Board 8 > MCU General 15 - Loki S2, The Marvels, Echo

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shame there were so many worse entries for this to happen to =/

if they pull back on Young Avengers I'mma rage-quit MCU

Jeez, I don't get why it was this movie of all movies that people finally just had no interest in. It's a shame, because almost everyone here seems to agree that it was pretty decent. Honestly it's probably my third favorite post-Endgame MCU movie after GotG3 and NWH.

Man, I dunno what they could have done differently here honestly. I do think too much money is spent on making these movies and there has to be a way to cut down on it. But I don't know. This movie hardly seems like the movie that should have bombed as hard as it did, but I think it's a symptom of a relatively directionless MCU right now.

Yeah, Kang is on the horizon, but we have no Avengers team, nothing cohesive about the multiverse stuff, and there's a couple of team ups, but it really feels like the MCU is just directionless right now with characters having their own little arcs and different stories. I think some things were carrying these films lately. Nostalgia bait, for one, probably helped elevate interest. Or the finality of the Guardians movie. But without either of those things for Captain Marvel, it kind of makes sense that it failed.

I don't think people are as jazzed for multiverse stuff either. Which vibes with me right now too. And the direction of multiverse BS isn't what a want or need for any of these films going forward, but that's all we're getting. Meh.

Man, looking at the biggest box office bombs of all time Disney has 4 films in the top 5. They really know how to go down with a bang.

Then again there's a chance The Marvels might rebound nearer to Christmas. If Wonka and Aquaman 2 don't find an audience people might decide to give it a try just to have something.

I wonder how much two of the three leads debuting in Disney+ shows affected things (and some people might have thought they needed to see Secret Invasion too).

I do feel like there's probably a lot of people who feel like they need to see the Disney+ shows first, so they won't see it in the theater and wait until it comes out on Disney+ as well and just watch it then. I know that's what happened with my mom until I assured her that she didn't need to see Ms Marvel or Secret Invasion or whatever.

GANON1025 posted...

Currently, the record is held by either John Carter or The Flash.

Absolutely does not deserve to be in this group.

I dont think The Flash is on that level. $270 million on a $200 million budget. The $200 million losses were early projections based on a much higher estimated budget and lower estimated take, its probably not that bad, but still terrible. The Marvels is looking at about a $220 million final gross on a $200 million budget, worse than The Flash. John Carter was $284 million on a $264 million budget. So that still wins, with The Marvels a respectable second. The Flash can float off into simply being a big bomb.

Paratroopa1 posted...

Jeez, I don't get why it was this movie of all movies that people finally just had no interest in. It's a shame, because almost everyone here seems to agree that it was pretty decent. Honestly it's probably my third favorite post-Endgame MCU movie after GotG3 and NWH.

It really isn't surprising. Monica Rambeau and Kamala Khan are not big draws. I barely remember who the first person is and I was pretty lukewarm on Ms. Marvel (though I like the character and the actor). I can't imagine a person who hasn't seen the Disney plus stuff being interested at all. The quality of the movie doesn't really matter when it's pitched so poorly. Maybe if there was a pressing cliffhanger, but right now I don't even know what the MCU is actually building towards.

Edit: As far as what Marvel could have done differently, my big plan post Endgame was to have Captain Marvel 2 introduce Nova and build toward an Annihilation movie that would eventually introduce the FF and X-Men (who have been trapped in the M'Kraan Crystal and wiped from the universe's memory since 1960). But no, let's continue the multiverse nonsense instead.

Magneto should have been introduced murdering the Inhumans because they won't join him.

https://people.com/jonathan-majors-appears-to-admit-physically-attacking-ex-grace-jabbari-in-text-messages-entered-into-evidence-8413470

I'm pretty confident now in saying that we've seen the last of Jonathan Majors in an MCU project, guilty or not-guilty.

Damn, well fuck that guy then. I was holding out hope he wasn't an abuser and that they just had a toxic relationship, but fuck that guy.

He who doesn't remain

Yeah, that dude's done.

Realizing the tone deafness of what I'm about to say, but this might be a blessing for Marvel. It gives them an excuse to perhaps drop Kang entirely and pivot away from all the multiverse bullshit.

I don't know how you just handwave the whole thing away though

Other than rewriting the ending in Loki Season 2

Again, I don't see how recasting in any way affects the character of Kang.

Leonhart4 posted...

I don't know how you just handwave the whole thing away though

Other than rewriting the ending in Loki Season 2

Nah the ending actually works because the entire TVA exists solely to hunt down Kang variants so you could just say he's no longer a threat.

Man nothing about how this has played out made any sense from a legal standpoint. That said, this feels pretty damning. Just re-cast him though. People are blaming Kang for why the MCU is in a tailspin but it's really not him. If anything, an Avengers movie where they just wrap up the Kang stuff will only help strengthen the MCU.

my mind wanting to at least tap Boyega in for Iron Lad, then I realize he's actually just 3 years younger than Majors woah

i guess star wars was years ago now

scarletspeed7 posted...

Again, I don't see how recasting in any way affects the character of Kang.

it affects it in the way that majors was actually a pretty good actor and I liked his performance (in Loki at least)

Recasting is always awkward, especially for a prominent character, because the characters all have to act like it's the same guy but it's clearly someone different, but the MCU has done it before, so I'd imagine that's what will happen.

Yeah recasting is a pretty easy thing overall, and the MCU has already done it with Bruce Banner and Rhodey already.

it only sucks in this case in particular because Majors is a really good actor and a very good fit for the role

you can tell how good of an actor he is by how good he was at pretending to be a likeable guy

Johnbobb posted...

you can tell how good of an actor he is by how good he was at pretending to be a likeable guy

Lol

LeonhartFour posted...

