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Zikten 02/26/24 12:32:57 PM #1:	https://youtu.be/HIs9x49DK7I?si=8DiW_OSLRSqYaTqC Remake of a 1980s TV mini series, which in turn was based on a famous novel. I think the plot is a British guy in the 1600s washes up on a Japanese beach after surviving a shipwreck. People say the 80s mini series was a masterpiece still remembered today. And the makers of this remake are trying to live up to its legacy <cite>Zikten posted [p:979053033] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>https://youtu.be/HIs9x49DK7I?si=8DiW_OSLRSqYaTqCRemake of a 1980s TV mini series, which in turn was based on a famous novel. I think the plot is a British guy in the 1600s washes up on a Japanese beach after surviving a shipwreck. People say the 80s mini series was a masterpiece still remembered today. And the makers of this remake are trying to live up to its legacy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metal_Gear_Raxis 02/26/24 12:36:24 PM #2:	Basically, it's about an English ship pilot ending up in Japan during a period of Civil turmoil, and he ends up getting roped into the plot of a high ranking Samurai warlord's efforts to reunify the country, while also dealing with Spanish catholics attempting to kill him (the Englishman) and bring the country under Catholicism. --- As the morning sun rises, my lingering memories fade. I no longer see your silhouette. It's too far gone into the haze. <cite>Metal_Gear_Raxis posted [p:979053112] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>Basically, it's about an English ship pilot ending up in Japan during a period of Civil turmoil, and he ends up getting roped into the plot of a high ranking Samurai warlord's efforts to reunify the country, while also dealing with Spanish catholics attempting to kill him (the Englishman) and bring the country under Catholicism. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
solosnake 02/26/24 3:26:03 PM #3:	Id be far more interested if it didnt try to shoehorn a white dude into it as a main star. --- "We would have no NBA possibly if they got rid of all the flopping." ~ Dwyane Wade <cite>solosnake posted [p:979056302] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>Id be far more interested if it didnt try to shoehorn a white dude into it as a main star. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 02/26/24 3:28:04 PM #4:	solosnake posted... Id be far more interested if it didnt try to shoehorn a white dude into it as a main star. That's literally the whole plot though --- (He/Him) I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:979056332] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>solosnake posted... </cite><quote>Id be far more interested if it didnt try to shoehorn a white dude into it as a main star.</quote>That's literally the whole plot though </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthCommodus 02/26/24 3:29:27 PM #5:	solosnake posted... Id be far more interested if it didnt try to shoehorn a white dude into it as a main star. Yeah. I'm white, and it's not a racial thing, I just wish they would not feel the need to do that. I understand that there WERE Europeans in Japan at various points, so I get that. I just get a bit tired of the whole Dances With Wolves shtick. I'd love a series on someone like Oda Nobunaga or Ii Naomasa. Reading about them, their lives seem fascinating. <cite>DarthCommodus posted [p:979056349] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>solosnake posted... </cite><quote>Id be far more interested if it didnt try to shoehorn a white dude into it as a main star.</quote>Yeah. I'm white, and it's not a racial thing, I just wish they would not feel the need to do that. I understand that there WERE Europeans in Japan at various points, so I get that. I just get a bit tired of the whole Dances With Wolves shtick.I'd love a series on someone like Oda Nobunaga or Ii Naomasa. Reading about them, their lives seem fascinating.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ItsNotA2Mer 02/26/24 3:36:48 PM #6:	solosnake posted... Id be far more interested if it didnt try to shoehorn a white dude into it as a main star. So, safe to assume you didn't read the book? --- It is impossible to live in the past, difficult to live in the present, and a waste to live in the future. (He/Him). <cite>ItsNotA2Mer posted [p:979056468] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>solosnake posted... </cite><quote>Id be far more interested if it didnt try to shoehorn a white dude into it as a main star.</quote>So, safe to assume you didn't read the book? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smackems 02/26/24 3:37:33 PM #7:	solosnake posted... Id be far more interested if it didnt try to shoehorn a white dude into it as a main star. Lmao --- Common sense says it may not taste good, but it'll make a turd. <cite>Smackems posted [p:979056483] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>solosnake posted... </cite><quote>Id be far more interested if it didnt try to shoehorn a white dude into it as a main star.