All you can do is create hypotheticals. Like she was a Viking slave

Hence the confusion.

if that was possible hundreds of years before this woman was born then why couldn't she have traveled to England?

It actually would be easier to explain if it was centuries before when Romans were afoot



this sounds more like people in the UK don't want to accept that people in UK were never purely white

I think you're reaching

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majin_nemesis
10/02/23 9:15:14 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Impossible? No

Just highly unlikely, bizarre and impossible to explain an ironclad reason for why she would be there. All you can do is create hypotheticals. Like she was a Viking slave
not really

It actually would be easier to explain if it was centuries before when Romans were afoot
how would it be easier?
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pikakaeru
10/02/23 9:16:12 AM
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did they assume its gender?

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UnfairRepresent
10/02/23 9:20:25 AM
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majin_nemesis posted...
how would it be easier?
if romans had an empire that stretched to Africa that means there was means to travel all those distances and romans built roads and stuff that made easier to travel all those distance so it would be easier to travel then before them
Because the Romans had left centuries ago

So there would be no reason for random African families to travel 10,000+ miles to the middle of no where England.

You have to create one from the ether. Hence the confusion. It's a mystery.

I don't think "The Romans built roads" means what you think it means.

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majin_nemesis
10/02/23 2:06:46 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Because the Romans had left centuries ago

So there would be no reason for random African families to travel 10,000+ miles to the middle of no where England.

You have to create one from the ether. Hence the confusion. It's a mystery.
maybe they wanted to live some place else people back then traveled too, not sure why you people have this idea that traveling is something recent it's not, that's how humans spread to everywhere in the world, you think people in china spawned there? no humans traveled from Africa to china and to
europe and even to America
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bfslick50
10/02/23 2:29:01 PM
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Yikes at the number of people assuming her being a slave is the only option. Sure maybe, but the Vikings weren't the only ones making boats. She could've sailed north with other Africans.

UnfairRepresent posted...
And only 1 died?

Surely you're aware that the vast majority of skeletons from 1,000 years ago haven't been well-preserved and DNA sequenced. No one should assume 1 found means there was only 1, think in terms of probability.

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