Board 8 > Blade Mafia 5 Topic 9: Cats on a Hot Tin Roof

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UltimaterializerX posted...

And heres the $64,000 question for Death and Andy.

If ctes and Sheep are a scum pair (and at this point thats like 98%), doesnt today feel like they want ctes killed first? Ive seen ctes be suspected wrongly as town before, with the whole insane watcher garbage. This aint it.

Now add in Sheeps auto vote, which he clearly knew wouldnt actually end the game, and yeah. Sheep I am concerned.

I mean, whoever the hell Ctes is paired with, they want him dead first, or at least don't care enough to defend him. The sole reason to pin this on me is because you need me dead tomorrow to win.

I am wary about changing tracks now since I still cant rule out you being scum with Ctes, Ulti.
Though Sheep doesnt look entirely good. And I suppose you couldnt have predicted that Sheep would show up in time to give you a reason to not vote Ctes

Well, the main option for actively trying to get shot was strongly suggesting I was a very powerful role, considering we still had jailkeeper et al alive. And with the typical record of lynching town that lie about power roles, forgive me if I was a tad hesitant to do that.

Sheep and Ctes being scum would also explain why Ctes hasnt voted Sheep yet.

Ulti probably woulda lynched Ctes regardless, his plans just changed from me showing up. He's been actively opportunistic all of today - he was going after you when it seemed there was any suspicion of you whatsoever, and changed tacks when it was clear that wasn't happening. Right now he just needs to convince one of you + BCT, tomorrow he gets to choose which he convinces but doesn't have a second option. Safer to get it in today.

Please name a scum power that valuable that I was willing to make myself look awful lynching Wallz yesterday but now need to live for just one more day, despite knowing that the Wallz lynch would make me look bad.

I still have no idea why FD ever gave Sheep a "Not Nilla" qualifier. I dont see Sheep hinting at being power in between the list that has him as blank and the list that has him as not.

Sheep007 posted...

Please name a scum power that valuable that I was willing to make myself look awful lynching Wallz yesterday but now need to live for just one more day, despite knowing that the Wallz lynch would make me look bad.

Honestly regardless of what you are, you would be forced to go all in on whoever you doublevoted.
And I feel like the vote on Wallz was not even only your decision anyway.

Yes, I stole the bulletproof to protect from being shot, rather than the extra shot, or the known double vote granter.

htaeD posted...

Honestly regardless of what you are, you would be forced to go all in on whoever you doublevoted.
And I feel like the vote on Wallz was not even only your decision anyway.

That's fair, but I don't think it was all that hard to go in on Ctes. He wasn't really in a better-looking position, it was arbitrary who we voted yesterday from the gamestate of five scum that we all thought we were in.

I don't think you understand what a slip is, Ulti

I do also think concern about who is the stronger scum at this point is maybe too much.

But the part about you baiting a scan sounds weak, Sheep.
All of this is enough to make me certain about you as scum, but it is worrying.

Would really love to hear from Ctes again too at this stage.

*this is not enough

Major sentence fail there

And looking back I dont like Sheeps day3 that much, mostly because he used the "killing FD will give us the most info" card.

Which I will admit is a legitimate approach, but also an easy one for scum to take.

Anyway gotta make dinner. Dont do anything crazy

htaeD posted...

But the part about you baiting a scan sounds weak, Sheep.
All of this is enough to make me certain about you as scum, but it is worrying.

I mean, I had about three minutes to write out my claim and the reasoning for it, when Ctes said he wanted to same time. I didn't exactly have a grand gameplan back then, nor did I pick my words super carefully, but it's not exactly a challenge to come up with reasons to breadcrumb power as vanilla.

On a somewhat related note: do you think Town having three roles that are used for protection in one form or another is particularly probable, with such a small scumteam?

UltimaterializerX posted...

Slips are subconscious. Mentioning bulletproof twice from out of no where is sus.

Or are you back to baiting shots instead of scans?

I'm gonna be honest, I think you're overplaying your hand a lil here in going after me. This does not feel like the demeanour of someone who thought Death was 90% scum a solid 24 hours ago.