</quote>Lmao </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mario2000 02/26/24 3:37:56 PM #8:	solosnake posted... Id be far more interested if it didnt try to shoehorn a white dude into it as a main star. did you forget to add /s --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:979056489] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>solosnake posted... </cite><quote>Id be far more interested if it didnt try to shoehorn a white dude into it as a main star.</quote>did you forget to add /s </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Westernwolf4 02/26/24 3:38:57 PM #9:	I am excited about this, and the reviews so far have been great. --- An opinion does not turn into a fact simply because the person holding it feels strongly about it. <cite>Westernwolf4 posted [p:979056503] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>I am excited about this, and the reviews so far have been great. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
vycebrand2 02/26/24 3:47:33 PM #10:	ItsNotA2Mer posted... So, safe to assume you didn't read the book? Or know their history. They had priests visit and the Japanese tried to tamp down teaching of Christianity. They stayed about 2 years were pretty much prisoners then went home. The priests sailed around the world pretty much. They ended up back in spain I believe. --- I was born when she kissed me. I died when she left me. I lived a few weeks while she loved me- <cite>vycebrand2 posted [p:979056629] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>ItsNotA2Mer posted... </cite><quote>So, safe to assume you didn't read the book?</quote>Or know their history. They had priests visit and the Japanese tried to tamp down teaching of Christianity. They stayed about 2 years were pretty much prisoners then went home. The priests sailed around the world pretty much. They ended up back in spain I believe. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hitokoriX 02/26/24 4:06:38 PM #11:	I read the book A LONG TIME ago... i bet they change some scenes lol. Particularly with the young boy. --- Would you follow a blind man? I would if I was in the dark <cite>hitokoriX posted [p:979056945] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>I read the book A LONG TIME ago... i bet they change some scenes lol. Particularly with the young boy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nocturnal_traveler 02/26/24 4:11:48 PM #12:	solosnake posted... Id be far more interested if it didnt try to shoehorn a white dude into it as a main star. In this case, it's accurate to the source material. And to be fair, this is considered a safe bet to studio execs, since the original miniseries has a following. --- --I understand your opinion. I just don't care about it. ~Jedah-- <cite>nocturnal_traveler posted [p:979057044] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>solosnake posted... </cite><quote>Id be far more interested if it didnt try to shoehorn a white dude into it as a main star.</quote>In this case, it's accurate to the source material. And to be fair, this is considered a safe bet to studio execs, since the original miniseries has a following. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ArsGoetia 02/26/24 4:39:57 PM #13:	never read/seen it, but i remember my japanese history professor taking any and every opportunity he could to shit on it for being american historical fantasy nonsense <cite>ArsGoetia posted [p:979057527] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>never read/seen it, but i remember my japanese history professor taking any and every opportunity he could to shit on it for being american historical fantasy nonsense</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metal_Gear_Raxis 02/26/24 8:10:23 PM #14:	solosnake posted... Id be far more interested if it didnt try to shoehorn a white dude into it as a main star. John Blackthorn is the protagonist but it's only partially his story. The core of the story is Yoshi Toranaga's meneuverings. --- As the morning sun rises, my lingering memories fade. I no longer see your silhouette. It's too far gone into the haze. <cite>Metal_Gear_Raxis posted [p:979061056] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>solosnake posted... </cite><quote>Id be far more interested if it didnt try to shoehorn a white dude into it as a main star.</quote>John Blackthorn is the protagonist but it's only partially his story. The core of the story is Yoshi Toranaga's meneuverings. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
