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AriaOfBolo 11/01/23 7:46:02 AM #51: |
like I'm not sure *I* can hold my nose enough to vote blue, and I am straight up afraid for my life if the Rs win enough this round
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swordz9 11/01/23 7:56:18 AM #52: |
You must not be that afraid then. Voting blue is the only hope anyone who isnt a white heterosexual male has for any hope in America. If the Rs get full control you probably wont even have human rights anymore ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 11/01/23 8:00:13 AM #53: |
AriaOfBolo posted...
like I'm not sure *I* can hold my nose enough to vote blue, and I am straight up afraid for my life if the Rs win enough this round I can't imagine anyone saying this and expecting to be taken seriously. You have one group that wants to take away the rights of anyone that isn't a white Christian hetero male and have literally implemented it across multiple states already. Then another group that doesn't want to do that. I'll proudly vote against christofacist douchebags. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Paratroopa1 11/01/23 8:02:19 AM #54: |
Spare a thought for the many orders of magnitude worse Donald Trump, who is aggressively and violently allied with the Israeli far-right and would give them carte blanche to do absolutely anything, would be in this situation. Like it's horrifying to think about. Please do not let this happen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightningStrikes 11/01/23 8:09:25 AM #55: |
I do have to say I personally doubt there will be much in terms of electoral consequences in the US given that not only is it a pretty small sub-section, but current voting intention will change during the campaign, particularly when Trump makes his thoughts known. Just a bit of a general health warning on polls right now. However the rage against Bidens stance is absolutely there and rightly so. Im gonna say bombing children and cutting off water and electricity is no good and providing military aid to a country doing that is beyond obscene.
Edit: Also to add to what others have said not only would Trump fully support the Israeli far-right militarily, perhaps even as far as into Jordan, he would also fully suspend the aid the US is sending into Gaza right now. --- I just decided to change this sig. Blaaaaaaargh azuarc ... Copied to Clipboard!
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swordz9 11/01/23 8:30:05 AM #56: |
TheRock1525 posted... I can't imagine anyone saying this and expecting to be taken seriously.Yeah, this part is just weird. Its like hmm vote blue? Eh I dunno theyre not the best right now. Vote red? They dont even want me to be considered human if Im not a white Hetero Christian male or white subservient Hetero Christian woman. Tough choice! Unless youve got the means to leave America in the chance the Rs win youre best off voting Blue because some of those Rs are insane enough to push to make it legal to murder you ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Obellisk 11/01/23 8:41:46 AM #57: |
There is no excusable reason to vote republican.
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andel 11/01/23 8:42:08 AM #58: |
Seanchan posted...
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/31/politics/mitch-mcconnell-josh-hawley-citizens-united/index.html inexplicably hawley is right about this and it is almost unbelievable that he supports the right position here. corporate money should be out of politics and it's weird for me to agree with an insurrectionist that deserves to be in prison, but defeating citizens united is one of the most important things in saving democracy ironically enough. --- I am thinking about just walking into the river now that Megaupload is gone and condoms are in porn.-Fubonis ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Seanchan 11/01/23 8:53:25 AM #59: |
andel posted...
inexplicably hawley is right about this and it is almost unbelievable that he supports the right position here. corporate money should be out of politics and it's weird for me to agree with an insurrectionist that deserves to be in prison, but defeating citizens united is one of the most important things in saving democracy ironically enough. 100% agree. It felt very bizarre to agree with his take. And then to read McConnell's bitch ass reasons for keeping it because it gives him money and power. Regarding the elections, I don't know about other states but Virginia has all their State Legislature / General Assembly seats up for vote this year. While Virginia has trended blue lately it's still pretty purple overall. And with a R governor there's a chance a closely split State Senate and House could turn fully red. And then we'd have to deal with shit like this (sorry it's a Reddit post and not an actual news story): https://www.reddit.com/r/nova/comments/17jdurh/we_have_been_warned/ --- "That was unnecessarily dramatic". - NY Mets motto (courtesy of InnerTubeHero) Congratulations to azuarc, the guru of gurus and winner of GotD 2020! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PeaceFrog 11/01/23 9:06:50 AM #60: |
Obellisk posted...
There is no excusable reason to vote republican.Agreed 100%, and with what others have said. But surely you can empathize with "wow the guy i voted for is apparently cool with the torture and mass murder of civilians. That doesn't make me feel very warm and fuzzy whatsoever." --- ~Peaf~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Obellisk 11/01/23 9:35:18 AM #61: |
yeah sure, empathy.