Y'know what, fair, that's kinda just an Ulti thing rather than a ScumUlti thing

UltimaterializerX posted...

How does I had no time equate to being subtle because you wanted to bait shots and scans?

I genuinely want to know.

It equates to "that is the difference between my statement D3 and my statement right now". I'm not entirely sure I understand your question, but it was obvious enough that I was breadcrumbing power D3 that FD put it in a table. Not gonna claim that it was likely to get me murdered instantly or anything, but I was looking for value without misleading Town too much. Pretty regular way to play vanilla tbh.

UltimaterializerX posted...

I call everyone scum every game so I can always be right, and feel less bad when I choke.

I call it the HanOfTheNekos Strategy.

Love you Han.

On a semi-related note, assuming I get lynched tomorrow, I am gonna blame Han. Me being convinced he was Scum in Star Trek Mafia despite killing Chris, before getting persuaded I was wrong by a very emotional Han, made me shy away from going too deep into Wallz or FD's appeals the last couple days. Bad practice for future me to improve on. I didn't have as much time to solve this game as I'd like but I shoulda paid them more attention even if my PoE turns out to have been correct.

At the very least I dont believe BCT Is scum with sheep.
He was the one who called out sheeps breadcrumbing in the first place

I would also suggest even from a detached PoV I wouldn't be Scum with Ulti (namely because he went fishing for my role *hard* D3 in a way I think is absurd if we were a scum/scum pair)

Ctes is easier to slot into scumpairs that is true.

I also think the interaction between me and Ctes around claiming D3 is very odd if we're both Scum (it's also one of the things that made me even more confident of the Ctes/Ulti scum pairing, since Ulti "forcing" the Ctes claim was a very convenient way to get my role). Although I am biased by knowing my own alignment so take that with the obvious heap of salt.

I'm struggling a bit keeping up with the game right now. Not sure it'll be much better before deadline unfortunately. But I'll try to be around.

Hey Ctes. I have one question for now. Why didnt you vote Sheep again?

Also hope BCT comes back

I think putting down votes at all pushes people to themselves consider who to vote for instead of debating. It should not make a difference in the end anyway.

Still out for a walk. Had to get this in while the weather is nice enough.

Ulti, shouldn't our priority be lynching scum? No matter who it is, we kill one of them. I don't expect Sheep to be scum vig or something. I know he's saved using that until endgame as scum before. It was a long time ago now though, and this discourse reminded me of that.

But since we had a town vig and the looper kill, yet another extra killing action seems overboard.

Ctes is certainly scum and I do think he's being fed to the wolves. Something else is afoot... but who's doing it?

This might sound stupid but why is it you are suspecting me? I think I just never left the poe for anyone and received no items, but there hasn't been any clear points to me beyond that. There was the early activity but in this game that means nothing for anyone.

This is exactly why scum needs to mention me as the route to go on previous days. With all the nights, it's just been the narrative that I must be scum despite no one being entirely sure why. That's the manipulation I talked about.

ctesjbuvf posted...

I think putting down votes at all pushes people to themselves consider who to vote for instead of debating. It should not make a difference in the end anyway.

I guess thats fair in a vacuum, but Sheep kinda already forced us out of said vacuum.

I did state that yes it is odd that Ctes was never seen as town much.
Though your weird claim didnt help.
Also I dont like using logic like this. But at this point I feel like the only one Sheep could be scum with, is you.

I mean you will have my vote at some point.

Remind me why the other pairing don't work?

My claim has been discussed much less than I expected

ctesjbuvf posted...

I mean you will have my vote at some point.

Remind me why the other pairing don't work?

Ulti and Sheep seems unlikely to me because Ulti pivoted towards lynching Sheep just now, perhaps suspiciously perhaps not.
BCT pointed out something that made Sheep look bad, which seems odd to do to a scummate at this point
And I am town

ctesjbuvf posted...

My claim has been discussed much less than I expected

So has Ulti's, really.
Your power is just annoyingly unprovable and useless, which does make me wonder why one would even fake it.