boxoto 02/26/24 8:22:03 PM #15:	I heard that the original mini-series is the second most popular mini-series, after Roots (the original Roots). --- Don't you agree, Zach? https://streamable.com/enq4r7 <cite>boxoto posted [p:979061311] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>I heard that the original mini-series is the second most popular mini-series, after Roots (the original Roots). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FL81 02/26/24 11:43:10 PM #16:	ArsGoetia posted... never read/seen it, but i remember my japanese history professor taking any and every opportunity he could to shit on it for being american historical fantasy nonsense I am so glad I had a better Japanese History professor than you did we got to watch it in class --- https://i.imgur.com/TGkNCva.gif https://i.imgur.com/8mWCvA4.gif <cite>FL81 posted [p:979064466] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>ArsGoetia posted... </cite><quote>never read/seen it, but i remember my japanese history professor taking any and every opportunity he could to shit on it for being american historical fantasy nonsense</quote>I am so glad I had a better Japanese History professor than you didwe got to watch it in class </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FortuneCookie 02/27/24 12:17:10 AM #17:	I'm gonna be honest, I'm super surprised that this is getting a remake. The "mighty whitey" trope has been disparaged for decades now. I see both sides of the argument, honestly. It's racist to have a white dude walk into a foreign country and suddenly become Superman. It's also kind of racist to say that you can only ever be a hero to your own people. I guess the truth of the matter is that mainstream audiences still won't watch movies with all-Asian casts, so we need a white samurai to be the lead even in the 2020s. If it's done well, it's done well. At least a white sailor washed ashore in Japan is the premise and they're not inserting him into a preexisting Japanese story. <cite>FortuneCookie posted [p:979064848] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>I'm gonna be honest, I'm super surprised that this is getting a remake.The "mighty whitey" trope has been disparaged for decades now. I see both sides of the argument, honestly. It's racist to have a white dude walk into a foreign country and suddenly become Superman. It's also kind of racist to say that you can only ever be a hero to your own people.I guess the truth of the matter is that mainstream audiences still won't watch movies with all-Asian casts, so we need a white samurai to be the lead even in the 2020s. If it's done well, it's done well. At least a white sailor washed ashore in Japan is the premise and they're not inserting him into a preexisting Japanese story.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
solosnake 02/27/24 12:19:28 AM #18:	FortuneCookie posted... I guess the truth of the matter is that mainstream audiences still won't watch movies with all-Asian casts, so we need a white samurai to be the lead even in the 2020s. --- "We would have no NBA possibly if they got rid of all the flopping." ~ Dwyane Wade <cite>solosnake posted [p:979064870] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>FortuneCookie posted... </cite><quote>I guess the truth of the matter is that mainstream audiences still won't watch movies with all-Asian casts, so we need a white samurai to be the lead even in the 2020s.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
andri_g 02/27/24 3:24:23 AM #19:	John Rhys-Davies' (aka, LOTR's Gimli) performance as Rodrigues in the original mini-series alone make that one worth watching. :) --- '~' <cite>andri_g posted [p:979066432] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>John Rhys-Davies' (aka, LOTR's Gimli) performance as Rodrigues in the original mini-series alone make that one worth watching. :) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BigB0ss13 02/27/24 3:40:09 AM #20:	solosnake posted... Id be far more interested if it didnt try to shoehorn a white dude into it as a main star. I bet they make him get the Japanese girl and make the Japanese men the evil bad guys <cite>BigB0ss13 posted [p:979066508] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>solosnake posted... </cite><quote>Id be far more interested if it didnt try to shoehorn a white dude into it as a main star.</quote>I bet they make him get the Japanese girl and make the Japanese men the evil bad guys</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlueKat 02/27/24 3:43:07 AM #21:	First two episodes are up --- There is no good. There is no evil. There just is. <cite>BlueKat posted [p:979066516] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>First two episodes are up </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sfcalimari 02/27/24 3:59:56 AM #22:	DarthCommodus posted... I'd love a series on someone like Oda Nobunaga or Ii Naomasa. Reading about them, their lives seem fascinating. You do realise there's like 10,000 Japanese historical drama series and movies about the sengoku jidai right? And a lot of video games. --- "Tether even a roasted chicken." - Yamamoto Tsunetomo <cite>sfcalimari posted [p:979066596] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>DarthCommodus posted... </cite><quote>I'd love a series on someone like Oda Nobunaga or Ii Naomasa. Reading about them, their lives seem fascinating.