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Thorn 11/01/23 10:29:26 AM #62: |
andel posted...
inexplicably hawley is right about this and it is almost unbelievable that he supports the right position here. corporate money should be out of politics and it's weird for me to agree with an insurrectionist that deserves to be in prison, but defeating citizens united is one of the most important things in saving democracy ironically enough.i feel like when you find yourself having the thought "hawley is right" you need to stop and examine exactly what he is doing. Because this is a stunt. On several levels. First, Citizens United was ruled on First Amendment grounds. The only way you overturn it is if SCOTUS changes its mind or a constitutional amendment. Hawley, who clerked for Roberts, should know this. Hawley claims he thinks there's an "originalist" reason to think it's unconstitutional but not only is originalism not serious and just code for "let the conservatives on the court do what they want" but a less extreme SCOTUS clearly decided "nah fuck that" so one can only imagine this current one would just strike such a law down without even thinking. Second, let's suppose SCOTUS changes its mind - I don't know, maybe the conservatives are all out dining on an undisclosed yacht trip with the guys that will argue before them next term and the liberals sneak one by. Or the legal papers get lost in the mail and never arrive at the building so the case can't start. What Hawley is proposing is very narrow here and is not in any way overturning Citizens United. Fucking Citizens United - the plaintiff that the case is named after - would not be affected by this legislation because they are considered a nonprofit. Know what else are nonprofits? The SuperPACs that can hide their donor list so they can flood dark money into the system with no one knowing where it came from. The organization that spent the most on the entire 2022 midterms? One Nation $53.5m to McConnell's Senate Leadership Fund. One Nation is a non-profit and so would be unaffected by this. Honestly, I can't quite tell if this is some cynical play to seem like a populist and maybe get some people who would otherwise want nothing to do with him go, "But hey... he's got a good idea here maybe he's not as bad as I thought..." or put up a fake fight with "the deep state/establishment." Or if this is just about petty revenge because many companies that would fall under this bill (again assuming SCOTUS is asleep at the wheel and doesn't just kill it while laughing) are ones that actually stopped contributing to him after January 6. tl;dr: Hawley's bill would get struck down because you can't overturn SCOTUS with a law - you need a constitutional amendment. And since he clerked for Roberts he should know this. But even if you ignore that, it's not even overturning Citizens United, he leaves in place the ability for the rich to flood elections with dark money (including the very Citizens United the case is named after!) It's a cynical stunt. https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article281261213.html https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/deadline-legal-blog/josh-hawley-citizens-united-bill-rcna123031 --- May you find your book in this place. Formerly known as xp1337. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AriaOfBolo 11/01/23 11:07:11 AM #63: |
swordz9 posted...
If the Rs get full control you probably wont even have human rights anymore I am aware of this. Other people in the world CURRENTLY don't have human rights. How does one balance a current full swing genocide against others, against a gearing up genocide against oneself? I feel like the greater good is to focus on what's worst right now. I probably don't survive a Trump presidency, so you're not telling me anything new. It's my own self-interest versus people that have it even worse (but who, on the other hand, I have even less ability to help with my vote) like there's a point where "lesser of two evils" "blue no matter who" rhetoric really gets hard to swallow, and for me that point is approximately "big fan of genocide, just less than the other guy, and not pointed specifically at you." Especially when it's not like the dems have been super great champions of my rights anyway, it's like a 50-50 any time it comes up whether they'll actually try to do anything. The bar is underground for the establishment dems and they are still struggling to clear it. I'm also not sure where people got out of that that I'd vote red >_> I'll take Biden over Trump any day, no-brainer, but I'm getting really tired of playing along with a system that will never give us a better option than that. I also don't live in a swing state, nothing I do here beyond the local scale matters beyond sending a message. Is that message "I'm desperate enough to overlook that whole thing" or "I'm mad enough to vote against myself" (for like Omar or no vote or something, I don't even know) I am very desperate and very mad and trying to figure out what the right thing to do even IS. --- New name, new gender, same great Bolo flavor! She is messy, but she's kind; she is lonely, most of the time ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightningStrikes 11/01/23 11:40:20 AM #64: |
This is probably a good point to mention that Biden, while very very different domestically, has not pulled back from Trump-era foreign policy nearly as much as expected. Case in point, the US embassy to Israel is still in Jerusalem and the US still recognises Jerusalem as Israels capital. That is hugely significant. In general theres been a really disappointing turn away from foreign engagement across western democracies, its not just a US thing, and its let bad actors take hold whether that be Russian influence in Africa or the far-right in Israel. This inwards-looking foreign policy consensus is getting people killed.