Recasting is always awkward, especially for a prominent character, because the characters all have to act like it's the same guy but it's clearly someone different, but the MCU has done it before, so I'd imagine that's what will happen.

The difference with Kang though is that he comes with a built-in excuse for why he is now someone different.

Hell, they could even pull a Sylvie and recast him as a woman!

I read somewhere that Majors got Marvel to include a bit in his contract that said that he is the only one allowed to play Kang or any variants. Not sure if that's true or not

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/3ede2caa.jpg

ZenOfThunder posted...

I read somewhere that Majors got Marvel to include a bit in his contract that said that he is the only one allowed to play Kang or any variants. Not sure if that's true or not

If that's true I'm sure that contract has some ways out for Disney considering the circumstance.

colliding posted...

it affects it in the way that majors was actually a pretty good actor and I liked his performance (in Loki at least)

Damn, you're right. Recasting him would ruin your opinion of his performance in Loki.

Recasting Kang makes his character better imo considering what the character concept is

Don't really think Kang is to blame for anything with the recent MCU woes either. Unless the feeling is we need someone more present and Thanos being background in his build was a thing from a bygone Era.

Unless people are blaming it on Multiverse obsession and saying that's Kang's fault?

I dunno I just don't think it has anything to do with Kang as much as a lack of build/cohesion in the films.

redrocket posted...

The difference with Kang though is that he comes with a built-in excuse for why he is now someone different.

Hell, they could even pull a Sylvie and recast him as a woman!

Aside from the insanely toxic diatribes we could get over this, I actually love the idea of woman Kang coming in.

skullbone posted...

If that's true I'm sure that contract has some ways out for Disney considering the circumstance.

I'm sure a behavior clause gives Disney complete power here.

scarletspeed7 posted...

Aside from the insanely toxic diatribes we could get over this, I actually love the idea of woman Kang coming in.

Not that I personally like the idea, but Loki s2 had people theorizing that Renslayer is already that.

(me not wanting that is because god damn it'd be annoying for every female variant to be the designated romance option variant)

Lopen posted...

Recasting Kang makes his character better imo considering what the character concept is

Don't really think Kang is to blame for anything with the recent MCU woes either. Unless the feeling is we need someone more present and Thanos being background in his build was a thing from a bygone Era.

Unless people are blaming it on Multiverse obsession and saying that's Kang's fault?

I dunno I just don't think it has anything to do with Kang as much as a lack of build/cohesion in the films.

Well, yeah, it's the lack of build/cohesion issue, not anything to do with Kang. But multiverse and Kang are tied together at this point, unless there's another villain that could take his place. I'm not super familiar with the comics, so I don't have any real idea.

I'm fine with a recasting, if they want to stick with this direction though. I'm just not sure if they're going to be able to pull off the larger, overarching plot though, especially since it seems completely missing at the moment.

Seanchan posted...

Well, yeah, it's the lack of build/cohesion issue, not anything to do with Kang. But multiverse and Kang are tied together at this point, unless there's another villain that could take his place. I'm not super familiar with the comics, so I don't have any real idea.

Kang's character can easily be recast as a different basically anyone by the very nature of his origin is kinda the point.

I actually don't see any problem with KANG nor the multiverse stuff. I feel like people have to have a problem with the multiverse stuff to have a problem with him though, right?

I thought Kang was shit in Ant-Man because the movie does nothing but have random nobodies talk about how threatening he is for the whole runtime before he finally shows up and gets chumped

Loki 2 tho I was back to enjoying his presence, so if they just stop writing him like Poochie I'm cool

bump

currently rewatching: spider-man homecoming. not a good rewatch. I still think it's the best of the holland movies though.

i was very sour on Far From Home on rewatch. Mysterio is great but the rest of the movie is not as fun as I remembered

the rose colored glasses have come off

I haven't seen Far From Home since I watched it in theaters, but Homecoming is still a good time.

Far from home would be good if not for the last battle sequence. Spidey fighting a bunch of frisbee drones isn't interesting.

All three MCU Spider-man movies are still top tier. I found Homecoming in particular even better on re-watch than the initial viewing.

Next on the rewatch: Thor Ragnarok

Goldblum still carries. The visual design is still top tier. Love the use of Led Zep.

However, on this rewatch I was really bothered by the treatment of Vollstag and the other warriors, who are cruelly and immediately one-shotted by Hela in a way that felt cheap and unearned before, but now feels extremely lazy. Maybe it benefited on release from being so different from the first two and it feeling slightly more weird and original than standard superhero fare.

I used to have this in A tier but I think it's B tier now

I still miss the old Asgard universe and aesthetic. New Asgard is just a lame punchline and so many more times less interesting.

Having Executioner without Enchantress was a weird choice though. Not having Enchantress at all, especially in a movie called Love and Thunder, is just wild.

No way they were putting enchantress in after suicide squad

colliding posted...

However, on this rewatch I was really bothered by the treatment of Vollstag and the other warriors, who are cruelly and immediately one-shotted by Hela in a way that felt cheap and unearned before, but now feels extremely lazy.

That really bothered me the first time I saw it. I was excited for Ragnarock because more Asgard meant potentially more of the fun Asgard side characters, mainly the Warriors Three. And then they just got insultingly killed off.

There's no time in these movies to flesh out even more characters. Especially side characters that are essentially red shirts for 99% of the audience.