</quote>You do realise there's like 10,000 Japanese historical drama series and movies about the sengoku jidai right? And a lot of video games. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GrandConjuraton 02/27/24 5:13:02 AM #23:	There are many occasions you can make a "white savior" argument for things, but this isn't one of them. Other than bringing a unique perspective to warfare and general naval knowledge, Blackthorn isn't particularly the most vital element of the story; Toranaga is. Plus, the story isn't completely accurate to history, but it's inspired by it. The guy Blackthorn is based off actually did have a part in history. --- Can you wait another day? Wait another week? Wait another month? Wait another year? https://imgur.com/o21DN7r <cite>GrandConjuraton posted [p:979066937] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>There are many occasions you can make a "white savior" argument for things, but this isn't one of them. Other than bringing a unique perspective to warfare and general naval knowledge, Blackthorn isn't particularly the most vital element of the story; Toranaga is.Plus, the story isn't completely accurate to history, but it's inspired by it. The guy Blackthorn is based off actually did have a part in history. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
El_Marsh 02/27/24 6:49:37 AM #24:	ArsGoetia posted... never read/seen it, but i remember my japanese history professor taking any and every opportunity he could to shit on it for being american historical fantasy nonsense It's definitely a fiction, but the two most prominent European characters in the novel (Blackthorn, the main character, and Father Alvito, the primary Portuguese Jesuit) were based on historical figures that spent significant parts of their lives in Japan before/during the establishment of the Tokugawa regime. Hell, a major part of why Europeans have been able to have Japanese translations is because of said priest. Why not mention that instead? --- http://i.imgur.com/0APl48O.gifv <cite>El_Marsh posted [p:979067524] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>ArsGoetia posted... </cite><quote>never read/seen it, but i remember my japanese history professor taking any and every opportunity he could to shit on it for being american historical fantasy nonsense</quote>It's definitely a fiction, but the two most prominent European characters in the novel (Blackthorn, the main character, and Father Alvito, the primary Portuguese Jesuit) were based on historical figures that spent significant parts of their lives in Japan before/during the establishment of the Tokugawa regime. Hell, a major part of why Europeans have been able to have Japanese translations is because of said priest.Why not mention that instead? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssjevot 02/27/24 7:18:20 AM #25:	I watched the first episode last night on Disney Plus (nowhere else to see it in Japan as far as I know). My wife didn't care for it, but I thought it was alright. I will probably watch the rest. The NHK Taiga Drama last year was about Ieyasu so I think she might just be burned out on that period (and also the replacement names and fictionalization made it confusing for her to follow). I am curious if this will be popular in Japan, haven't heard anyone talking about it. --- Favorite Games: BlazBlue: Central Fiction, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, Bayonetta, Bloodborne thats a username you habe - chuckyhacksss <cite>ssjevot posted [p:979067719] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>I watched the first episode last night on Disney Plus (nowhere else to see it in Japan as far as I know). My wife didn't care for it, but I thought it was alright. I will probably watch the rest. The NHK Taiga Drama last year was about Ieyasu so I think she might just be burned out on that period (and also the replacement names and fictionalization made it confusing for her to follow). I am curious if this will be popular in Japan, haven't heard anyone talking about it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssjevot 02/27/24 7:20:13 AM #26:	sfcalimari posted... You do realise there's like 10,000 Japanese historical drama series and movies about the sengoku jidai right? And a lot of video games. Yeah, it's ridiculous how many you have to choose from and the length of many (Taiga dramas are one episode almost every week for a year). --- Favorite Games: BlazBlue: Central Fiction, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, Bayonetta, Bloodborne thats a username you habe - chuckyhacksss <cite>ssjevot posted [p:979067731] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>sfcalimari posted... </cite><quote>You do realise there's like 10,000 Japanese historical drama series and movies about the sengoku jidai right? And a lot of video games.</quote>Yeah, it's ridiculous how many you have to choose from and the length of many (Taiga dramas are one episode almost every week for a year). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