On the other hand, Trump was probably even worse abroad than he was domestically (makes sense given the powers of a President) and did much more damage than Biden has of course. Its just wild that there was not more de-Trumpification of foreign policy. --- I just decided to change this sig. Blaaaaaaargh azuarc ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dancedreamer 11/01/23 11:41:12 AM #65: |
AriaOfBolo posted...
I'm also not sure where people got out of that that I'd vote red >_> I'll take Biden over Trump any day, no-brainer, but I'm getting really tired of playing along with a system that will never give us a better option than that. I mean we'll never get better options until the worst option has to change to be better to appeal to people. Like what other options are there even out there? The libertarian party, which is just as bad as Republicans and in some ways worse. The only difference is they're okay with weed. The green party has no interest in winning any elections. --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dancedreamer 11/01/23 11:52:15 AM #66: |
LightningStrikes posted...
This is probably a good point to mention that Biden, while very very different domestically, has not pulled back from Trump-era foreign policy nearly as much as expected. Case in point, the US embassy to Israel is still in Jerusalem and the US still recognises Jerusalem as Israels capital. That is hugely significant. In general theres been a really disappointing turn away from foreign engagement across western democracies, its not just a US thing, and its let bad actors take hold whether that be Russian influence in Africa or the far-right in Israel. This inwards-looking foreign policy consensus is getting people killed. I feel like this is all a lot more complicated than we're giving credit to. Because every President before Trump (dating back to Clinton) basically promised to recognize Jerusalem as the capital, and then backtracked on it. Trump went ahead and did it, because he didn't care about the consequences. I believe you'd have to overturn the Jerusalem Embassy Act, which passed in 1995, to really do anything. And I don't imagine that's going to happen anytime soon. --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra ... Copied to Clipboard!
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swordz9 11/01/23 12:01:04 PM #67: |
The sad reality is we dont have many options or much ability to do anything about it. All you can do is not vote for the fascist party sadly. Nothing will ever get better in America as long as corporations can keep buying politicians/judges, the news stays mostly right wing owned and can lie about whatever it wants with little to no consequence and as long as the Rs constantly keep fighting any positive changes for Americans because it displeases their corporate daddies. I dunno how much longer Americans can put up with it all though. Prices alone are already high enough Im amazed there isnt mass looting for food going on ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AriaOfBolo 11/01/23 12:26:30 PM #68: |
Dancedreamer posted...
I mean we'll never get better options until the worst option has to change to be better to appeal to people. I mean that's kinda my point, that doesn't happen unless we reject the options given, and THAT probably doesn't happen by voting blue no matter who. If I lived in a swing state I'd be more likely to suck it up and strat-vote straight D, but the silver lining of my vote being superfluous is that I can use it to protest vote without handing things to the R --- New name, new gender, same great Bolo flavor! She is messy, but she's kind; she is lonely, most of the time ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Obellisk 11/01/23 12:29:02 PM #69: |
I have to believe that if we weren't still up against Donald Trump that perhaps the democratic party would discuss replacing an aging Joe Biden.
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Dancedreamer 11/01/23 12:32:16 PM #70: |
Obellisk posted...
I have to believe that if we weren't still up against Donald Trump that perhaps the democratic party would discuss replacing an aging Joe Biden. I feel like if we weren't up against a Republican party that was essentially seeking to destroy America, Joe Biden wouldn't have been the candidate in the first place. --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Obellisk 11/01/23 12:39:28 PM #71: |
Dancedreamer posted...
I feel like if we weren't up against a Republican party that was essentially seeking to destroy America, Joe Biden wouldn't have been the candidate in the first place. I still don't understand why Joe Biden was the best line of defense in the first place. But here we are... --- (\____/) ( SBell ) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dancedreamer 11/01/23 12:42:15 PM #72: |
Obellisk posted...
I still don't understand why Joe Biden was the best line of defense in the first place. But here we are... White suburban families. --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Thorn 11/01/23 12:44:00 PM #73: |
Moving the Democratic (or Republican, for that matter) party is something you can do in primaries (i.e. voting for someone like AOC instead of a rep like Cuellar.) And it does affect change. Congresspeople like that (or Fetterman, etc.) winning in the primaries and then getting elected change the composition of the party and move the direction they go in.
The idea that someone like Schumer would be calling for student debt loan forgiveness 10 years ago was laughable... until enough progressives were elected that the voices weren't just coming from activists to the party... but also increasingly from inside (the metaphorical) house as well and they took notice. It's just generally a slow and frustrating process and you're almost certainly not going to change a party overnight/in an election cycle - it's a constant effort with no clearly defined finish line where you can declare mission accomplished. But once you're at the general election stage of an election I feel that withholding your vote as a protest is generally counterproductive. Because the lesson I feel the party takes is "well we should have moved further to the right instead to fight for those 'swing' voters." So you end up pushing the party the wrong way. --- May you find your book in this place. Formerly known as xp1337. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightningStrikes 11/01/23 12:47:14 PM #74: |
If the Republicans put up a moderate (by Republican standards) candidate against Biden, he would be toast. However they are not going to do that, because they are the Republicans.
