Current Events > Been watching the roommate play KH2. It looks like shit tbqh

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I have always seen praise for it and don't understand why. Seems waaaaay worse than 1.

• Dialogue is much worse by an order of magnitude. Especially everyone involved with Organization 13
• The pacing is the worst I've ever seen in a game. Everybody knows the intro is bad but even once you escape it's still terrible.

Like when you get to Hollow Bastion, you go to Merlins for 5 seconds > go into Poohs world for 10 seconds > back to merlins for 1 fight > back to poohs world. Then back out AGAIN after like 2 minutes.

• They expanded the gummy system which nobody asked for
• More gimmick sections like the carpet sections of agrabah. And personally Atlantis in 1 was way better as an awkward swimming level than a high-school musical level
• Like half the new levels are mostly empty space (Mulan having an empty capital during the ending was mega cringe). Pride Lands is 95% emptiness. Expanding Olympus was dope but it was mostly just empty black caverns
• The expanded combat stuff is the only upside I'm seeing and even that is mostly just QTEs.

What the hell am I missing here?

The story is really stupid in 2. They went way off the rails

WizardPowers posted...

What the hell am I missing here?

Nothing, 1 was the superior game.

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She's playing the ps4 final mix version. I'm not impressed. She did get access to a lot of abilities early one which I think was a great addition

WizardPowers posted...

She's playing the ps4 final mix version. I'm not impressed. She did get access to a lot of abilities early one which I think was a great addition

Pics?

Ok alt account

Yeah but DARKNESS

A decade and a half later KH2:FM is still one of the best character action games released.

Oh God and parts where you have to lead characters like Minnie down the hallway and protect them

KajeI posted...

A decade and a half later KH2:FM is still one of the best character action games released.

Like how? When does it get better? She's on her second visit to every level and it still seems awful. Level 40ish

KajeI posted...

A decade and a half later KH2:FM is still one of the best character action games released.

i replayed kh2 prior to kh3 release and had a super annoying time with it. enemies had this tendency of bouncing you off them or doing things to make you chase them. it was a compilation or something so i can't remember which version of kh2 it was. but i did not like it. wish i left my positive memory of it in the past, but i'm no longer a fan.

Eh, I'd say the dialogue is about the same. Just more heart mumbo jumbo.

I don't get how your example in Hollow Bastion is bad pacing. It's essentially one cutscene across 2 areas and why it happens is very simple to understand.

The rest I kinda agree with, but also don't think are significant flaws.

WizardPowers posted...

Like how? When does it get better? She's on her second visit to every level and it still seems awful. Level 40ish

You have to actually invest the time/effort to dig into its mechanics, which the game never really forces you to do if you're playing casually. It's combat and bosses are beautifully designed in so many ways, it shits all over KH1 and only KH3 begins to come close to matching it. You're not going to notice it playing casually mashing square with the occasional reaction command or whatever because that experience is basically the same in both (except KH1's physics are disgusting to play when you go back to it from KH2 or KH3), it's proves its dominance when you try to speedrun it or do challenge runs like Level 1 Critical where it really gets to flex how deep it can be and how well balanced all your options are against each other, which isn't a common thing in gaming period (especially not from around its release), let alone character action games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYdFpv9Ay7o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVjf3bc3Noo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tQB6_T6Wfk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Fd2iLSuONI

KH2:FM is still widely regarded as the peak of the series gameplay wise and for good reason. I think KH3 isn't that far off despite all the hate it gets, but they knocked it out of the park with KH2 on that front.

KeeperOfShadows posted...

I don't get how your example in Hollow Bastion is bad pacing. It's essentially one cutscene across 2 areas and why it happens is very simple to understand.

Because it keeps you from playing the game. I'm not saying it doesn't make sense, it's just a waste of time and jerks you around multiple levels instead of just letting you play one of them. They easily could have conveyed the same information with fewer transitions

KajeI posted...

You have to actually invest the time/effort to dig into its mechanics, which the game never really forces you to do if you're playing casually. It's combat and bosses are beautifully designed in so many ways, it shits all over KH1 and only KH3 begins to come close to matching it. You're not going to notice it playing casually mashing square with the occasional reaction command or whatever because that experience is basically the same in both (except KH1's physics are disgusting to play when you go back to it from KH2 or KH3), it's proves its dominance when you try to speedrun it or do challenge runs like Level 1 Critical where it really gets to flex how deep it can be and how well balanced all your options are against each other.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYdFpv9Ay7o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVjf3bc3Noo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tQB6_T6Wfk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Fd2iLSuONI

Interesting. Thanks I'll check these out.

KH1 is honestly the only KH worth playing IMO, saying that as someone whos played pretty much the whole series up to KH3.

WizardPowers posted...

Interesting. Thanks I'll check these out.

Also this but only after the second vid I linked: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4TEk8zW50M

pauIie posted...

i replayed kh2 prior to kh3 release and had a super annoying time with it. enemies had this tendency of bouncing you off them or doing things to make you chase them.

Sounds like you weren't using magic much if at all.