solosnake 02/27/24 2:46:40 PM #27:	Anyone have a link to the historical figure the white guy is based in reality off of? --- "We would have no NBA possibly if they got rid of all the flopping." ~ Dwyane Wade <cite>solosnake posted [p:979075537] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>Anyone have a link to the historical figure the white guy is based in reality off of? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Powdered_Toast 02/27/24 2:51:30 PM #28:	solosnake posted... Anyone have a link to the historical figure the white guy is based in reality off of? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Adams_(pilot) --- Want some rye? 'Course ya do! <cite>Powdered_Toast posted [p:979075630] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>solosnake posted... </cite><quote>Anyone have a link to the historical figure the white guy is based in reality off of?</quote>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Adams_(pilot) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xenogears15 02/27/24 2:52:45 PM #29:	Aka, the Miura Anjin-san. There's still a festival held today in Miura prefecture in his honor. I think he's buried there, too. He fulfilled every weeb's dream before weebs were a thing. --- This rant was brought to you by your local random thinker. I'm as Canadian as Wayne Gretzky crashing a snowmobile into a moose. - JIC X <cite>Xenogears15 posted [p:979075657] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>Aka, the Miura Anjin-san. There's still a festival held today in Miura prefecture in his honor. I think he's buried there, too.He fulfilled every weeb's dream before weebs were a thing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
radical_rhino 02/27/24 2:54:13 PM #30:	FortuneCookie posted... The "mighty whitey" trope has been disparaged for decades now. I see both sides of the argument, honestly. It's racist to have a white dude walk into a foreign country and suddenly become Superman. It's also kind of racist to say that you can only ever be a hero to your own people Jackie Chans US movies are the reverse of this trope. --- .____ [____]===0 . . . . Ye olde beating stick. <cite>radical_rhino posted [p:979075684] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>FortuneCookie posted... </cite><quote>The "mighty whitey" trope has been disparaged for decades now. I see both sides of the argument, honestly. It's racist to have a white dude walk into a foreign country and suddenly become Superman. It's also kind of racist to say that you can only ever be a hero to your own people</quote>Jackie Chans US movies are the reverse of this trope. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FunWithAFryPan 02/27/24 2:56:55 PM #31:	solosnake posted... Id be far more interested if it didnt try to shoehorn a white dude into it as a main star. Thats literally the central premise of the story. If you took that part out it would be a completely different story. --- He who strikes with meaning is killed by meaning. <cite>FunWithAFryPan posted [p:979075736] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>solosnake posted... </cite><quote>Id be far more interested if it didnt try to shoehorn a white dude into it as a main star.</quote>Thats literally the central premise of the story. If you took that part out it would be a completely different story. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Killmonger 02/27/24 8:23:23 PM #32:	How's the first two episodes? --- "I will die of cancer before I let another dude finger my a******." - ZeroX91 <cite>Killmonger posted [p:979081934] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>How's the first two episodes? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 02/27/24 8:25:59 PM #33:	I'm gonna watch soon probably but I heard it's got really good reviews <cite>Zikten posted [p:979081985] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>I'm gonna watch soon probably but I heard it's got really good reviews</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Compsognathus 02/27/24 11:31:04 PM #34:	Just watched the first two episodes. It's really fucking good. --- 1 line break(s), 160 characters allowed <cite>Compsognathus posted [p:979084776] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>Just watched the first two episodes. It's really fucking good. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZevLoveDOOM 02/28/24 5:28:17 PM #35:	never saw the 80s show or read the book but based on the first two episodes which i just saw, it looks promising! and goddamn, ~~i wasnt prepared to see a man being boiled alive!~~ O_o <cite>ZevLoveDOOM posted [p:979098157] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>never saw the 80s show or read the book but based on the first two episodes which i just saw, it looks promising!and goddamn, i wasnt prepared to see a man being boiled alive! O_o</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