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Xeybozn 11/01/23 12:49:54 PM #75: |
Dancedreamer posted...
White suburban families. Yes, all those white suburban families who won the South Carolina primary for Biden, thus guaranteeing he'd get all the anti-Sanders support going forward. --- Congrats to 2020 GotD Guru champ azuarc! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightningStrikes 11/01/23 12:56:18 PM #76: |
States not all doing their primaries at the same time is bizarre. Also, Im surprised theres not more of a race to go first.
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Dancedreamer 11/01/23 1:02:35 PM #77: |
Xeybozn posted...
Yes, all those white suburban families who won the South Carolina primary for Biden, thus guaranteeing he'd get all the anti-Sanders support going forward. Where Biden beat Hillary was in the suburbs. --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Thorn 11/01/23 1:02:41 PM #78: |
LightningStrikes posted...
States not all doing their primaries at the same time is bizarre.The (stated) reason is that because if you did it that way you would essentially destroy the chances of anyone who doesn't have enough money to basically run ads nationwide, including some really expensive media markets or happen to have name recognition to overcome that somehow. I don't think it's the worst idea - certainly on the list of issues with how elections are run here it's very low on the list, if on it at all. As an example, if you did this in 2008 - I imagine Hillary beats Obama easily, because Obama's campaign was able to build momentum in the early states. If Obama had to basically run a national campaign because they were all the same day across the country I think he'd be overpowered by Hillary's name ID. Obviously no way to check this of course. LightningStrikes posted... Also, Im surprised theres not more of a race to go first.The parties can basically dictate this - and have/are - by punishing any state that cuts in line by simply not counting that state's results (or penalizing them so they count, but less than they would have otherwise). It's actually going to be tested a bit this time around IIRC. After Iowa was a complete shitshow I think they got kicked down the schedule by the DNC so they're now later. And I think one or more states actually has a state law on the books stating they must go first and there's gonna be a clash between those. The issue with the system as it has been is that Iowa and NH have been the first ones and those are both more white and rural than the country as a whole. I think for the Democrats, Illinois would be the most representative of the party demographically, but yeah. (Also more expensive because Chicago's media market I assume) --- May you find your book in this place. Formerly known as xp1337. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dancedreamer 11/01/23 1:08:12 PM #79: |
I feel like more weight should go to swing states for both parties. I mean if you want to win, you need those swing states, not the deep red or deep blue states, right? Seems weird to me that nobody does that. Republicans just pick the most extreme candidate who promises to lop off the heads of liberals. And Democrats just pick the most milquetoast candidate who promises to maybe think about doing something about healthcare if time permits.
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Xeybozn 11/01/23 1:23:54 PM #80: |
Dancedreamer posted...
I feel like more weight should go to swing states for both parties. I mean if you want to win, you need those swing states, not the deep red or deep blue states, right? Seems weird to me that nobody does that. Yeah, but just openly saying "only swing states get meaningful votes in the primary" would be awful optics. The compromise would probably be to pick swing states for the early primaries that narrow the field, but there just aren't that many small swing states to choose from (especially if you want each region of the US to be included). --- Congrats to 2020 GotD Guru champ azuarc! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LinkMarioSamus 11/01/23 1:33:09 PM #81: |
I seriously think Biden should order a nation-wide survey on who thinks the 2020 election was rigged in his favor. Republicans who vote no will get disowned by their own party while everyone who votes yes should get herded to the gas chamber. Win-win!
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PeaceFrog 11/01/23 1:35:28 PM #82: |
Please don't ever make that kind of joke, lms. I might despise Republicans but that doesn't mean we should be light hearted about that there genocide.
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HaRRicH 11/01/23 1:41:35 PM #83: |
My thought's to have two states be "first" at the same time with rather different demographics, then the third state can be a swing state.
It makes politicians focus more nationally from the beginning while still having flexibility on where they want to focus more for those two first states if they prefer. Demographics can feel better represented if it's not like North and South Dakota or Oregon and Washington. Having a swing state be the third state doesn't feel too much like pandering while still being a solid step in separating the trees from the twigs so to speak. The loss here though is it would be a bit harder for new/unproven campaigns to get their first win if two states are at play to begin instead of one...but with two states being first, you can go all in on one state while your opponent may be aiming for both states. Not a perfect idea, but maybe helpful. --- O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK! https://i.imgur.com/OpudFxm.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LinkMarioSamus 11/01/23 1:48:33 PM #84: |
PeaceFrog posted...