boxoto 02/28/24 5:53:55 PM #36:	Shogun ~~deez nutz~~ --- Don't you agree, Zach? https://streamable.com/enq4r7 <cite>boxoto posted [p:979098600] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>Shogundeez nutz </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xenogears15 02/28/24 5:54:48 PM #37:	ZevLoveDOOM posted... never saw the 80s show or read the book but based on the first two episodes which i just saw, it looks promising! and goddamn, ~~i wasnt prepared to see a man being boiled alive!~~ O_o If you like historical fiction, then Shogun is peak that. Give it a shot, it's a great book. EDIT: Taiko and Musashi by Eiji Yoshikawa are also gems, too. For Musashi, there's a manga adaptation by the name of Vagabond, too. --- This rant was brought to you by your local random thinker. I'm as Canadian as Wayne Gretzky crashing a snowmobile into a moose. - JIC X <cite>Xenogears15 posted [p:979098616] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>ZevLoveDOOM posted... </cite><quote>never saw the 80s show or read the book but based on the first two episodes which i just saw, it looks promising!and goddamn, i wasnt prepared to see a man being boiled alive! O_o</quote>If you like historical fiction, then Shogun is peak that. Give it a shot, it's a great book.EDIT: Taiko and Musashi by Eiji Yoshikawa are also gems, too. For Musashi, there's a manga adaptation by the name of Vagabond, too. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CADE_FOSTER 02/28/24 5:56:14 PM #38:	I loved the first 2 episodes really good <cite>CADE_FOSTER posted [p:979098646] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>I loved the first 2 episodes really good</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cuticrusader09 02/28/24 6:07:11 PM #39:	ZevLoveDOOM posted... never saw the 80s show or read the book but based on the first two episodes which i just saw, it looks promising! and goddamn, ~~i wasnt prepared to see a man being boiled alive!~~ O_o ~~The guy having to kill his own baby and then himself hit me harder. The baby didnt deserve that.~~ <cite>Cuticrusader09 posted [p:979098814] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>ZevLoveDOOM posted... </cite><quote>never saw the 80s show or read the book but based on the first two episodes which i just saw, it looks promising!and goddamn, i wasnt prepared to see a man being boiled alive! O_o</quote>The guy having to kill his own baby and then himself hit me harder. The baby didnt deserve that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metal_Gear_Raxis 02/29/24 1:31:25 AM #40:	Introducing Fuji (I can't remember if that was her name in the novel, I assume it might've been) and Mariko early was an interesting creative decision. Having Mariko empathize with Fuji's grief and desire to die ~~will be important later on~~, and Fuji herself ~~ends up being given over to Blackthorn to be his wife later on~~. EDIT: Oh okay her name was Fujiko. Cuticrusader09 posted... ~~The guy having to kill his own baby and then himself hit me harder. The baby didnt deserve that.~~ ~~No, he~~ ~~wanted~~ to kill himself. He instead gets crucified. Toranaga was far crueler to him in the novel, forcing him to crawl to his execution because he'd lost the right to walk as a human does through his thoughtlessness. --- As the morning sun rises, my lingering memories fade. I no longer see your silhouette. It's too far gone into the haze. <cite>Metal_Gear_Raxis posted [p:979105118] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>Introducing Fuji (I can't remember if that was her name in the novel, I assume it might've been) and Mariko early was an interesting creative decision. Having Mariko empathize with Fuji's grief and desire to die will be important later on, and Fuji herself ends up being given over to Blackthorn to be his wife later on.EDIT: Oh okay her name was Fujiko.Cuticrusader09 posted... </cite><quote>The guy having to kill his own baby and then himself hit me harder. The baby didnt deserve that. </quote>No, he wanted to kill himself. He instead gets crucified. Toranaga was far crueler to him in the novel, forcing him to crawl to his execution because he'd lost the right to walk as a human does through his thoughtlessness. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Amakusa 02/29/24 2:14:39 AM #41:	Metal_Gear_Raxis posted... Introducing Fuji (I can't remember if that was her name in the novel, I assume it might've been) and Mariko early was an interesting creative decision. Having Mariko empathize with Fuji's grief and desire to die ~~will be important later on~~, and Fuji herself ~~ends up being given over to Blackthorn to be his wife later on~~. EDIT: Oh okay her name was Fujiko. Yeah I was surprised Fujiko was introduced so early, but they may as well (I mean, when she did finally appear in the book they act like she was always there). It's not the only 'new' scene, either (I mean, they are going 10 episodes, they may as well). --- I will rule the world, and find that truly good cup of coffee. <cite>Amakusa posted [p:979105424] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>Metal_Gear_Raxis posted... </cite><quote>Introducing Fuji (I can't remember if that was her name in the novel, I assume it might've been) and Mariko early was an interesting creative decision. Having Mariko empathize with Fuji's grief and desire to die will be important later on, and Fuji herself ends up being given over to Blackthorn to be his wife later on.EDIT: Oh okay her name was Fujiko.</quote>Yeah I was surprised Fujiko was introduced so early, but they may as well (I mean, when she did finally appear in the book they act like she was always there). It's not the only 'new' scene, either (I mean, they are going 10 episodes, they may as well). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xenogears15 03/01/24 10:27:52 PM #42:	I just saw the first two episodes with the wife and cats. Holy shit, they were great. I cannot wait for Tuesday. --- This rant was brought to you by your local random thinker. I'm as Canadian as Wayne Gretzky crashing a snowmobile into a moose. - JIC X <cite>Xenogears15 posted [p:979140295] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>I just saw the first two episodes with the wife and cats. Holy shit, they were great. I cannot wait for Tuesday. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScazarMeltex 03/03/24 4:30:48 PM #43:	FortuneCookie posted... I'm gonna be honest, I'm super surprised that this is getting a remake. The "mighty whitey" trope has been disparaged for decades now. I see both sides of the argument, honestly. It's racist to have a white dude walk into a foreign country and suddenly become Superman. It's also kind of racist to say that you can only ever be a hero to your own people. I guess the truth of the matter is that mainstream audiences still won't watch movies with all-Asian casts, so we need a white samurai to be the lead even in the 2020s. If it's done well, it's done well. At least a white sailor washed ashore in Japan is the premise and they're not inserting him into a preexisting Japanese story. Tell me you don't understand the source material without telling me you don't understand the source material. White dude isn't superman. He's essentially a reader/viewer insert. As he learns about the culture, so do you. He's also based on a real person involved in the historical events that Shogun fictionalizes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Adams_(pilot) --- Furthermore, The GOP is a Fascist Organization and must be destroyed <cite>ScazarMeltex posted [p:979167483] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>FortuneCookie posted... </cite><quote>I'm gonna be honest, I'm super surprised that this is getting a remake.The "mighty whitey" trope has been disparaged for decades now. I see both sides of the argument, honestly. It's racist to have a white dude walk into a foreign country and suddenly become Superman. It's also kind of racist to say that you can only ever be a hero to your own people.I guess the truth of the matter is that mainstream audiences still won't watch movies with all-Asian casts, so we need a white samurai to be the lead even in the 2020s. If it's done well, it's done well. At least a white sailor washed ashore in Japan is the premise and they're not inserting him into a preexisting Japanese story.</quote>Tell me you don't understand the source material without telling me you don't understand the source material.White dude isn't superman. He's essentially a reader/viewer insert. As he learns about the culture, so do you. He's also based on a real person involved in the historical events that Shogun fictionalizes.