Please don't ever make that kind of joke, lms. I might despise Republicans but that doesn't mean we should be light hearted about that there genocide. So is the Republican Party that much of a cult? It's not genocide of people for their politics, it's genocide of people for holding genuinely harmful views. Not going to lie, the only other two people in the world I wish would just drop dead now are Harvey Weinstein and Vladmir Putin. --- Why do people act like the left is the party of social justice crusaders? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AriaOfBolo 11/01/23 1:54:09 PM #85: |
PeaceFrog posted...
Please don't ever make that kind of joke, lms. I might despise Republicans but that doesn't mean we should be light hearted about that there genocide. --- New name, new gender, same great Bolo flavor! She is messy, but she's kind; she is lonely, most of the time ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dancedreamer 11/01/23 1:56:18 PM #86: |
Yeah, let's not joke about genocide.
A lot of Republican voters have been brainwashed by the media, by their friends and family, by their religion. And even those that haven't shouldn't be murdered. --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightningStrikes 11/01/23 2:05:24 PM #87: |
*Points at topic title*
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LinkMarioSamus 11/01/23 2:46:33 PM #88: |
Dancedreamer posted...
Yeah, let's not joke about genocide. Fine, I give up. --- Why do people act like the left is the party of social justice crusaders? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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red_sox_777 11/01/23 2:59:05 PM #89: |
LMS, please think through what you are saying before posting.
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Sheep007 11/01/23 3:16:10 PM #90: |
Dancedreamer posted...
I feel like more weight should go to swing states for both parties. I mean if you want to win, you need those swing states, not the deep red or deep blue states, right? Seems weird to me that nobody does that. Republicans just pick the most extreme candidate who promises to lop off the heads of liberals. And Democrats just pick the most milquetoast candidate who promises to maybe think about doing something about healthcare if time permits.The swing states are targeted most by advertising, but the primaries are still (in comparison) a bit more difficult to put out feelers for, especially so far in advance of the election and policy decisions. Now, when it comes to actually voting, swing states (and particularly swing demographics with the rise in social media advertising) are overwhelmingly targeted. It ain't even a competition, financially. --- Perhaps the golden rock was inside us all along. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightningStrikes 11/01/23 3:20:58 PM #91: |
LMS got suspended again. Is that like four warnings/suspensions in the last two topics?
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NFUN 11/01/23 3:48:21 PM #92: |
I'm very surprised that they suspended lms for doing again the thing he got suspend for some months ago
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PeaceFrog 11/01/23 4:06:32 PM #93: |
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1719788747292623010
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Dancedreamer 11/01/23 4:20:14 PM #94: |
Somehow it's okay for him to say that. But if someone replaced "Palestinian" with "Israeli" there would be no end of howls of anti-semitism (and rightly so, but there are no howls of anti-arab here.)
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LightningStrikes 11/01/23 4:26:25 PM #95: |
Also my guy ever hear about the bombing of Dresden?
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NFUN 11/01/23 4:28:56 PM #96: |
so it goes
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Thorn 11/01/23 5:38:54 PM #97: |
House plans to hold a vote on expelling Santos tonight.
Needs 2/3s to expel him. Assuming full attendance that would make the number needed 289. Further assuming all 212 Dems are there, you'd need 77 Republicans. Even further assuming that the other 9 NY GOP reps vote him out (pretty sure the other 3 LI ones will for sure) he'd still need 68 other Republicans to vote to expel. Their new Speaker has said he shouldn't be expelled without first "getting his day in court" (ignoring everything else about Santos) so I'm guessing they fall in line to defend him. --- May you find your book in this place. Formerly known as xp1337. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Thorn 11/01/23 7:52:45 PM #98: |
Santos Expulsion Vote:
Fails, as expected: 179-213 (19 present) (Needed 262 to expel) 24 GOP vote to expel (4 present) 31 Dems vote to not expel (15 present) Not sure why the Dems who voted to not expel him did so. Even if all the Dem nos and present voted expel the resolution to expel would have failed but as it is Santos got a majority to stay. A little before that they also voted on MTG's censure resolution against Tlaib which was also defeated. 23 GOP reps joined the Dems to kill it. --- May you find your book in this place. Formerly known as xp1337. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Obellisk 11/01/23 7:59:46 PM #99: |
what an amazing time to be alive.
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PeaceFrog 11/01/23 8:04:51 PM #100: |
Thorn posted...
31 Dems vote to not expel (15 present)... why --- ~Peaf~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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