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Adams_(pilot) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metal_Gear_Raxis 03/04/24 1:52:08 PM #44:	The scene with the old priest in prison was so much better in the miniseries. He had more emotion and was a much sadder character. In this version he just infodumped and that's it. --- As the morning sun rises, my lingering memories fade. I no longer see your silhouette. It's too far gone into the haze. <cite>Metal_Gear_Raxis posted [p:979182965] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>The scene with the old priest in prison was so much better in the miniseries. He had more emotion and was a much sadder character. In this version he just infodumped and that's it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xenogears15 03/04/24 1:55:15 PM #45:	Metal_Gear_Raxis posted... The scene with the old priest in prison was so much better in the miniseries. He had more emotion and was a much sadder character. In this version he just infodumped and that's it. He was also supposed to teach Blackthorne some Japanese, but it looks like they just casually glossed over that. --- This rant was brought to you by your local random thinker. I'm as Canadian as Wayne Gretzky crashing a snowmobile into a moose. - JIC X <cite>Xenogears15 posted [p:979182998] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>Metal_Gear_Raxis posted... </cite><quote>The scene with the old priest in prison was so much better in the miniseries. He had more emotion and was a much sadder character. In this version he just infodumped and that's it.</quote>He was also supposed to teach Blackthorne some Japanese, but it looks like they just casually glossed over that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
weeb98 03/04/24 2:02:39 PM #46:	solosnake posted... Id be far more interested if it didnt try to shoehorn a white dude into it as a main star. yo wtf? i was actually interested but wtf is this? so its like that one hollywood movie starring johnny depp or whoever that was? <cite>weeb98 posted [p:979183134] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>solosnake posted... </cite><quote>Id be far more interested if it didnt try to shoehorn a white dude into it as a main star.</quote>yo wtf? i was actually interested but wtf is this? so its like that one hollywood movie starring johnny depp or whoever that was?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssb_yunglink2 03/04/24 2:07:51 PM #47:	weeb98 posted... yo wtf? i was actually interested but wtf is this? so its like that one hollywood movie starring johnny depp or whoever that was? The white guy is based on a person that actually exists. --- Hee Ho <cite>ssb_yunglink2 posted [p:979183235] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>weeb98 posted... </cite><quote>yo wtf? i was actually interested but wtf is this? so its like that one hollywood movie starring johnny depp or whoever that was?</quote>The white guy is based on a person that actually exists. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xenogears15 03/04/24 2:13:39 PM #48:	ssb_yunglink2 posted... The white guy is based on a person that actually exists. Furthermore, it's historical fiction...and it's how the original novel was written. In like, what, the 1970s? It was a silly comment from that user. --- This rant was brought to you by your local random thinker. I'm as Canadian as Wayne Gretzky crashing a snowmobile into a moose. - JIC X <cite>Xenogears15 posted [p:979183324] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>ssb_yunglink2 posted... </cite><quote>The white guy is based on a person that actually exists.</quote>Furthermore, it's historical fiction...and it's how the original novel was written. In like, what, the 1970s? It was a silly comment from that user. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 03/04/24 2:24:30 PM #49:	weeb98 posted... yo wtf? i was actually interested but wtf is this? so its like that one hollywood movie starring johnny depp or whoever that was? It's based on an old novel but from what I've seen so l far, I think the white guy mostly is just an observer of events. I dont think it's like The Last Samurai <cite>Zikten posted [p:979183534] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>weeb98 posted... </cite><quote>yo wtf? i was actually interested but wtf is this? so its like that one hollywood movie starring johnny depp or whoever that was?</quote>It's based on an old novel but from what I've seen so l far, I think the white guy mostly is just an observer of events. I dont think it's like The Last Samurai</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metal_Gear_Raxis 03/04/24 2:25:35 PM #50:	Xenogears15 posted... He was also supposed to teach Blackthorne some Japanese, but it looks like they just casually glossed over that. Blackthorne spoke some rudimentary Japanese after that, so I'm guessing that happened offscreen --- As the morning sun rises, my lingering memories fade. I no longer see your silhouette. It's too far gone into the haze. <cite>Metal_Gear_Raxis posted [p:979183552] in The Shogun... [t:80706369]...</cite> <quote>Xenogears15 posted... </cite><quote>He was also supposed to teach Blackthorne some Japanese, but it looks like they just casually glossed over that.</quote>Blackthorne spoke some rudimentary Japanese after that, so I'm guessing that happened offscreen </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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